Buying common salvage with tickets

Common salvage is the most often used, I hope no-one is going to argue against that.

Requiring a degree of randomness is all about feeding the market, and direct buying the single one you want with tickets will depletes the market even more, and would lead to even higher common salvage pricing. (thanks to supply/demand)

The random roll requirement is a direct nod to the fact that a supply is required to keep the market healthy.

The AE (which allows a player to basically get all recipes and zero salvage) has caused more than enough disruption to the market as is.

I don't see any reason to compound the issue by adding this, I'd go so far as to suggest that the uncommon and rare salvage should be random rolls only.

So...what you're saying is that you want your salvage now but are completely unwilling to pay for it in any way, shape, or form (outside of a small raw ticket price increase, which is essentially meaningless), and that the market is apparently the devil.

Honestly, you seem to be missing the point that crafting is a game unto itself. Better rewards require higher risks/costs. If you want your slots filled now, without a trace of randomness and for relatively cheap (both in time and $Inf), feel free to buy some DOs or SOs.

What I ma saying.

Defeat 100 minions in the non-AE game you get
2.7 (average) Pool A recipe
8 (average) salvage


basically a 3 salvage:1 recipe ratio

People generally are using AE tickets to roll lots of recipes and little salvage. This puts even more demand pressure on the common salvage from the non-AE game

If you don't understand this feel free to ask a someone about supply/demand

But you are suggesting changing the 'relief valve' on common salvage random rolls, which puts some excess (to the roller) salvage onto the market, which limits the impact to some degree

We might do well to try to assign an effective value in influence/infamy terms for a ticket, and see how this idea stacks up.

Vendors pay 250 for commons, 1,000 for uncommons, and 5,000 for rares. The logical ticket cost for a direct buy of common salvage would be one quarter the cost of uncommon salvage, or 20 tickets.

Currently rare salvage sells reliably for between one and two million inf on the market. Since the ticket cost of rare salvage is 540, the rough value of one ticket is between 2,000 and 4,000 inf. A ticket may actually be worth more than that if used to get recipes, but it's much more complicated to assign a value because the value of a bronze roll recipe ranges from zero to 100 million and up.

If we use rare salvage prices as the metric, that means common salvage bought for 20 tickets would have an effective cost between 40,000 and 80.000 inf. Uncommon salvage bought with 80 tickets would have an effective cost between 160,000 and 240,000 inf.

Most common and uncommon salvage goes for much less than those prices on the market. The highest demand items do sell in those ranges (though there are crazy 1,000,000 outliers every now and then).

So, while it might be more convenient to use tickets to buy common salvage, even at inflated buy-it-now prices the market is still cheaper for nearly all items. Even at 8 tickets for random rolls, you're effectively paying between 16,000 and 32,000 inf, which again is more than the average inflated price we're currently seeing.

So, it doesn't appear that using tickets to buy common salvage is really all that economical. It might have the effect of eliminating the inflow of the less frequently used salvage to the market, which would raise prices overall. Which is the opposite of the intended effect, which I assume is to make common salvage available at reasonable prices.

The real problem with high prices for common salvage is that players who generate lots of salvage do so at level 50 (the most ridiculous prices for common salvage have always been for tier 1 and 2). Also, salvage -- even at inflated prices -- is small potatoes for serious farmers, and I suspect they just delete commons to make sure they have room for rares.

Thanks for the constructive input (as opposed to some of the other input I've gotten above)!

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Kudos to the OP for this suggestion. I'm in favor of it.

This would be an effective way of dealing with supply bottlenecks currently in the system, as people will use tickets to purchase whatever is in short supply. Prices will still fluctuate, but with a (hopefully) lower ceiling on some items. It also lets those who don't want to participate in the markets the option of more easily opting out, while still getting some of the nifty benefits from IOs.

Another way of tackling this same problem would be for drop rates for specific salvage items to be determined on a dynamic basis on the devs' side of the line, based on current market supply and demand. That would be much more complex, it would require developer time, and it would be difficult to calibrate. Putting some tools in players' hands that allow them to bring better balance to supply and demand, while keeping hassle costs for players to a minimum when they're doing that, is a very attractive idea.

If the devs' rationale for forced random rolls was to pump up supply on the markets, then I'm not in favor of that. That's a lot of like forced grinding, with no fun whatsoever to be had in doing it for many players.

I like this idea as well, and I'm not certain how well the trickle-down effect of unwanted common salvage rolls supplies the markets. Sure, some of it probably gets there, but the rest might get deleted or vendored, just for expedience.