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Back on the subject: I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kadabra Kill in this thread yet. Or did I miss it?
I'm kind of tired of ******** about him. Everyone knows he's overpowered for having boss-level HP, so what's the point?


 

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No such thing
There is such thing.

Morality cannot be confined to Black, White, and Gray. You forgot to look at orange and puce, along with muddy greenish-yellow and teal. Let's throw in purple while we're at it.

Humanity is so maleable and so clay-like in nature, that there is no existing system that can effectively even come close to pinning down the traits and nature of a person. You could, right this very instant, change ALL of your world views, on a dime, just like that. ALL of us could. That we don't and that we aren't going to is irrelevant. We know it CAN happen because it HAS happened. It is STILL happening.

Your zealotry, at this point is...Disheartening, to put it politely.


 

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There is such thing.
There isn't - an anarchist can't have a fixed system of morality, otherwise it'd stop them creating chaos.


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Anarchists are never self-proclaimed. If they are, they aren't anarchists. TRUE anarchists never believe that they are creating chaos. If they do, then the believe they are doing so in order to promote a, in their view, needed change. If not that, they just don't care, and are entirely in it for themselves, and are up for ANY course of action, "good" and "Evil" entirely aside.

So a lot like you, actually, except for that last bit.


 

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Anarchists are never self-proclaimed. If they are, they aren't anarchists. TRUE anarchists never believe that they are creating chaos. If they do, then the believe they are doing so in order to promote a, in their view, needed change. If not that, they just don't care, and are entirely in it for themselves, and are up for ANY course of action, "good" and "Evil" entirely aside.
In other words - no fixed moral system.


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(but for the record, I'm a relativist!)
I'm a Villain Player and I play red side because it's so fun!

*sigh* I tried to get the thread back on track


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This is over the top mental slavery.

 

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In other words - no fixed moral system.
Hence, there exists a form of anarchist who is, by default setting and by your own reasoning, a moral anarchist.


 

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Hence, there exists a form of anarchist who is, by default setting and by your own reasoning, a moral anarchist.
If you're an anarchist, then you can't have any morality - causing chaos that harms other people is immoral.


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I have to ask, regarding this:

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They can have any system they like - as long as it allows for a system change.
And what gives you the authority to decide the political system of an entire world??



 

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If you're an anarchist, then you can't have any morality - causing chaos that harms other people is immoral.
Definition of Morality from Dictionary.com

1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2. moral quality or character.
3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4. a doctrine or system of morals.
5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.

Anarchist
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

These aren't mutually exclusive in all cases.


 

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No it's not - evil is something you do - it's not something you're born to do.

Human nature is consider evil because we are animals deep down that still to this day feel the strongest is on top. Instead of strenght it became money or something else. Deep down no matter how nice or sweet someone is that animal like nature will always be apart of you.


 

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I have to ask, regarding this:

And what gives you the authority to decide the political system of an entire world??
Moral authority - supporting freedom gives you the moral authority to help freedom develop in other places.
Praetoria is a dictatorship, so it's morally inferior to primal Earth.


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Definition of Morality from Dictionary.com

1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2. moral quality or character.
3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4. a doctrine or system of morals.
5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.

Anarchist
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

These aren't mutually exclusive in all cases.
None of those definitions of an anarchist allows for morality.


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Human nature is consider evil because we are animals deep down that still to this day feel the strongest is on top. Instead of strenght it became money or something else. Deep down no matter how nice or sweet someone is that animal like nature will always be apart of you.
But it doesn't control you - that's why we're above animals - even horses


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Moral authority - supporting freedom gives you the moral authority to help freedom develop in other places.
Praetoria is a dictatorship, so it's morally inferior to primal Earth.
Asserting your moral authority strips away any moral authority you might have had.

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None of those definitions of an anarchist allows for morality.
Moral does not mean "good". It means "follows a set of rules". What those rules are doesn't matter.

An anarchist seeks to overturn the rules of society. That doesn't preclude them from having their own set of rules.


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Asserting your moral authority strips away any moral authority you might have had.
Not really, no

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Moral does not mean "good". It means "follows a set of rules". What those rules are doesn't matter.

An anarchist seeks to overturn the rules of society. That doesn't preclude them from having their own set of rules.
Rule 1 - there are no rules?


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Not really, no



Rule 1 - there are no rules?
Yes, it kinda does. Saying you are better than someone, and more moral than them, even if true, kinda diminishes your point, doesn't it?

Also, that is a juvenile interpretation of an anarachist. Anarchy has more to do with disrupting organized society... not disregarding all "rules" just because they are "rules."



 

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Not really, no
Actually, yes. But we can go back and forth on that all night, so I'll leave this particular tangent at "get off your high horse".

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Rule 1 - there are no rules?
That's... kinda the point.


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Yes, it kinda does. Saying you are better than someone, and more moral than them, even if true, kinda diminishes your point, doesn't it?
No - if Tyrant was to ask what authority Primal Earth heroes had to try and remove him, that would be the honest answer he'd get - he's a moral failure, and is harming the people of his world, so he has to go.

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Also, that is a juvenile interpretation of an anarachist. Anarchy has more to do with disrupting organized society... not disregarding all "rules" just because they are "rules."
Well, anarchists are childish - I guess it rubs off on normal people sometimes


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Actually, yes. But we can go back and forth on that all night, so I'll leave this particular tangent at "get off your high horse".
My horse is big, but no higher than normal for a Hanoverian

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That's... kinda the point.
Then that's not really a rule then


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No - if Tyrant was to ask what authority Primal Earth heroes had to try and remove him, that would be the honest answer he'd get - he's a moral failure, and is harming the people of his world, so he has to go.
Wait, lemme get this straight. Because you think that Emperor Cole is morally destitute, you implicitly have the right to overturn his empire and bring anarchy to his world.

Aren't you the one who keeps claiming it's the people's right to overturn their own illegitimate government?


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My horse is big, but no higher than normal for a Hanoverian
Your connection to the House of Hanover undeniably proves that you support dynastic rule. Emperor Cole's meritocracy is little different from your own dynasty, so I don't know what your problem with him is


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Wait, lemme get this straight. Because you think that Emperor Cole is morally destitute, you implicitly have the right to overturn his empire and bring anarchy to his world.
Freedom, not anarchy

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Aren't you the one who keeps claiming it's the people's right to overturn their own illegitimate government?
It is - but if they're being badly oppressed, they'll need a helping hand
And with no guns allowed, no private transport, and any superpowered people being forced to join Tyrant's thugs or be killed, the people of Praetoria would have a hard time fighting back without help - which is where Primal Earth would come in - helping the helpless is what heroes do


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Your connection to the House of Hanover undeniably proves that you support dynastic rule. Emperor Cole's meritocracy is little different from your own dynasty, so I don't know what your problem with him is
A Hanoverian is a horse - a very beautiful kind


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