Electric/Shield and Fire/Shield for any budget

So, how do we request a sticky?
Nice work, Fury. These will be a great baseline, and it's awesome you took the time to put them together. I always knew I could trust Hikaru.

Decent builds, I'm so gutted i never got my pvp io'd fm/sd/body in-game as it was damn insane.

With the BoTZ nerf it means i'll have too drop a Glad strike set an make a few nerfs allround

As much as fireball looks tasty, i can't get my head around just how end heavy it makes SD builds.

Do you currently run one of those builds Fury?

The very expensive fire/shield build is close to my live build. It's probably the build I will respec into because it actually has better recovery than what I currently have. I don't have significant end problems when using fire ball, even somewhat spamming it.

I'm actually pretty pleased with how some of these builds turned out. The cheap builds are by no means weak, and you can definitely see steady improvement in each build as you invest more inf. I think the two very expensive builds stand up well against almost anythng else I've ever seen in terms of builds. The very expensive electric/shield is soft capped, has great recovery, decent regen and a spectacular +102.5% recharge. The fire/shield only has +90% recharge but has high DDR and has high values in both regen and recovery.

I'd say the weakest builds in the line up may be the two middle fire/shield builds, though part of that may be that I purposely took out recharge from those builds to save cost and to up numbers for recovery/regen. For example, I could get the expensive fire/shield build to 80% recharge fairly easily but it would mean putting Obliteration into Fire Sword Circle. Obliteration is a great set, but it's poor choice in FSC due to the fact that it has such poor endurance reduction values, and FSC gets spawned a lot. The moderate fire/shield build has sort of the same issues...I put in Gift of the Ancients and bypassed slotting Luck of the Gambler to get recovery numbers in control.

EDIT: Clarifying that Very Expensive Fire/Shield does *NOT* have capped DDR, but DDR at around 72%.

Fury's builds rock! Great work

Dammit Fury! That very expensive fire/shield build is better than mine. Regen and recovery are comparable to what I have and I'm using body mastery. Now, because of your awesomeness in Mid's, I'm gonna have to redo some stuff on my build. It's gonna be even better now!!! Thanks.

Just noticed you didn't take Grant Cover in that build. Don't you need that to cap your DDR?

Awesome builds! I'm defniately using the Expensive Elec/Shield build.. Got 800 Mill saved for the extra set and HO's that I'll need to get. Looks awesome though!

I am using the very expensive Elec/Shield build as a base for my new build, and trying you cap DDR without Grant Cover, however I noticed on your build that as soon as you click from PvP mode onto PvE mode your DDR drops to 49.5%? That won't be compensated for by double stacking AD, so am I missing something?

Either way in my own build I noticed that using 2 Enzymes and 2 Membrames in AD bypasses the defence cap and lets me reach 95% DDR, but does this actually work in game?

For me the DDR cap is highly important, because I pretty much tank an ITF every day.

Edit: If it does work in game is it considered an exploit? It seems to me like it would work in every defence power, which would be crazy ..

Edit 2: I noticed Fury's post seems to say the above is true. I am going to the test server to find out.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

Looks like I wrong, Princess Darkstar. My fire/shield with 2 Membranes in Active Defense and 1 Enzyme in Battle Agility has around 72% DDR. That's pretty good, but it isn't capped. I suspect that you wanted to cap, without using Grant Cover, you'll have to add a third Membrane in Active Defense.

So the Very Expensive Fire/Shield build is *NOT* capped in DDR, but still has around 72% which is far from shabby. I'd change that in my OP but it looks like the two original posts are so large that I get SQL errors when I change them.

As for your question about Enzymes...yeah, it's a loophole in HOs. I'm not sure if they're an outright exploit because it's something the devs have been aware of for quite some time. So while it's not working as intended, I don't think it's high on the priority list of fixes, if it will even ever be fixed. It's probably in the same category as spines animations not following most of the rules and powers like Rain of Arrows and Blizzard not following AT modifiers.

Minor corrections on builds:

In the Very Expensive Electric/Shield and Expensive Electric/Shield builds, you should be slotting Membranes in Active Defense not Enzymes.

Corrected builds below:

Expensive Electric/Shield

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Electric-Shield-Expensive: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Havoc Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(7), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(9)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(11), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(11)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(13), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Numna-Heal(21), Numna-Heal/Rchg(21), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(23)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(13)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(9), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(15), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(17), FrcFbk-Rechg%(19)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(42)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(40), RgnTis-Regen+(46)
Level 18: Chain Induction -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dam%(19), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(23), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(25), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(25), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(29), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(29), P'Shift-End%(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(43), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(43)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-Build%(27), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(31), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(31), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(33), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(34)
Level 28: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 30: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(33), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(33), Aegis-ResDam(34), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Oblit-%Dam(37)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-%Dam(39)
Level 38: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def(40), LkGmblr-Rchg+(40)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(42), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(42), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(43)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(45), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Apoc-Dam%(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Knock%(50)
Level 49: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run

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Well lets just say after the amount I will be spending fixing my build after the BoTZ nerf I hope the HO thing is never fixed

Also thank you Fury for the builds (Which were great templates) and the answers.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

Awesome. Ty for the builds. The expensive fire/shield build looks almost exactly like the mids I've made while waiting for my freespec. Gave me a few ideas to save 7.5% of the rech I lost from my live build. Only going to be like a 100mil respec. Thank you again

Wow...ok. Thanks for the clarification Fury! I was scared silly that I had dozens of "wasted" IO's in health. I had no idea there was even a bug and I don't crunch numbers close enough to have ever noticed a difference I think.

Interesting, and thanks for the correction. I've always assumed that the Miracle and Regen Tissue procs were in that list covered by the patch. In any case, we've now been warned.