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Ben_Arizona,
Posted on: 2010-02-18 22:07 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
It will work until the purple triangles come up.
Then begins the dying time.
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Purple Triangles?|
Originally Posted by Ben_Arizona
It will work until the purple triangles come up.
Then begins the dying time. |
Ohh...yeh...forgot...alot of AVs have a Tier 9 Armor power........Ahh well, Ill still beat everything else like its a red-headed step child!
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Not just the tier 9. Archvillains have a special ability that essentially comes down to extremely-high-magnitude mez protection which is on more often than it's off. If you time it right, you could probably hold one for a short time while it's down, but their protection will come back up and at that point you will need a plan B that isn't mezzing them.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Purple Triangles?
Ohh...yeh...forgot...alot of AVs have a Tier 9 Armor power........Ahh well, Ill still beat everything else like its a red-headed step child! |
If it were that easy, nobody would make much of AV soloing.
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You need to stack 50+ magnitude to hold an av through purple triangles. It's possible with some perma-doms and a few controller builds. A defender's holds don't have enough duration to stack close to the magnitude even with the benefit of Benumb. Even assuming you hold it, that doesn't equate to defeating the AV. That's almost a completely different challenge.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ok, iv been reading up on how people strive to solo AVs and GMs, and I have a few questions about this, apperant focus people give to this issue.
First off, im on a quest to kill AVs, just for S&Gs, with a Cold/Ice Defender. Wouldnt it be possible to run in with a Cold/Ice/Energy Build and kick the **** out of a AV? Bitter Freeze Ray, Freeze Ray, Freeze Ray, Freeze Ray.....If the little freak aint held by now, then damn. Is it possible to get enough Recharge, and Hold Duration to control the entire fight of a AV?If its not possible, then I guess there would be no point eh? If it is possible, then id be more then happy to use my blasts on it, inbetween Freeze Rays, and hit him with Total Focus for extra damage.Ice Storm will be in effect while im having some hang time by the use of Focus, so no damage will be lost on the worshiped DPS Chain Scales. How possible would a build like this be in taking out a AV?Either way, im going to try, reguardless of the answer.Im curious because I can hold Bosses like they are jokes with my Cold/Ice Defender as it is, and Freezing Ray takes a surprisingly small amount of Endurance to fire off. Also, in the past, iv taken out a few AVs with a Fire/Fire Tanker solo before, (Silver Mantis, and the Pastron Robot in the RWZ to name a couple) so thats why I want to try something a little diffrent this time around. |
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Ben is referring to a power which ALL AVs get, named "Resistance". Resistance cycles between an "up" period (during which, you see a purple triangle graphic pointing upwards circling the AV) and a "down" period (at the beginning of which, the purple triangles turn down and disappear). During the "up" period, the AV is given an additional mag 50 protection to almost all mez effects.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Purple Triangles?
Ohh...yeh...forgot...alot of AVs have a Tier 9 Armor power........Ahh well, Ill still beat everything else like its a red-headed step child! |
The "up" period lasts 50 seconds, and the "down" period lasts 25 seconds.
[Resistance] is often reffered to as "Purple Triangles", in reference to the graphic. Sometimes also known as "Purple Triangles of Doom/Death" or "PToD"
T9 armor powers such as Unstoppable will stack with PToD, too.
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What the others said. You're not going to be able to perma-hold an AV, but a cold/ice Defender is capable of soloing an AV if built well.
You'd want high recharge to get Benumb and Heatloss back up ASAP as well as high defense (ranged/AoE).
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Hehe, you don't play dominators much, huh?|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Purple Triangles?
Ohh...yeh...forgot...alot of AVs have a Tier 9 Armor power........Ahh well, Ill still beat everything else like its a red-headed step child! |
But like the others have said, you'll need a plan B to deal with the AV once PToD pop up. I think the only mez that PToD doesn't resist is immobilize and sleep...but I could be wrong.
Yeah, you can immobilize them, if you keep stacking it, but if you're stacking immobilizes you're probably not doing much damage.
Same with sleeps, if you're trying to kill an AV, putting them to sleep is kind of counterproductive. It requires a couple applications at least, and the second you do damage to them they wake up, so there's no real point to it.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Im debating on making a Dom, but they dont appeal to me much right now.Maybe in the future ill play one.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Hehe, you don't play dominators much, huh?
But like the others have said, you'll need a plan B to deal with the AV once PToD pop up. I think the only mez that PToD doesn't resist is immobilize and sleep...but I could be wrong. |
Hmm, Immobs eh?That sounds like my Fire/Rad Controller would be a good contender to solo AVs.
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Fire/rad isn't a bad choice, but bear in mind that immobs won't actually prevent the AV from beating you senseless. Like I said, you're going to need a plan B other than "mez AV, get candy".
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Im debating on making a Dom, but they dont appeal to me much right now.Maybe in the future ill play one.
Hmm, Immobs eh?That sounds like my Fire/Rad Controller would be a good contender to solo AVs. |
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What About adding additional Range Enhancers to the Fire/Rad Build?Wouldnt that do the trick?Long Range Roasting?|
Originally Posted by Ben_Arizona
Fire/rad isn't a bad choice, but bear in mind that immobs won't actually prevent the AV from beating you senseless. Like I said, you're going to need a plan B other than "mez AV, get candy".
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Bear in mind that most enemies have longer range than anything short of a sniper attack.|
Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
What About adding additional Range Enhancers to the Fire/Rad Build?Wouldnt that do the trick?Long Range Roasting?
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Pretty sure there are already several threads in the Controller forums about soloing AVs. While Fire/Kin and ill/Rad are more common than Fire/Rad the same basic approach to each primary and secondary should apply. Not having soloed AVs with any of those combos i can't really add more than what would already be covered in the Controller forums.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Yeah, you can immobilize them, if you keep stacking it, but if you're stacking immobilizes you're probably not doing much damage.
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A Defender or Corruptor build that uses hover and has soft-capped ranged defense could solo any AVs that lack defense debuffs; this is primarily due to having -500% regeneration in the set. It would be far better to do it with a Corruptor, as Scourge offers huge DPS on big sacks o' HP. I really can't stress how much easier this would be on a Corrupter...
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
First off, im on a quest to kill AVs, just for S&Gs, with a Cold/Ice Defender.
Wouldnt it be possible to run in with a Cold/Ice/Energy Build and kick the **** out of a AV? |
Fire/Rad Controller is the best AV soloer blueside IMHO. It's not as foolproof as Ill/Rad, but it's definitely much faster.
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Yes, I agree it would be faster on a Corr, but I perfer Defenders due to higher Debuffs.|
Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
A Defender or Corruptor build that uses hover and has soft-capped ranged defense could solo any AVs that lack defense debuffs; this is primarily due to having -500% regeneration in the set. It would be far better to do it with a Corruptor, as Scourge offers huge DPS on big sacks o' HP. I really can't stress how much easier this would be on a Corrupter...
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The only Corr I have is a Fire/Thermal because those sets arnt available for a Defender.If they where, it would be a Defender.
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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Yes, I agree it would be faster on a Corr, but I perfer Defenders due to higher Debuffs.
The only Corr I have is a Fire/Thermal because those sets arnt available for a Defender.If they where, it would be a Defender. |
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Dammit, and here I was trying to be different with my controller. Guess I need to pay more attention to what people are playing these days |
Originally Posted by Silverado
Fire/Rad Controller is the best AV soloer blueside IMHO. It's not as foolproof as Ill/Rad, but it's definitely much faster.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I find this whole thread to be funny for that reason, soloing AV's is all about being as efficient as possible |
Originally Posted by magikwand
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Fire/Rad is sorta fotm'ish for support and (super)teaming, but not for soloing. At least not as much as DM/SD
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Dammit, and here I was trying to be different with my controller. Guess I need to pay more attention to what people are playing these days
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It isnt as common as say fire/kin or ill/rad, but yeah it is one of THE powersets combos that show off the power of super teams and the like. (and most people cite fire/rad superteams when explaining the power of superteams)
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Fire/Rad is sorta fotm'ish for support and (super)teaming, but not for soloing. At least not as much as DM/SD
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Well, I solo almost exclusively these days, so I guess I don't feel so bad then.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Fire/Rad is sorta fotm'ish for support and (super)teaming, but not for soloing. At least not as much as DM/SD
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Ok, iv been reading up on how people strive to solo AVs and GMs, and I have a few questions about this, apperant focus people give to this issue.
First off, im on a quest to kill AVs, just for S&Gs, with a Cold/Ice Defender.
Wouldnt it be possible to run in with a Cold/Ice/Energy Build and kick the **** out of a AV?
Bitter Freeze Ray, Freeze Ray, Freeze Ray, Freeze Ray.....If the little freak aint held by now, then damn.
Is it possible to get enough Recharge, and Hold Duration to control the entire fight of a AV?If its not possible, then I guess there would be no point eh?
If it is possible, then id be more then happy to use my blasts on it, inbetween Freeze Rays, and hit him with Total Focus for extra damage.Ice Storm will be in effect while im having some hang time by the use of Focus, so no damage will be lost on the worshiped DPS Chain Scales.
How possible would a build like this be in taking out a AV?Either way, im going to try, reguardless of the answer.Im curious because I can hold Bosses like they are jokes with my Cold/Ice Defender as it is, and Freezing Ray takes a surprisingly small amount of Endurance to fire off.
Also, in the past, iv taken out a few AVs with a Fire/Fire Tanker solo before, (Silver Mantis, and the Pastron Robot in the RWZ to name a couple) so thats why I want to try something a little diffrent this time around.