Powerset proliferation: What do you want?
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Posted on: 2010-05-06 22:52 in Scrappers
Strangely, I'm more keen on getting new sets that proliferation. Dual Pistols and Electric Control hold a lot more appeal for me than anything else right now.
Though I suppose Axe and Mace will be fun spread about... they're both quite visceral sets.
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I used to be all about proliferation, but with GR coming out, not so much. If you want a SS scrapper just roll a brute. If you want ninjitsu, roll a stalker. I'd rather see some new powersets come out than have the devs spend time converting the same sets for another at that is pretty similar already to the at that already has the powerset I'm looking to use.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Strangely, I'm more keen on getting new sets that proliferation. Dual Pistols and Electric Control hold a lot more appeal for me than anything else right now.
Though I suppose Axe and Mace will be fun spread about... they're both quite visceral sets. |
Really simple here.. Super Strength for Scrappers, Broadsword for Brutes and Stone Armour for Stalkers.
The last one is serious. I want a huge build, bright green and red Broadsword/Stone Stalker, stomping around while invisible in Granite then assassinating an enemy with a sword bigger than the actual enemy.. Only to placate so none of the other targets know you were there.
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Sometimes all at once.
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Well Cyber_naut, you have to realize that there are others that are not interested in Brute or Stalker mechanics, as well as their AT modifiers.
Powerset proliferation is low hanging fruit; easy to do. However, I don't expect any to be done until after Issue 19.
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
If you want a SS scrapper just roll a brute.
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Farewell is like the end
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And there you'll always be
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Super Strength.
The lack of SS for Scrappers is the only reason I still have a Tank. I don't play him anymore, but I'm holding onto his name until that glorious day when he can be reborn in an AT that can actually kill things.
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The thing is, a scrapper isn't a brute, and as far as a ninjitsu stalker, well, I've tried the at, more than a few times, and quite frankly, nvm, I'll be polite, they don't fit my personality. I do agree with new powersets though, definitely do. But really, with knowing what the AT modifiers are, and only having to maybe change the order of powers or create one new one to take the place of hide, how much work is really involved?
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
I used to be all about proliferation, but with GR coming out, not so much. If you want a SS scrapper just roll a brute. If you want ninjitsu, roll a stalker. I'd rather see some new powersets come out than have the devs spend time converting the same sets for another at that is pretty similar already to the at that already has the powerset I'm looking to use.
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Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
i wouldnt mind having ice melee/ice armor. id also like to see nrg melee.
Dual Pistols. Yeah, yeah, I know, not going to happen, but after playing it and not being able to find any blaster, corruptor or defender combo to make it work, I just wish it was an option.
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Originally Posted by CBeet
Really simple here.. Super Strength for Scrappers, Broadsword for Brutes and Stone Armour for Stalkers.
The last one is serious. I want a huge build, bright green and red Broadsword/Stone Stalker, stomping around while invisible in Granite then assassinating an enemy with a sword bigger than the actual enemy.. Only to placate so none of the other targets know you were there. |
Stalker on Granite
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I'm still waiting on Battle Axe so I can move Brunhilda to being a scrapper.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Well Cyber_naut, you have to realize that there are others that are not interested in Brute or Stalker mechanics, as well as their AT modifiers.
Powerset proliferation is low hanging fruit; easy to do. However, I don't expect any to be done until after Issue 19. |
Hey, I've been begging for SS for scrappers for about 3-4 years now. But with the way the devs seem to be influenced by forum posts, I'm betting scrappers would end up with 'mediocre strength' rather than 'super strength', and it could even end up damaging SS for brutes and tanks, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that one, lol.
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I do not like the way brutes play period I have tried I hate furry
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
I used to be all about proliferation, but with GR coming out, not so much. If you want a SS scrapper just roll a brute. If you want ninjitsu, roll a stalker. I'd rather see some new powersets come out than have the devs spend time converting the same sets for another at that is pretty similar already to the at that already has the powerset I'm looking to use.
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Now now, I won't claim I'm very fond of them either but furries are people too.
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I don't think it would be such a big deal. Obviously if the numbers get changed it's still going to do more than the Tanker version. It has to. That's just what our primary role is, Melee Damage. Some people talk about it like it would have to be reduced into the ground. Makes no sense to me. Another thing I don't see is them making Super Strength stronger than the Tanker version, but less competitive than our other sets because... well, it already is less competitive than other Melee damage sets except in AoE when the player finally gets Foot Stomp.
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Hey, I've been begging for SS for scrappers for about 3-4 years now. But with the way the devs seem to be influenced by forum posts, I'm betting scrappers would end up with 'mediocre strength' rather than 'super strength', and it could even end up damaging SS for brutes and tanks, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that one, lol.
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I don't know about that... they ported Fiery Melee over pretty nicely for Scrappers. I have a lowbie Fire/Fire Scrapper that I play from time to time for kicks, and he's fun. I think the Combustion change to Cremate worked pretty well. Who knows when they'll bring Super Strength over, but I'm sure they could make it work okay (though I rather wonder if it'll happen after or at the same time that they even out Rage).|
Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Hey, I've been begging for SS for scrappers for about 3-4 years now. But with the way the devs seem to be influenced by forum posts, I'm betting scrappers would end up with 'mediocre strength' rather than 'super strength', and it could even end up damaging SS for brutes and tanks, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that one, lol.
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Demobot, it's a shame you don't like your SS Tanker... I do quite well with my Shield/SS, and my Earth/SS was fine for damage before I rerolled him.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Energy Melee on Scrappers... I think the ST focus would work better for Scrappers, really. At least, I don't mind it on my MA/Regen Scrapper. Hmmmm, how many more attack sets remain for Scrappers to get beyond SS and EM, anyway?
For Tankers, I think I'd like to see spines the most, given that they usually have more of an AOE focus and that would fit nicely for them. Though I usually have difficulty finding a good spines concept.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Hmmmm, how many more attack sets remain for Scrappers to get beyond SS and EM, anyway?
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War Mace
Battle Axe
Stone Melee
Energy Melee
Super Strength
This is the stuff that we don't have yet.
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I agree that they are persuaded by forum posts, that's part of the reason why I started this little discussion.|
Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
Hey, I've been begging for SS for scrappers for about 3-4 years now. But with the way the devs seem to be influenced by forum posts, I'm betting scrappers would end up with 'mediocre strength' rather than 'super strength', and it could even end up damaging SS for brutes and tanks, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that one, lol.
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Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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I'd like for Scrappers to get Blaze as well as an updated version of Energy Melee
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Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
First off, I know there wont be any proliferations for awhile, this is just for discussions sake.
I read through the ice melee thread today and it got me to thinking. There are some powersets that I would love to see ported from stalkers and brutes and from scrappers to brutes. WIth that in mind, it occored to me, "I'm sure there are others that have there wishes to." So call this an unofficial poll. State what powerset you would like proliferated from where, and if you want, put the reasons why, even if it is just to be overpowered, I want to hear your reasons. I'll start. Scrappers need: Super Strength, Ninjitsu, Ice Melee and Ice Armor. Ice Armor Spines ftw!! Brutes need: Regen- I seriously want a SS/Reg Brute. Imagine after you have some IO's, runnin 35ish % def, all that regen, unlimited end, click from heals, droppin foot stomp, Ko Blow, finishing a group off with full fury, then dashing off to the next and hitting dull pain. Sounds like fun to me. |
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Since we're scrapping, I want energy melee. I want an energy melee with as obscenely powerful an ET as is appropriate given the hit to survivability from the self damage. I want EM to have the single most powerful ST attack chain in the game with high recharge, and I want that chain to be very difficult to sustain.
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Updated Energy Melee would be cool, but I fear that Kinetic Melee will be the closest we get. While it looks pretty, it probably has terrible DPS/DPA.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
I'd like for Scrappers to get Blaze as well as an updated version of Energy Melee
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Not always though, or scrappers would have SS already...
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Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
I agree that they are persuaded by forum posts, that's part of the reason why I started this little discussion.
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Originally Posted by Hejtmane
I do not like the way brutes play period I have tried I hate furry
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I'll never understand the difficulty some claim with being attacked and attacking, something you do regardless, especially if you are playing a scrapper or brute. But to each their own I guess.
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Oh, I agree that SS doesn't need to be toned down based on the fact it's already, as you say, 'less competitive than other melee sets' (in terms of single target dmg) which is balanced with it's aoe ability, yet you still see posts like the one grey made where he thinks rage needs to be 'toned down'.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
I don't think it would be such a big deal. Obviously if the numbers get changed it's still going to do more than the Tanker version. It has to. That's just what our primary role is, Melee Damage. Some people talk about it like it would have to be reduced into the ground. Makes no sense to me. Another thing I don't see is them making Super Strength stronger than the Tanker version, but less competitive than our other sets because... well, it already is less competitive than other Melee damage sets except in AoE when the player finally gets Foot Stomp.
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I want Axe to come over to Scrappers for the same reason as the above wants War Mace. I hve the whole dwarf characters planned out.
But have to wait.
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