Electric/Shield and Fire/Shield for any budget

I have finally got my character copied over to the test server and I can confirm that using both Enzymes and Membranes in one power does increase the defence and DDR.

However it looks like Mids is calculating the %'s incorrectly, and I am not sure why.

For example:

Active Defence slotted with 3 Membranes shows 27.7% DDR in Mids and 27.68% in game, which is close enough. Then when we add a 4th slot for an Enzyme mids starts showing 33.4% DDR, but the game only shows 32.93%.

I have Battle Agility slotted with 1 LoTG 7.5 and 1 LoTG Defender showing 15.9% defence and 19.6% DDR and this is true in mids and in game. But add a third slot for an Enzyme and mids starts showing 17.8% defence and 24.2% DDR, but although the defence shows as 17.8% in game the DDR only shows 21.9%.

Can anyone educate me as to why? I might have to rework my build slightly if mids is showing the DDR wrongly

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

I'm probably being super dense here, but it looks like using a Steadfast Protection Res/+3%Def Unique somewhere in any of the builds could easily bring the price down, without compromising on slot layout or good set bonus?

For example, looking at the Tough slotting in your very expensive build for Elec Shield, slotting this in there would loose a lil bit of AOE Def, but yield a higher overall value? obviously not affecting the price too much, but maybe allowing us cheaper players to get to soft caps a lil bit more affordably, since that particular proc is fairly easy to comeby.

I'm no good in mids though, and only seem to be able to build with one set bonus in mind So maybe i'm just not being efficient enough!

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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl [*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*

I think that unique is already in all the builds in Deflection iirc. Aside from maybe the cheap builds which I never looked at.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

Hey Fury, you think it's possible to make a softcap fire/sd/blaze including GFS? With no purples/PVPs if you can do it. Thanks!

I don't know how to list my build on here in mids but here's my build the long way. lol

Havoc Punch- 4 Kinetic Combat
Jacobs Ladder- 5 Fortunata Hypnosis
BU- 2 Adjusted Targeting
Thunder Strike- 5 Armageddon
Chain Induction- 5 Hecatomb
Lightning Rod- 6 Oblits


Deflection-2 -Lotg(1 def, 1 7.5 rech), 2 GotA, 2 Imperv Armors
True Grit- 1 Steadfast Unique, 3 Numina (heal, proc, heal/end), 2 Imperv Armors
Active Def- 2 -rech
AAO- 1- end red
Phalanx Fighting- 2 -Lotg(1 def, 1 7.5 rech)
Shield Charge- 6- Oblits
Battle Agilty- 2-Lotg (def, 7.5rech, def/end)

Hurdle-1-jump
Health- 2 Miracles (heal, proc) 1 Regen Tissue proc
Stamina- 6 Perf Shifter

Hasten-3 rech

Kick
Tough- 6 Titanium Coating
Weave-5 Red Fortune

Stealth- 2 LotG (1 def, 1 7.5)

Char-
Melt Armor- 4 Undermined Def.
Fireball- 5 Posi's

Regen-1.05%
Recov-3.35%
Acc.- 1.72
Damage- 14.5%
Rech-81.25% w/o hasten

Resist:
S&L- 33%
Fire/Cold- 27%

Defense:
Ranged-34%
Melee- 46.4%
AoE-37%

I mainly wanted to cap melee since i'm mainly in melee range as a scrapper. Im sure they're bbuilds better than mine, but dang, he rocks. lol. It was pretty cheap too since i farm alot, i had most of the recipes in a bin. lol. I only spent a few million on him.

Thanks a lot Fury, I'll take a look

I have a farmer/general play build planned for my 28 (or 30? been toying with the Demon Summoning thing) fm/sd.

85% rech, capped melee/ranged, aoe 34.5%, 3.07 recovery and 212% regen (1790 hp before accos), but Tough is slotted with only a Steadfast unique. Didn't worry about attack chains because she has FS, Cremate, Incinerate and GFS, besides Fire Blast. Maybe losing some rech would be the way to make it better. I just love the build I made because Hasten only has an 8 sec downtime, but I'll see what I can get from your build to improve mine

It seems that you should pick only 5 powers from your primary to make a capped m/r/aoe fm/sd, or else you will be starving for slots, and I took 6 (Cremate).

My GFS has the same slotting but th build uses mostly lvl 35 IOs to be exemplar friendly.

Since this topic is rolling I won't create a new one, but I'm looking for a blue farmer that's very very easy to play (I'm lazy when farming), and reasonably effective on a modest budget (I can earn cash now, but it's a bit slower than I'd like). I have an Elec/SD Brute that works beautifully without any investment at all (use Darkest Night to cap). I expect to farm demons. Would Elec/SD (probably the mid-range build above) be the best choice blue as well? Once I got capped it seems even easier then my Brute, since demons don't have -def, and Scrapper LR/SC do more damage, right?

Ryuuk I decided to level a fm/sd but I had a planned elec/sd farmer. Not very suitable for sub-level 45 play, but 95% rech (3 secs off permahasten) with no pups/pvps and 2 panic buttons (L. Clap and Owts). It's not aoe capped but I think it could be a good farmer and relatively inexpensive.

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That's a nice-looking build, especially the recharge. I'm trying to figure a way to buff the aoe def some, hopefully without losing much or any recharge but I'm realistic. One thing which might sound a little peculiar is that I could not really care less about any attacks other than LR and SC. If you have any experience with the set, do you know if LR/SC+Fireball is enough to kill even(50) minions and lts? Normally on my Brute I use BU and then both LR and SC for each group, but it'd be nice if I could make it go even faster on this guy. Thanks!

Sorry, I only have a 50 elm/stone Brute so I can't give a good answer. But i think that with BU+LR+SC you can kill even cons. Even higher cons I think, since you can spam Fireblast and Thundestrike, and if you don't wanna wait for SC+LR for the next group you can just use T. Strike and Fireball.

I know my ELM/Stoner did pretty well with BU+LR+Thundestrike and Gloom to finish off mobs quickly in ITFs and farms (then I'd use C. Brawl, C. Induction and Gloom on bosses - no option to turn bosses off at the time on farms), he's only partially Io'ed because I got sick of him but I always had someone speedboosting me.

An elec/shield scrap has more Aoe (SC, Fireball... My Brute didn't have room for Dark Obliteration) and higher damage with the telenukes, not to mention Fire Blast and Fireball do better damage than most ST/AoE blasts for Brutes (except gloom, but it recharges slower than fire blast).

I think for farming-only you can leave AoE as it is... This build I posted is not exactly good for other content because I wanted to keep it affordable while having near permahasten recharge.

May I ask...in a rough range of course, what the cheap fire build costs?

100M? I might have half that between all 27 of my characters on Virtue.

I suppose if someone can buy F-117s on a regular basis, Ferraris seem eminently affordable.