A perma PA permadom with the /psi secondary could be so tough that it would be almost broken, for most in-game situations.
I say why not. I'd love to have one. Maybe change the recharges of the powers a bit and what not (by that I mean make them a little longer to make sure it isn’t to OP). I mean they did give fire melee to scrappers eventually, and I thought they said early on that they would never do something like that.
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they would have to double the recharge time for PA, the same way they had to for the MM Dark Servant to make it fair, with the perma dom thing n' all. Perma un-hittable pets.....*drools*
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Originally Posted by Scin_Device
Has there been any talk of this for GR? Can't imagine how awesome a permadom perma PA build would be.
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Illusion was one of the few sets the devs said would never be proliferated.
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If anything we'll get a clone of Illusion that does some of the same things, but is appropriately more suited for the AT. Sort of like Pain Domination for corruptors. I would love to get the same version of Illusion that Controller have but I know that's unrealistic. On the other hand you can always roll Hero Controller, customize the power colors and have them Go Rogue!
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Nope. Nor will there ever be.
Illusion was one of the few sets the devs said would never be proliferated. |
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
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Link? I've never heard that.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Nope. Nor will there ever be.
Illusion was one of the few sets the devs said would never be proliferated. |
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Sure would love it. As for it being OP'd on a perma dom have people seen what perma PA /rad trollers can do?
It's the one control set that doesn't fall to pieces when the PToD show up and would put dominators into the ring with the "big" players when it comes to difficult content.
Also you need a heck of a lot more than perma dom to have perma PA. You need more than perma-hasten to have perma PA.
I also don't recall them saying no to the idea of Illusion going redside. I recall them saying it would probably make more sense to be revamped into a MM primary, but they say a lot of things that don't happen or make sense for that matter. They may have said it though.
I absolutely can't wait for doms to get illusion. I've already got a secondary, concept, name, and costume picked out. As far as being overpowered, I wouldn't really think so. Given that there are already some primaries that are capable of holding AVs through the triangles with enough recharge, I hardly think that illusion being able to tank those AVs with PA would be any worse. It would be better against PToD EBs on SOs than other primaries, of course, but frankly that's more of a long-overdue fix than a problem.
Illusion/energy will be so sweet..... I totally can't wait.
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Obviously you were not there for the Dev Q&A NA for the anniversary. Castle said it is a very real possiblity.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Nope. Nor will there ever be.
Illusion was one of the few sets the devs said would never be proliferated. |
I hope they do. Illusion/psi is a dream build!
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Excellent. This is my number one choice of additional powers to the game even before any new sets. So if it comes down the line reasonably soon I'll be pretty happy.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Obviously you were not there for the Dev Q&A NA for the anniversary. Castle said it is a very real possiblity.
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I sure hope not. I like having Illusion be Controller only.
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Originally Posted by Novella
I sure hope not. I like having Illusion be Controller only.
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A recent Dev comment begs to differ. (I shall have to find it.)|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Nope. Nor will there ever be.
Illusion was one of the few sets the devs said would never be proliferated. |
Edit, Found it:
Excerpt from TonyV's transcript of the Anniversary Event:
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Roulette: Any plans still to try and port Illusion to villains? I remember there was a mention once but nothing since. I'd love an illusion MM or Dom Castle: Roulette: If Illusions gets ported (and it likely will, eventually) it would go to Doms, but not MM's. |
I believe that the idea of illusion for masterminds came from an old comment where it was used as an example of something that would need to be heavily reworked if it was ported at all, instead of something that can be ported with minor tweaks like giving Masterminds /Storm. I don't think they ever said there were actual plans to do so.
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That's great news! Let's cross our fingers and hope for sooner rather than later! Come on GR!!
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A recent Dev comment begs to differ. (I shall have to find it.)
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I'd love to make an Ill/Dark Dom. It has been something I've always wanted. But Ill/psi would also do the job.
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I already said that.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
A recent Dev comment begs to differ. (I shall have to find it.)
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It seems to me that the major advantage of Illusion is the phantom army for that aggro mitigation and extra damage(obviously). The major disadvantage for controllers is the lack of an always up AOE containment(and no the long recharge hold doesn't count) so your lvl 41+ AOE damage attacks only do half damage. Since Dominators care nothing about containment they get all the extra damage at no cost. If this set is ported over as is, I'm completely cool with that as I would play one with a quickness, but it may indeed be overpowered.
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Originally Posted by moifus1
It seems to me that the major advantage of Illusion is the phantom army for that aggro mitigation and extra damage(obviously). The major disadvantage for controllers is the lack of an always up AOE containment(and no the long recharge hold doesn't count) so your lvl 41+ AOE damage attacks only do half damage. Since Dominators care nothing about containment they get all the extra damage at no cost. If this set is ported over as is, I'm completely cool with that as I would play one with a quickness, but it may indeed be overpowered.
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Trollers: like you say it has no readily available aoe containment. In a troller world dominated by contained damage this is a pretty major drawback. And yet Ill controllers get by just fine.
PA under high recharge is pretty amazing and is a large part of the draw to such combos as ill/rad and ill/kin. However, PA does not benefit from external buffing so the only way to improve them is via enemy debuffing. Controllers with res debuffing make PA very impressive because of the heal back mechanic of their attacks. Basically once you fully damage slot PA it has a 35% heal back ratio that you can only improve through resistance debuffing. Something like an ill/cold can make the heal back as small as 17% of the damage they put out. Amazing stuff really.
Dominators: won't have many powers that are boosted by the +mag+duration of domination. In fact they'll have 1 less than sets like earth and fire. This could be seen as a setback, but we know Castle reworked doms specifically to rely less on domination than before. I'm of the mind set that illusion is not a weak control set, but rather a weak "lock down" set. Complete lockdown is irrelevant to doms.
Regarding PA and dominators: it is of little doubt that it would be a very strong combo. While active it would allow a dominator to focus almost entirely on damage output. Pretty big advantage. That said, it is significantly more difficult for a dom to reach perma PA than it is for a troller. Not impossible, but much more difficult. Additionally doms have no way of making PA more effective while they are out like trollers do, with the exception of a single target debuff in one patron choice.
I think it goes without saying that anyone who truly believes illusion would be overpowered on a dominator is by default saying it is even moreso on a controller as they can leverage the strengths of the set better than doms.
Conversely, people with concerns that it would be too weak due to little benefit gained through domination need to look up the status on spec terror.
Honestly it should have happend with CoV launch. I dont get the crap about how it wouldnt work with domination and such we already got sets that have location based control powers and they work out just fine. Either way I think its going to be the only way I could get my best friend to come back to CoX. So maybe issue 19?
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He won't play a villainous Ill/* Controller?
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Honestly it should have happend with CoV launch. I dont get the crap about how it wouldnt work with domination and such we already got sets that have location based control powers and they work out just fine. Either way I think its going to be the only way I could get my best friend to come back to CoX. So maybe issue 19?
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He probably would if said Controller had an Assault secondary.
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
He won't play a villainous Ill/* Controller?
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Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
Has there been any talk of this for GR? Can't imagine how awesome a permadom perma PA build would be.