Why is Going Rogue Being Doled Out Piecemeal?
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Posted on: 2010-03-31 07:14 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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And after that, finding out that Tyrant is a good guy and Golden Girl's been unknowingly working for the side of Villainy the whole time, in the world's biggest plot twist? That's PRICELESS.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Thrashing Tyrant and his jackbooted thugs accross four new shiny zones is well worth 30 bucks
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Edited: None of my 50s will be going Rogue. I do have plans for an "alternate universe" version of my main MA/Regen, one who let her rage and insanity take control, rather than get focused into something more productive, so she'll be an evil Scrapper starting at level 1 (or 20, whatever). Everyone else is either starting from the ground or is nowhere near 50. I have a level-25ish Bane Spider who'll go heroic if possible, she's the highest level.
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GR will be crammed full of content to play through. That'll certainly take some time.|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
When CoH and CoV was released, the endgame was added later, sure. But when GR comes out, we aren't leveling to 40 while we wait. Most people have 50s already, so unless that first incarnate level will take months to achieve, then there is a difference.
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I suppose if someone pre-purchased GR solely for the end-game system, they might be a bit disappointed..
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Actually when it was announced for GR, it was ALSO said that if they can get it out earlier than GR, they would.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
I was just about to make this same comment.
I wasn't AT Herocon, but I did listen to all the podcasts and clearly remember this caveat. |
UltraMode was never promised as a Going Rogue exclusive.
Rubberlad, you have no legs upon which to stand for complaining about UltraMode being a part of Issue 17 being a "bait and switch."
Your memory of events does not stand up to the facts.
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I'm at the office ninja-posting so I can't really delve into looking for this but I could have sworn that when Ultra-Mode was originally packaged with the Going Rogue info, there was a qualifier that said Ultra-Mode would come when it was ready. I think someone along the way even said it might come with a patch before I17 or between I17 and GR. But maybe I'm mis-remembering.
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Originally Posted by Rubberlad
You're spinning the facts a bit, my dear.
Before Issue 17 was announced, Ultra mode was promised as a major feature of the retail expansion pack, Going Rogue. When Issue 17 was announced, that was no longer the case. So off the retail pack came Ultra Mode and in its place comes the first level of the Incarnate system (with the other 9 levels to come at a late date). |
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There was - they said it at Hero Con on the same day that ultra mode was offically shown for the first time.
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Originally Posted by Attache
I'm at the office ninja-posting so I can't really delve into looking for this but I could have sworn that when Ultra-Mode was originally packaged with the Going Rogue info, there was a qualifier that said Ultra-Mode would come when it was ready.
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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
Rubberlad, you have no legs upon which to stand for complaining about UltraMode being a part of Issue 17 being a "bait and switch."
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Well, I guess the impossible would be priceless - because it'd be so rare |
Originally Posted by Primal
And after that, finding out that Tyrant is a good guy and Golden Girl's been unknowingly working for the side of Villainy the whole time, in the world's biggest plot twist? That's PRICELESS.
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14 level 50s|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, we could always turn the thread into a mini poll - people can post how many 50s they have, and then how many of them they're planning to either switch over fully, or move into Vigilante/Rogue status.
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10 Blue
4 Red
1 Hero 50 may waver a touch
3 of the redsiders will come partway at least.
Most of my planned Vigilante/Rogues are not at 50.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If the Incarnate system was a dessert, I think it'd be chocolate and mint ice cream, with plenty of wafers and an option of hot vanilla sauce.
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Just... might I suggest to other users to not have the additional wafer-thin mint, no matter how much the waiter suggests it...
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Just... might I suggest to other users to not have the additional wafer-thin mint, no matter how much the waiter suggests it...
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I was wrong.
I regret posting this question and any follow-up replies, and I apologize for wasting everyone's valuable time with misinformation.
Sorry.
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Originally Posted by Rubberlad
I was wrong.
I regret posting this question and any follow-up replies, and I apologize for wasting everyone's valuable time with misinformation. Sorry. |
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Ooh... |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, we could always turn the thread into a mini poll - people can post how many 50s they have, and then how many of them they're planning to either switch over fully, or move into Vigilante/Rogue status.
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Um. I've lost track. At least 13 (one of each AT/EAT except Corruptors, and that one's close.) Two controllers, two tanks, two defenders... Let's just say "a bunch." Only one planned to switch, either partially or fully, and that's my MA/Regen Stalker.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Ooh...
Um. I've lost track. At least 13 (one of each AT/EAT except Corruptors, and that one's close.) Two controllers, two tanks, two defenders... Let's just say "a bunch." Only one planned to switch, either partially or fully, and that's my MA/Regen Stalker. |
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Of the 50s, probably not, actually. Doesn't "fit" them very well. At most, they'd be vigilante - and that's more likely the original (but lower level) version of one of my PBs who lives over on Virtue.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm sure you'll have one blue side who'll want to dip his little toes in the gray water, just to see what it's like
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Vigilante status is still dipping your little toes into gray waters |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Of the 50s, probably not, actually. Doesn't "fit" them very well. At most, they'd be vigilante - and that's more likely the original (but lower level) version of one of my PBs who lives over on Virtue.
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@Golden Girl
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Thus the "at most." :P And tentacles!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Vigilante status is still dipping your little toes into gray waters
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So, you knew about the Incarnate system when they first announced Going Rogue huh? Not anywhere before the recent announcement did they say anything about getting the full Incarnate system in Going Rogue.|
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
But you think its okay if they take a consumer's money for preorders in March, with the promise of having full access to the product in July, and THEN announce after taking that money that the last piece of the product won't be available until MUCH later (at least 4th quarter 2010 or first quarter 2011).
I'm so glad you feel they're entitled to my money 9 months before they actually deliver the whole product. |
You're complaining about getting content early and you're complaining about getting content later. Seriously, what is the problem? You do know that this is a MMO and content updates are a regular thing? What's the difference in getting all of the content spread out like this or having to wait until later this year for everything.
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Tentacles count as toes if you use them to walk.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Thus the "at most." :P And tentacles!
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He's also posted this:|
Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
So, you knew about the Incarnate system when they first announced Going Rogue huh? Not anywhere before the recent announcement did they say anything about getting the full Incarnate system in Going Rogue.
You're complaining about getting content early and you're complaining about getting content later. Seriously, what is the problem? You do know that this is a MMO and content updates are a regular thing? What's the difference in getting all of the content spread out like this or having to wait until later this year for everything. |
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I was wrong. I regret posting this question and any follow-up replies, and I apologize for wasting everyone's valuable time with misinformation. Sorry. |
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Let me reiterate:|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Tentacles count as toes if you use them to walk.
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Tentacles!
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'Cause a lot of people have been waiting ages for one or both of those sets and by making them available NOW they get a large number of sales before the expansion is even out.| - Buy in early to get early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning |
And I wanted my Pistols NOW!
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Full price for the regular version of GR. There's also going to be a 'collectors edition' version that's more expensive, with extra goodies. The collector's edition of GR is the main reason I didn't prepurchase |
Originally Posted by Lucky
Im pretty sure $29.99 is the full price
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No matter how much we may like NcSoft or Paragon this is a business, and their here to make money( this does not make them evil), additionally more revenue now means they may be able to fit more stuff in sooner rather than latter.|
Originally Posted by Rubberlad
Sorry but the question's gotta be asked. The way things are looking now players have to:
- Buy in early to get early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning - Wait until July and get access to four zones, 7 new costume sets, 2 additional powesets (parts of which we've previously seen in-game for NPCs), and level one access to the new incarnate system - Wait until 4th quarter 2010 to get the remaining 9 levels and the new endgame system and perhaps another high-level zone (but only if we buy GR 3 months earlier). And in the meanwhile, Ultra mode which was flagged for retail is now free. And in its place comes an awful lot of last minute bait and switch improvements. My question is: why? Why not just package it together in one retail expansion and let players enjoy? The way its all piecemealed out now, players might as well wait until 4th quarter to get Going Rogue and enjoy it all in one go rather then buying in now and waiting 9 months to get the full product? This just seems like a really weird business model somehow... What's the logic behind it again? |
Also keep in mind this is a work in progress, they could wait until they've finished everything, but would have to wait until 4th Q to get everything. If I had to guess, GR is in in-house beta right now or close to it, and as soon as the next issue goes live, it will go in closed beta with them maybe trying to fit a few more things, In terms of the 4th Q content, I'd bet their beyond the planning stages, and maybe a 1/3 of the work that needs to be done for it at this point, if that far.
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