Go to Redside.

Yes please provide us this evidence of things being overly expensive on the villain market.


While you are at it, please go outside and take a picture of the sky, to prove in fact, that it is blue.


Also: I heard that fish swim, can you provide video evidence?

I sold 2 lvl 50 LOTGs for 200 mil

I bought 5 LOTGs at 49 "bi it nao" for 100.

OMG TOKYO UR AZN!? isnt aza like somewhere in canada?

Actually, I owe you nothing. My anecdotal evidence is exactly as reliable and relevant as yours. Fixating one something which has been repeatedly explained, and was clearly never the point to start with just smacks of trolling... surprise surprise. Would you like to tell me again how I'm the only one who provides anecdotal evidence regarding the market in this thread?

Interesting choice of phrasing. Yet, by putting forth any statement about pricing in the first place you are implying that your statement does indeed have some measure of integrity and we should not ignore it out of hand. As has already been stated, my anecdotal evidence is just as relevant and reliable as yours.

You seem hellbent on "proving" otherwise, yet are completely unwilling to put forth anything but anecdotal evidence. You want to "prove" anything, the burden of proof is on you. Me, I don't care about proving jack squat, I care about having fun with the game. I'm doing that just fine with that by avoiding red market. As someone with zero interest in "proving" anything, burden of proof certainly doesn't lie with me.

But please, continue telling me I lie, then telling me I'm supposed to "prove" something to you. It's pretty good for a chuckle. Or... and this is a bit of a stretch I know... you could realize that the point you're trying to address is something only distantly related to the point at hand (which has been pointed out repeatedly, but is being ignored in favor relatively poor attempts to troll) and actually try to add something relevant to the conversation. I know that's a big stretch, and not likely to happen... but I figured I would toss that out there at least.

See, this is where the opposition argument makes no sense to me. The oppositions argument is that the prices of goods on the villain market are more expensive than the hero markets; therefore the villain market is flawed.

However, the Villain and Hero markets are completely AUTONOMOUS entities. Why does the opposition continue to compare and contrast when there is absolutely no exchange of currency or Goods of ANY kind between Villain and Blueside through the market.

The most one could do Is compare current Villain market prices to past villain market prices.

I play the game the same whether I'm playing hero or villain. When I am on blue side I get what I want for cheaper.

On villain side I can't get what I want very often and it costs more.

It is due to smaller playerbase providing smaller supply.

Real simple.

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Originally Posted by Balefire_Djinn I play the game the same whether I'm playing hero or villain. When I am on blue side I get what I want for cheaper. On villain side I can't get what I want very often and it costs more. It is due to smaller playerbase providing smaller supply. Real simple.

But smaller player base also means smaller demand!!!!

GAWD!

You guys make me cry...

Let me explain this simply. You are just one man claiming the Black Market is flawed, whereas there's something like 3 or five of us at least in this thread alone who say it is not. Ergo, the burden of proof resides on your shoulders.

He could try to enlist these folk.

Actually the anemic villain market encourages hoarding which makes for inflated demand.

Nice try though.

Sorry, burden of proof has absolutely nothing to do with the number of people backing either side of the argument.

Yet... here you are in another blatant lie. There are several people in this thread who agree with me. Even Tokyo admits there are supply problems redside and he supports that side of the argument. If you're going to outright lie to support your argument, try to do it in a way that isn't blatantly obvious to anyone who has actually read the thread... just a suggestion to keep your foot from your mouth.

You mean the troll with the bastardized Arabic name? Yes, great backup there. All he's done so far is insult people. Supply matches the population, but you said the market was flawed, not just low in supply. You made claims about overly expensive circuit boards and said all of these were causes for the low population. Then when you're backed in a corner you just say "no u" and repeat the same things over and over again without showing anything for it.

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Originally Posted by Balefire_Djinn Actually the anemic villain market encourages hoarding which makes for inflated demand. Nice try though.

...that has nothing to do with the simple law of economics that lower demand means lower price, in an elastic market.

There are many factors that affect the market as a system, yes, but saying that the Black Market is "flawed" purely because of lower population on villain side is just plain invalid reasoning in my view.

I still stand by my point. The only flaw with the Black Market is that it is easier to manipulate due to lower population. Lower number of suppliers means higher control over the price given to each individual supplier.

Due to that, there are odd 'price spikes' every now and then in the histogram of the prices of certain items, which both frustrates and annoys casual market users. This is exactly why someone like me stopped manipulating and predicting the market. I thought it was unethical, in my own opinion.

That's it! That's the only issue I can see with Black Market.

hmm, those werent the statements I was refering to, more like statements on my purpose here.

as far as my market experiences go, theyre true, but challenge away because I'm not trying to prove their validity, they're just supporting statements for everyone else, which is who you are arguing with, not me.

I typed a sentence and got a term paper, seems like I very successfully agitated you.

So if you dont care to prove anything, and all of your reserch and experimentation is for yourself... what are you doing here, you have done a good job of trolling the serious posters in this thread.

to parallel us to others, you're the nerdy kid, everyone else is a bully, and I'm the instigator sitting at one of the lunch tables yelling "ooohhhh, he just called you a [Censored]"

matter of fact I can recall several /b wars where I jumped in saying just that =P

I've addressed this several times, I'm not interested in doing market research. You want something proved, then prove it. This has been stated several times but you're either too thick to get it, or too intent on trolling to bother. Low supply is a flaw. Simple as that. A flawed market contributes to population issues. But then... you just repeat the same things over and over again without anything new to add to the conversation. What's the next bald faced lie you would like to tell in this thread?

Gearford, if the word that comes to mind for you is "term paper" any sort of higher education is going to be a rude awakening for you. Most of my posts are typed during loading screens on missions. Guess some of us can just type faster than others. As for serious posters in this thread... I have seen just about one. He actually bothered to post up some comparative numbers. Everyone else is just posting anecdotal evidence with no factual backing (myself included) and going "NANANANA YOU'RE WRONG!"

But hey, I just have issues with people trying to pass off opinion or outright bad information as fact. Only caveat is, my opinion is right and yours is wrong! You want to tell me I'm wrong, then prove it. Otherwise that can really be said is that our opinions and experiences differ.

This isn't about you anymore, Humility!! Gawd... you're such a narcissist, you know not everything is about YOU. :P

This is about villain market principles and how they are being threatened by blue foreigners trying to tell us how we should run our markets. Do us a favor and just keep buying our debt. d;D

This is incorrect.

You are posting an observation ("Supply is low redside"), and a conclusion that was not reached by any stretch of logic ("The market is flawed").

The others are posting the same observation ("Supply is low redside"), but take into account the fact that population is low, which means demand is also low. In a smaller market, there is a larger gap between rich and poor. This is an economic fact, not an illogical leap. There is no flaw.

I am sorry because you do not know how to play on the blue side then if you REQUIRE an AT. While its nice having a Tank, Kin, Or Emp on a team they are not required. Tanks can function very well without one of those three; its people that play the characters that are the issue. Not the AT's themselves. People that broadcast for a specific AT does not really know how other powersets work or how to properly lead a team or just like playing safe.

Also need to give a big no on redside, just not that interesting. Though this is another pointless thread because people will play what they want and those that say "play redside now because I said so" are just like those that spam the channels seeking a specific AT.

That's not what Kelenar was saying. His post was largely sarcastic, commenting on the general mentality of blueside players. You are correct that no AT is required, but it's a hard thing to break in to most people.

Also, it's called a jukebox. And the song is Jukebox Hero.

Translated for readers: Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

Translated for readers: I don't want to try redside because i'm comfortable with mediocrity.

Actually, I think it's a play on words. Jute rope is used quite often in many Shibari performances.

You young whipper snappers... haven't you ever heard of Foreigner?