No Poison for Defenders, Corruptors, and Controllers?
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Posted on: 2010-04-05 21:48 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Because.
Most likely because they want to change it to be less villainous and more heroic before proliferating it to any of the Hero ATs (ala how Empathy was turned into Pain Domination).
Also because they need to make at least 1 entirely new power for it to not be broken for any other AT.
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Doesn't help my poor, Unmade, alien bug armada soldier Corruptor |
Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
Most likely because they want to change it to be less villainous and more heroic before proliferating it to any of the Hero ATs (ala how Empathy was turned into Pain Domination).
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, and TRAPS sounds kinda nefarious, to me.Quote:
| Also because they need to make at least 1 entirely new power for it to not be broken for any other AT. |
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Rush is probably talking about the tier 9 power in /Poison, Noxious Gas, which wouldn't work on other ATs because you use it by 'infecting' one of your henchmen with it, and the affected henchman applies the debuffs and hold on the enemies.|
Originally Posted by Premonitions
really? I'd like to hear more about this.
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Kinda like MM traps, which has Detonator (also cast on one of your henchmen) while Corr and Defender's Traps get Time Bomb.
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Noxious Gas, the tier 9, is currently only castable on an MM's henchmen; it would have to be redesigned for other ATs.|
Originally Posted by Premonitions
Doesn't help my poor, Unmade, alien bug armada soldier Corruptor
, and TRAPS sounds kinda nefarious, to me.really? I'd like to hear more about this. |
Also, how do Traps carry an evil connotation? Hunters, militaries, and even modern security firms use traps in the real world... If you are going to argue that traps are nefarious, you may as well call any weapon based set the same.
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Too bad?|
Originally Posted by Premonitions
Doesn't help my poor, Unmade, alien bug armada soldier Corruptor
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Sorry. Not much else can be said about that. Try thinking up something else?
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I WOULD, if I was going by the "sounds heroic/villainous" argument, just pointing out the silliness of it, there's something to be said for "Empathy" as it is explicitly a trait of kindness and concern for others, but "Poision"? nah, it sounds like what it is, chemicals designed to harm bad guys. | Also, how do Traps carry an evil connotation? Hunters, militaries, and even modern security firms use traps in the real world... If you are going to argue that traps are nefarious, you may as well call any weapon based set the same. |
Attacking people with Radiation sounds just as evil as attacking them with poison, and is in fact, essentially the same thing.
I doubt it's a matter of the power sounding more or less "Evil" and more the issue of the tier 9 as stated.
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| Sorry. Not much else can be said about that. Try thinking up something else? |
a: doesn't hold much water
b: doesn't directly apply to Corrs.
Got my answer anyhow, any speculation about it possibly getting proliferated in the future?
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You can always make a Dark Miasma character and color it green. Call the terrorize effect 'the shakes' after poisoning them
Tar patch = corrosive substance
Petrifying Gaze = Paralyzing dart
Twilight Grasp = Vaccine (you poison the enemy and extract a vaccine for you and allies)
etc. etc.
While I feel where you're coming from with the Poison set, I have no sympathy. I have a dragon ninja who has poison for blood. He needs claw attacks and poison effects. I made him as an ally in my AE arc and he works pretty nice.
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Well, yeah, Obviously my alien Bug armada can be all kinds of perfect in their larval, Nymph, and Adult stages in AE.
I was just wondering if there was some major problem that prevented this set from being proliferated, guess nobody cares all that much about Poison, whatreyagonnado?
/e shrug
Definitely going with Radiation Emission though, smokey visuals and none of the darkety-darkness.
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Originally Posted by Premonitions
Well that's not nice at all, it's certainly "internet" but it's not nice :P
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Well, yeah, thinking about going Fire/ Radiation, considering my own point, just saying the "evil sounding power name" argument a: doesn't hold much water b: doesn't directly apply to Corrs. |
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| Got my answer anyhow, any speculation about it possibly getting proliferated in the future? |
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Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
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Any ideas of a different potential Tier 9 for Corrupters, Defenders, And Controllers?
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I care about Poison. But I also care about an AT with melee attacks + support sets. We can't always get what we want.|
Originally Posted by Premonitions
Well, yeah, Obviously my alien Bug armada can be all kinds of perfect in their larval, Nymph, and Adult stages in AE.
I was just wondering if there was some major problem that prevented this set from being proliferated, guess nobody cares all that much about Poison, whatreyagonnado? /e shrug |
And the visuals aren't really that smokey, especially if you color it right. And who's to say poisons can't be gas *points to Poison Gas Arrow*
The fear skulls when you give the foes 'the shakes' is almost too perfect though.
A Noxious Gas that could be cast on team mates would be pretty boss.
I basically Made this thread to find out the potential causes for Poison's MM exclusivity, to decide whether or not I should keep the concept because it wasn't completely ridiculous to imagine it getting proliferated in the future, but work around it with another set and proper coloring, or just take it in a different direction entirely.
Based on what I've been told, I can go with my concept as-is and just use whatever power I choose, colored how I want. And maybe there's a good chance that Poision get's proliferated Soontm So it's all groovy.
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I'm pretty sure it'll be proliferated eventually.
Seriously, I've been waiting for Ice melee to be proliferated to Stalkers since we got Elec melee. And the worst of it is, they don't even need to make a new power for it, just take out Ice slick and add in an Assassin's Strike that uses BS's Assassin's Slash animation or MA's Fist of Annihilation animation.
If anything, it should come to corruptors and you can side switch. It's just a matter of time.
I'm MAKING a corruptor... :P
Anyways, update: I'm really likeing these dark palettes, and these bright palettes with dark greens on Radiation Emission.
This'll definitely work, It'll be kinda wierd since the idea of my war-like character with these buffs and heals is hilarious since I wanted him to have this exchange with someone at some point:
Other Villain: So, these chemicals of yours are pretty cool, can you use them to heal?
Bug: Huh?
Other Villain: Can you make chemicals to heal?
Bug: Chemicals that do what?
OV: heal!
B: What the heck is that?
OV: HEAL!
B: What is that?
OV: it's what you do to your teamates!
B: is that, like.. eat?
OV: NO!
B: I don't think my people have that word
OV: Then what do you do when your comrades fall in battle or need help?
B: we eat them... while we're laughing at them
OV: o_O
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I always thought the issue was that Poison is already the MM-balanced equivalent of Radiation Emission, and thus there is nothing to proliferate.
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not really
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Originally Posted by Col_Blitzkrieger
I always thought the issue was that Poison is already the MM-balanced equivalent of Radiation Emission, and thus there is nothing to proliferate.
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Eh, i can accually kind of see where your going with that, but if the dev's had that in mind or not, i can't say. |
Originally Posted by Col_Blitzkrieger
I always thought the issue was that Poison is already the MM-balanced equivalent of Radiation Emission, and thus there is nothing to proliferate.
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Either way, i'm pretty positive it's get prolifirated eventually. The 9th tier fix would be EASY, make it a teammate instead of a henchmen. And frankly, if the DO that i'll be first in line begging them to change it on MM's... oh how i'd love to use it on a brute instead of my commando... having to order him into melee, while not overly complacated or anything takes time to setup... got to call him over, hit him with it, send him in.. be so much easier just to spray the brute.
That's for Corruptors anyways. I'd expect some changes for heros a bit, even if only in name. (Chemistry? Alchmey?) But it'll happen eventually. I wholely expect all power sets to be prolifreated at some point. (that make since for said at's of course.) I just don't know how soon or when.
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I'd like to see Poisons available to Controllers, Corruptors and Defenders. To be honest, the "evil set" argument doesn't really hold any water now we'll be able to make villains who can empathise and heroes who can exploit pain.
If you ask me, the simplest and best thing to do with the Poison tier 9 - Noxious Gas - is to make it PBAoE on self.
Essentially it would be like Choking Cloud but with the power of a rad debuff aura.
Okay, so ... problem solved! Now let's get this proliferated already!!!
<Emits noxious gas till Poison is proliferated.>
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True enough. Oddly enough i keep forgeting about that. I'm more excited at the idea of this end game Incarnate system then i am side switching. It's kind of Meh to me. It'll be cool to an extent, don't get me wrong. But, I play what i want to play ATM anyways. And all the current content is a bit stale on both sides for me. So, the new Incarnet system and to a lesser extent, the new 1-20 content are the big draw for me. |
Originally Posted by Snowzone
I'd like to see Poisons available to Controllers, Corruptors and Defenders. To be honest, the "evil set" argument doesn't really hold any water now we'll be able to make villains who can empathise and heroes who can exploit pain.
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Oh, ok, tread jack over. Sorry. LOL
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I'm not a huge fan of Poison on teams, but I'd love to solo a Poison Defender.
For those curious, Poison in the hands of Defenders would look like this. Enjoy!
Alkaloid
Heal 176.698
Res(Toxic) 20%
Envenom
DefDebuff -37.5%
ResDebuff -40%
Res(Heal) +20%
RegenDebuff -50%
Weaken
DmgDebuff -37.5%
ToHitDebuff -18.75%
SpecialDebuff -74.5%
Neurotoxic Breath
SpeedDebuff -81.25%
RechDebuff -81.25%
Hold(Mag2) 4.47s
Elixir of Life
Revive
RecBuff +200%
RechBuff +100%
DmgBuff +50%
ToHitBuff +37.5%
Res(Toxic) +20%
DmgDebuff -50%
ToHitDebuff -37.5%
Antidote
Prot(Mez) -12.99
Res(Sleep) +216.5%
Res(Cold) +10%
Res(Slow) +50%
Res(RechDebuff) +50%
Res(Toxic) +20%
Paralytic Poison
Hold(Mag3) 11.92s
This one is just a guess that they won't change Poison Trap
Poison Trap
Sleep(Mag3) 11.92s
Hold(Mag3) 4s
EndDrain -10
And I don't know what they'll do with Noxious Gas, so not even going to guess for that one.
Maybe try Trick Arrow? There's one "poison" power in there.
Plus, the multiple resist debuff powers paired with fire is just plain evil.
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I, for one, would vote for simply changing the set's name to "Chemistry" and porting it to any and all ATs after sufficient changes to the T9. 3 out of the 9 powers can't be said to Poisons anyway.
Why? Whyyyyy? I had an awesome concept that NEEDS Fire Blast/ Poison, are there SEVERE balance issues with the set on other ATS, or is it just not that high in demand? Whyy devs, Whyyy?
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