Electric/Shield and Fire/Shield for any budget

_Relikk_ · 05-18-2010 10:29 AM

Cheap Fire/Shield build, here I come!

Thanks!

"Quit cryin'! Do some pushups or something!" --Bernie Mac

Fuzzitron · 05-18-2010 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Relikk_

Cheap Fire/Shield build, here I come!

Thanks!

I hate how my job is getting in the way of me building my toon.

I haven't been this excited about playing since VEATs came out. I'm gonna follow Relikk's example and do the lower cost build (on my alt build) just so I can start playing while I wait for the pieces to come in for the expensive build.

Fun is back!

Nemu_ · 05-18-2010 03:58 PM

Just to add on to the pile of builds. Here's one with aid self:

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.704
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

F'amu 5: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(17), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), T'Death-Dam%(19)
Level 1: Deflection -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(3), LkGmblr-Def(3), HO:Enzym(11)
Level 2: Cremate -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(21), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(21), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), T'Death-Dam%(40)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(5), HO:Enzym(5)
Level 6: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(7), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(7), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(9), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(9), GSFC-Build%(11)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Zephyr-Travel(13), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(13)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(50)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: True Grit -- Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(15), Numna-Heal(33), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(37), Numna-Heal/Rchg(39)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(33), Mrcl-Rcvry+(33)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(39)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(34), P'Shift-End%(34)
Level 22: Stimulant -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(25), HO:Enzym(31)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(27), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Hectmb-Dam%(29)
Level 28: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 30: Aid Self -- IntRdx-I(A), Panac-Heal/EndRedux(31), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(31), Panac-Heal/Rchg(43), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(46), Panac-Heal(50)
Level 32: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(36), Armgdn-Dam%(37)
Level 38: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40), Zephyr-ResKB(40)
Level 41: Char -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(42), Lock-Rchg/Hold(42), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(42), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(43), Lock-%Hold(43)
Level 44: Melt Armor -- ShldBrk-DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(45), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(45), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), ShldBrk-%Dam(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Knock%(50)
Level 49: One with the Shield -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 6: Ninja Run

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The lack of hasten does make it lose a bit of the "super expensive" luster, and yeah, I took a crazy pill and used stealth.

It's mid level exemp friendly, you have all your bonuses by level 30, and you also have access to aid self.

Norty_Morty · 05-19-2010 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemu_

Just to add on to the pile of builds. Here's one with aid self:

*SNIP*

The lack of hasten does make it lose a bit of the "super expensive" luster, and yeah, I took a crazy pill and used stealth.
It's mid level exemp friendly, you have all your bonuses by level 30, and you also have access to aid self.

This thread: condensed info and helpful attitudinal.
Scrappers helping Scrappers across the longitudinal.

I really like the very different ideas floating around here.
Nemu provides a perfect example; Same powersets, same basic goals,
but a very different variant. (lovin' the mid-level performance!)

I've saved all these builds for future reference,
and Nemu, yours I have dubbed: Fire-Shield-Unlimited-AidS

Looking forward to more intelligent discussion.
-Morty

StormDevil · 05-21-2010 01:51 AM

Dear Fury (or whoever wants to chime in),

I recently rerolled a Fire/Elec concept character over to a FM/SD. I was hoping to get some feedback on his planned build. I know it's really expensive, but it's 1) a long-term project, and 2) backed up by about 750M laying around across a few different characters.

My one specific question pertains to DDR; I'm not quite sure how to read the way Mids displays it. Other than that, I'm open to most suggestions; I'd really like to keep the powers that I've selected. I see the inclusion of Fire Sword as being the most logical "sticking point" for some folks, but it lets me maintain an unbroken ST attack string, and also is sort of a set mule for a 6-pack of ToD, which I needed in order to cap Melee.

Anywho, here's Doc Steam:

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Fury Flechette · 05-21-2010 06:55 AM

StormDevil,

I think the build is fine. Mid's shows 47.8% DDR. You can see it by clicking the View Totals button and then seeing the totals for Status.

As to the particulars of the build, I think you'll find the scorch makes a good filler attack and using that with cremate and incinerate will make you chain gap free. It's why a lot of people skip fire sword. It's pretty easy to make the bonus up elsewhere...simply replace one of the attacks where you have Crushing Impact with Touch of Deaths and then move a slot to combat jumping and add some Defense.

You also can get by without manuevers IMO. The 3% defense it provides can easily be made up in a variety of ways (6 slotting Performance Shifter for AoE, slotting up combat jumping a bit, taking laser beam eyes and 4 slotting it with Thunderstrikes, etc.) But these are nitpicks, the build looks fine and very playable.

Fury Flechette · 05-21-2010 08:38 AM

Modified build for Doc Stream.

Same recharge, higher values for recovery. No manuevers, and grant cover for better DDR.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.704
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Doc Steam: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Scorch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(11)
Level 2: Fire Sword -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(13), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Dam%(46)
Level 4: Cremate -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(17)
Level 6: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(21), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 8: True Grit -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(25), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(25), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(27), Numna-Heal/Rchg(27), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(29)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(29)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(31), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(31), Heal-I(31), RgnTis-Regen+(33)
Level 16: Combat Jumping -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(19)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(19), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(21), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(34), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(36), P'Shift-EndMod(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(36)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Mako-Dam%(A), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Mako-Acc/Dmg(37), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(39), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 28: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Build Up -- GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(39), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(40), GSFC-Build%(40), GSFC-ToHit(40), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(42)
Level 32: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-%Dam(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Oblit-Dmg(42), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(43), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 38: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(45), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(45), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 41: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(46), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(48), P'Shift-End%(48), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(50), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(50), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 6: Ninja Run

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StormDevil · 05-21-2010 12:28 PM

Oh, sweet, thanks; very nice to be able to swap out Maneuvers for Grant Cover. I actually made a few little tweaks, but all in all, what I came up with varies very little from your posted build.

Thanks again!

Fiery-Enforcer · 05-28-2010 06:39 PM

So I was using the build that you posted as a starting point. I came up with this and I'm looking for some feedback.

Would there be a better attack chain than Incinerate -> Cremate -> Fire Sword?

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Fire Fist - Expensive: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- T'Death-Dam%:40(A), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(19), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(21), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(21), T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(31)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(3), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(3), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(17), GA-3defTpProc:50(40)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(7), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(7), HO:Enzym(13)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:50(5), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(5), RgnTis-Regen+:30(13), RgnTis-Heal/EndRdx:30(50)
Level 6: Cremate -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(9), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), Mako-Dam%:50(11), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19)
Level 8: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(46)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(15), RechRdx-I:50(33)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-ResKB:50(15), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(43)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(17), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(46)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(34), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), Armgdn-Dam%:50(43)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(34), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg:50(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(37)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(33), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(34), GSFC-Build%:50(40)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(29), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), Hectmb-Dam%:50(31)
Level 28: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(33)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 32: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(37), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-%Dam:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(39), Oblit-Dmg:50(50)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(39)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(A), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(42), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg:30(42), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold:30(42)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Apoc-Dam%:50(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Knock%:50(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 0: Ninja Run

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Fury Flechette · 05-28-2010 07:25 PM

Good discussion about fire melee chains here:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=198144

Endless_Night · 06-02-2010 12:01 PM

I want to make the Cheap Elec/Shield build, but i have a question. Can hover replace combat jumping? Meaning they look like the same amount of +Def in the builder, is that correct? And can I use all the AOEs while hovering?

Thanks

Fury Flechette · 06-02-2010 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endless_Night

I want to make the Cheap Elec/Shield build, but i have a question. Can hover replace combat jumping? Meaning they look like the same amount of +Def in the builder, is that correct? And can I use all the AOEs while hovering?

Thanks

You can't use Lightning Rod while you're hovering. All other AoEs work (Shield Charge, Thunderstrike, Chain Induction, Jacob's Ladder, Fireball (if you have it)).

Otherwise, yes, you can replace hover for combat jumping for the +def. Note however that hover has a higher end/sec endurance cost than combat jumping.

Endless_Night · 06-02-2010 12:27 PM

Do you have any recommendations for how to work Fly into the Cheap build for Elec/SD My concept needs it, but I'd really like to not sacrifice too much for it.

Thanks

Fury Flechette · 06-02-2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endless_Night

Do you have any recommendations for how to work Fly into the Cheap build for Elec/SD My concept needs it, but I'd really like to not sacrifice too much for it.

Thanks

I can make it work but it will cost a bit more in IOs. I purposely avoided the Gaussian's set in the Cheap build because some (not all) of the pieces can be pricey. However, to make fly work, I needed the 2.5% positional defenses you get with 6 slotting it. I also slotted 2 sets of Blessing of the Zephyr. If you avoid the kb piece, it's actually not that expensive. You can pick up the recipes for sub level 30 travel and travel/end for 200k or less sometimes. I put those in hover and flight so you have better in combat manueverability and your travel power is at least somewhat fast.

Note: the build below has soft capped defenses even without hover toggled on. I thought that was important since it would allow you to turn off hover, use LR and still be soft capped.

So, the modified Cheap build isn't as inexpensive as my Cheap build, but still far cheaper than my moderate build.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.704
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Electric-Shield-Cheap-Fly: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mako-Dam%(33)
Level 1: Deflection -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(19), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(50), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(50)
Level 2: Jacobs Ladder -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(3), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(7), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(5), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), RedFtn-EndRdx(42), RedFtn-Def(46)
Level 6: True Grit -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(11), H'zdH-Heal/Rchg(40), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43), H'zdH-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(9), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(9), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(31)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Hover -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(42)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40)
Level 16: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(45), Heal-I(46)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-End%(43)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(39), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 26: Chain Induction -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(27), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 28: Maneuvers -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(36), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(45), P'Shift-EndMod(45), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 47: Weave -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/Rchg(48), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), GftotA-Def(48)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 2: Ninja Run

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King Krimson · 06-02-2010 10:07 PM

I ve had an ele/sd scrapper and tanker hanging around for a bit as concept toons and after reading this thread am excited about the possibilties. Quick question. The builds are all at level 50 - are the powers slots etc in the order they were taken to level or could you show a possible leveling mids.
Thanks a lot!

Fury Flechette · 06-02-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Krimson

I ve had an ele/sd scrapper and tanker hanging around for a bit as concept toons and after reading this thread am excited about the possibilties. Quick question. The builds are all at level 50 - are the powers slots etc in the order they were taken to level or could you show a possible leveling mids.
Thanks a lot!

The builds were put together as builds you'd have at level 50. The slotting for some of them are off.

However, if I were to level one today, I'd follow the power choice progression for the cheap electric/shield build. That one is pretty close, though the slots are off a bit on that too.

Endless_Night · 06-03-2010 12:19 AM

This thread has been a godsend. Thanks for the great info.

Since hover was not actively needed to gain soft cap, i made this build to try to remove my requirement for maneuvers and get combat jumping in there for combat maneuverability.

Please let me know how this looks and if there's any way to tighten it up and squeeze some more bonuses out of it. Or if I've totaly overlooked a hole.
Thanks

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Electric-Shield-Cheap-Fly: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mako-Dam%(33)
Level 1: Deflection -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(19), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(50), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(50)
Level 2: Jacobs Ladder -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(3), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(7), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(42)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(5), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), RedFtn-EndRdx(42), RedFtn-Def(46)
Level 6: True Grit -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(11), H'zdH-Heal/Rchg(40), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43), H'zdH-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(9), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(9), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(31)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Air Superiority -- Acc-I(A)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(45)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-End%(43)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(39), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 26: Chain Induction -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(27), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 28: Combat Jumping -- RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RedFtn-Def(45), RedFtn-EndRdx(46)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(36), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(45), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 47: Weave -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/Rchg(48), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), GftotA-Def(48)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 2: Ninja Run

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Fury Flechette · 06-03-2010 01:28 AM

I moved around a few slots and lowered your endurance consumption to .76 end/sec. Basically, I just swapped the slotting for Weave and Combat Jumping since 6 slotted Red Fortune has much better end redx than 4 slotted Gift of the Ancients. Otherwise the build looks great.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.704
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Electric-Shield-Cheap-Fly: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mako-Dam%(33)
Level 1: Deflection -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(19), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(45), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 2: Jacobs Ladder -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(3), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(7), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(42)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(5), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), RedFtn-EndRdx(42), RedFtn-Def(46)
Level 6: True Grit -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(11), H'zdH-Heal/Rchg(40), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43), H'zdH-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(9), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(9), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(31)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Air Superiority -- Acc-I(A)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(40)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-End%(43)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(39), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 26: Chain Induction -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(27), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 28: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(29), GftotA-Def/Rchg(29), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(36), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(45), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 47: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(48), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def(50), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 2: Ninja Run

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King Krimson · 06-03-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

The builds were put together as builds you'd have at level 50. The slotting for some of them are off.

However, if I were to level one today, I'd follow the power choice progression for the cheap electric/shield build. That one is pretty close, though the slots are off a bit on that too.

Thanks Fury! This is my first attempt at a farmer and the thread seems to be a huge help!

Ranil · 06-06-2010 03:47 AM

Thanks for the great builds Flechette. I'm just getting back into CoX after being away for a while, and stumbled upon this thread while trying to figure out what I was going to roll up after I resubbed. I decided to give Elec/SD a try since I only ever really played 1 scrapper before and he stagnated at level 30 or so. Since I'm starting fresh (for the most part), I'm using your cheap build and more or less following it to the letter as I level (I took chain induction way earlier than you suggest because I don't really need a travel power right now what with having temps, but otherwise it's spot on)

I do, however, have a question. Would it be feasable (and moreover, wise) to replace Manuvers with Hasten? I'm sort of a noob when it comes to IO sets, so I don't really know how important the set you have in Manuvers is. If I can't drop manuvers, can I drop something else, or is Hasten just not that important? I remember back when no build did without it, but I'm not sure if things have changed.

Thanks in advance, and thanks again for the great build advice already given out in this thread. Labor of love, clearly.

Fury Flechette · 06-06-2010 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranil

Thanks for the great builds Flechette. I'm just getting back into CoX after being away for a while, and stumbled upon this thread while trying to figure out what I was going to roll up after I resubbed. I decided to give Elec/SD a try since I only ever really played 1 scrapper before and he stagnated at level 30 or so. Since I'm starting fresh (for the most part), I'm using your cheap build and more or less following it to the letter as I level (I took chain induction way earlier than you suggest because I don't really need a travel power right now what with having temps, but otherwise it's spot on)

I do, however, have a question. Would it be feasable (and moreover, wise) to replace Manuvers with Hasten? I'm sort of a noob when it comes to IO sets, so I don't really know how important the set you have in Manuvers is. If I can't drop manuvers, can I drop something else, or is Hasten just not that important? I remember back when no build did without it, but I'm not sure if things have changed.

Thanks in advance, and thanks again for the great build advice already given out in this thread. Labor of love, clearly.

Yes. Quite viable to drop maneuvers actually. You'll notice that in the more expensive builds, it isn't there. However, it will significantly add cost to your build since you'll have to make up the defenses lost through global bonuses. See the last few builds in this thread where other posters and I dropped manuevers on a cheaper build to see how it was done.

Hasten is a great choice electric/sd since anything that brings your two nukes up faster makes it far more powerful.

Ranil · 06-06-2010 06:22 AM

Awesome, thanks for the advice. I'll probably hit 26 before I go to work tonight, so now I know what to grab!

Santorican · 06-06-2010 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

I moved around a few slots and lowered your endurance consumption to .76 end/sec. Basically, I just swapped the slotting for Weave and Combat Jumping since 6 slotted Red Fortune has much better end redx than 4 slotted Gift of the Ancients. Otherwise the build looks great.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.704
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Electric-Shield-Cheap-Fly: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Mako-Dam%(33)
Level 1: Deflection -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(19), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(45), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 2: Jacobs Ladder -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(3), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(7), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(42)
Level 4: Battle Agility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(5), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), RedFtn-EndRdx(42), RedFtn-Def(46)
Level 6: True Grit -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(11), H'zdH-Heal/Rchg(40), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(43), H'zdH-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(9), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(9), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(31)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Air Superiority -- Acc-I(A)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- H'zdH-Heal(A), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx(40)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-EndMod(21), P'Shift-End%(43)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(39), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 26: Chain Induction -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(27), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 28: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(29), GftotA-Def/Rchg(29), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(36), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(36), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(45), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 47: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(48), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def(50), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 2: Ninja Run

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If you four slot Stamina with Performance Shifter you can increase the recovery by .01end/s lol.

Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

Santorican · 06-06-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer

So I was using the build that you posted as a starting point. I came up with this and I'm looking for some feedback.

Would there be a better attack chain than Incinerate -> Cremate -> Fire Sword?

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You're not at the soft cap for any positions with this build, and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Inc > GFS > FS is the highest dps chain

Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

Fury Flechette · 06-06-2010 01:29 PM

Sant,

Turn on Combat Jumping. Build is soft capped.