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Posted on: 2010-02-08 05:15 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I wouldn't call you a liar. Just a misinformed hypocrite.|
Originally Posted by Humility
Interesting how you started out your presence in the thread by calling me a liar, then make a statement like that which is a clear lie by your own posts in the thread. Or did I miss where your post actually brought something new to the thread? Cause I didn't see anything but just another troll post to throw fuel on the dieing fire. |
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. Welcome to the darkside humility. You'll soon learn to farm tfs and sfs in under 15-30 minutes for merits. Once you accomplish that, it's just a matter of marketeering and using the profit to outfit your character with the IOs you want.
Congratulations, you're ebil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujzp9ffPwPM
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I would challenge the integrity of his posts in a heart beat, like how he said he placed a bunch of bids for random IO lvls several days ago , about 1 day after getting called on not having any hard evidence.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I wouldn't call you a liar. Just a misinformed hypocrite.
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. Welcome to the darkside humility. You'll soon learn to farm tfs and sfs in under 15-30 minutes for merits. Once you accomplish that, it's just a matter of marketeering and using the profit to outfit your character with the IOs you want. Congratulations, you're ebil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujzp9ffPwPM |
raises my eyebrows a lil' is all.
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I'm too lazy to challenge his integrity. If he is willing to learn and put forth the effort to farm merits and play the market instead of kvetching, he's good in my book. d;D|
Originally Posted by Gearford
I would challenge the integrity of his posts in a heart beat, like how he said he placed a bunch of bids for random IO lvls several days ago , about 1 day after getting called on not having any hard evidence.
raises my eyebrows a lil' is all. |
p.s. Ya, i'm an Asian Jewban.
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That was actually a direct response to someone else who assumes I'm not being truthful specifically regarding the damned circuit boards no one can seem to see past.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I wouldn't call you a liar. Just a misinformed hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Ah, then he's a liar.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. Welcome to the darkside humility. You'll soon learn to farm tfs and sfs in under 15-30 minutes for merits. Once you accomplish that, it's just a matter of marketeering and using the profit to outfit your character with the IOs you want.
Congratulations, you're ebil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujzp9ffPwPM |
I would however really like some sweet sweet merit shiny toys like lotg 7.5s and the like. Because I like to put shiny things on my character.
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Originally Posted by Gearford
I would challenge the integrity of his posts in a heart beat, like how he said he placed a bunch of bids for random IO lvls several days ago , about 1 day after getting called on not having any hard evidence.
raises my eyebrows a lil' is all. |
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Originally Posted by Humility
That was actually a direct response to someone else who assumes I'm not being truthful specifically regarding the damned circuit boards no one can seem to see past.
I'm not actually interested in marketeering at all. As I have stated more than once, making money isn't tough at all. Heck, I've only been blueside a couple weeks and I've got somewhere around 150 mil liquid, another 20 in bids and another 50 in posted ios waiting to sell. That's based solely off of drops and ae tickets rolls I made while leveling and I still kept a bunch of choice bits for myself (regenerative tissue regen, steadfast res/def global etc) as well as buying a couple 5 piece Crushing Impacts (plus the beginnings of two more sets) and starting on some doctored wounds sets. Everything else in my build is frankenslotted or has basic common IO's (fast healing and the like get common IOs until the build has enough slots open to use them as a set mule or something) Making money, even without "playing the market" isn't difficult in the least, and I never tried to say it was. It's a matter of not having anything to spend it on when playing redside that is the issue here. I would however really like some sweet sweet merit shiny toys like lotg 7.5s and the like. Because I like to put shiny things on my character. And I would challenge your integrity for being more interested in trolling the thread than adding something to it. I still didn't put forth any hard evidence, and don't intend to. See, everyone said something that disagreed with my personal experiences so I tested it. Not for them, not for you, not for proof... because I like the red ATs and play environment a bit better. I would prefer to play red, but have not found the market serviceable to do so. It really doesn't much matter if you or anyone else believes me, because I wasn't testing for you, I was testing for me. |
I promise you..if you can manage a few tfs on redside, (200 merits isn't difficult to manage in a week) you can make twice to 3 times more on redside than on blueside by purchasing a lotg and selling it on the market. It takes VERY little effort..trust me, i'm REALLY, really, lazy.
With that cash you can
a) start outfitting your toon with IO sets or generic/common IOs. (Ask someone from your VG that has memorized the generic/common IO to craft it for you, you supply the difference and the salvage. NEVER purchase generic/common IOs from the market.)
b) Find a niche for a few crafted IOs and buy up the recipes and start crafting and selling (try not to supply more than how many are bidding, it keeps demand up. Never use whole numbers when posting prices, however post slightly lower than the going price.
I'm just asking you to try, take a bite..I promise you'll like it.
I've been watching this thread for a little while, and I have to ask this.
What makes people think that the villain market is fine? Really, I want to know. What is it about the villain side market that is fine? Prices? nope. Item availability?
I sure haven't seen it.
Real quick check on some items needed for a couple of toons
Numi + Regen. lvl 30 57 bids 5 for sale. Last sale 251 mil Red side
Numi + Regen. lvl 30 99 bids 3 for sale. Last sale 150 mil Blue side
LOTG 7.5 lvl 30 42 bids 0 for sale. Last sale 155 mil Red side
LOTG 7.5 lvl 30 38 bids 2 for sale. Last sale 101 mil Blue side
LOTG Def lvl 25 8 bids 0 for sale. Last sale 100 mil Red side
LOTG Def lvl 25 33 bids 2 for sale. Last sale 10 mil Blue side
Nucleolus 44 bids 4 for sale. Last sale 100 mil Red
Nucleoulus 1 bid 1 for sale. Last sale 45 mil Blue side.
Comparisons as of 2:00pm EST on 2-18-10
I see a discrepancy
"Sorry bucko, but CoH and CoV are the same game." -BackAlleyBrawler
"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho
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So, what's wrong with the market?
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Originally Posted by Vega
I've been watching this thread for a little while, and I have to ask this.
What makes people think that the villain market is fine? Really, I want to know. What is it about the villain side market that is fine? Prices? nope. Item availability? I sure haven't seen it. Real quick check on some items needed for a couple of toons Numi + Regen. lvl 30 57 bids 5 for sale. Last sale 251 mil Red side Numi + Regen. lvl 30 99 bids 3 for sale. Last sale 150 mil Blue side LOTG 7.5 lvl 30 42 bids 0 for sale. Last sale 155 mil Red side LOTG 7.5 lvl 30 38 bids 2 for sale. Last sale 101 mil Blue side LOTG Def lvl 25 8 bids 0 for sale. Last sale 100 mil Red side LOTG Def lvl 25 33 bids 2 for sale. Last sale 10 mil Blue side Nucleolus 44 bids 4 for sale. Last sale 100 mil Red Nucleoulus 1 bid 1 for sale. Last sale 45 mil Blue side. Comparisons as of 2:00pm EST on 2-18-10 I see a discrepancy |
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Ok, perhaps I was unclear at some point... I have a 50 brute, 39, 37 and 32 masterminds and a few other vils of various levels. My brute is pretty much completely IO'd out (not purples or anything, but respectable sets and uniques) and the MM have at least common IO's for everything and I have something in the neighborhood of 500 mil in liquid and stored IOs. By no means an ebil marketeer but I'm not a pauper redside. Making the money isn't tough, finding useful things to do with it for a non 50 character is the issue. My redside characters were IO'd out two years ago before I left the game for a while, which is good because I wouldn't want to try to do it in the current market (I prefer 30-35 IOs for the flexibility of ex'ing down). |
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I promise you..if you can manage a few tfs on redside, (200 merits isn't difficult to manage in a week) you can make twice to 3 times more on redside than on blueside by purchasing a lotg and selling it on the market. It takes VERY little effort..trust me, i'm REALLY, really, lazy.
With that cash you can a) start outfitting your toon with IO sets or generic/common IOs. (Ask someone from your VG that has memorized the generic/common IO to craft it for you, you supply the difference and the salvage. NEVER purchase generic/common IOs from the market.) b) Find a niche for a few crafted IOs and buy up the recipes and start crafting and selling (try not to supply more than how many are bidding, it keeps demand up. Never use whole numbers when posting prices, however post slightly lower than the going price. I'm just asking you to try, take a bite..I promise you'll like it. |
Making the money is not tough, the only people trying to say that are those who were trying to act like I was incompetent at the market without any information in that regard. In regards to your above points specifically, I never buy IO's period. Common or otherwise. Always, ALWAYS ALWAYS buy recipes and craft your own. As for posting yeah, slightly under the going rate is my approach. Something going for 20 I would probably post for 17-18 depending on what it is, posted as 18,000,777 or something similar so a bit of 18 won't get it and the lazy bid creeper will tack on another 500K-1mil or so usually. Making money is as easy as playing the game and not licking windows in your off time. My issue, stated again and again in this thread is one of supply. There simply is not access to fun shiny toys for leveling characters redside. This detracts enough from the play for me that I don't want to play red in that environment.
Can't wait for vigilante status from GR.
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What do you feel is right with it? This is really a curiosity question. I'm not looking for debate or to start fighting. I really want to know what it is that people feel is good about the red market.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
So, what's wrong with the market?
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For me, its nice that it is bare when I am trying to sell, but horrid when I am looking to buy. I'm cheap, and have a lot of toons that need stuff, so I hoarde enough that I have to visit the market rarely.
"Sorry bucko, but CoH and CoV are the same game." -BackAlleyBrawler
"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho
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I agree, supplies tend to be lower redside. |
Originally Posted by Humility
Ok, perhaps I was unclear at some point... I have a 50 brute, 39, 37 and 32 masterminds and a few other vils of various levels. My brute is pretty much completely IO'd out (not purples or anything, but respectable sets and uniques) and the MM have at least common IO's for everything and I have something in the neighborhood of 500 mil in liquid and stored IOs. By no means an ebil marketeer but I'm not a pauper redside. Making the money isn't tough, finding useful things to do with it for a non 50 character is the issue. My redside characters were IO'd out two years ago before I left the game for a while, which is good because I wouldn't want to try to do it in the current market (I prefer 30-35 IOs for the flexibility of ex'ing down).
Making the money is not tough, the only people trying to say that are those who were trying to act like I was incompetent at the market without any information in that regard. In regards to your above points specifically, I never buy IO's period. Common or otherwise. Always, ALWAYS ALWAYS buy recipes and craft your own. As for posting yeah, slightly under the going rate is my approach. Something going for 20 I would probably post for 17-18 depending on what it is, posted as 18,000,777 or something similar so a bit of 18 won't get it and the lazy bid creeper will tack on another 500K-1mil or so usually. Making money is as easy as playing the game and not licking windows in your off time. My issue, stated again and again in this thread is one of supply. There simply is not access to fun shiny toys for leveling characters redside. This detracts enough from the play for me that I don't want to play red in that environment. Can't wait for vigilante status from GR. |
However, I don't see that as a market problem as much as I do a population problem.
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I don't see the point in comparing the two markets.
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Originally Posted by Vega
What do you feel is right with it? This is really a curiosity question. I'm not looking for debate or to start fighting. I really want to know what it is that people feel is good about the red market.
For me, its nice that it is bare when I am trying to sell, but horrid when I am looking to buy. I'm cheap, and have a lot of toons that need stuff, so I hoarde enough that I have to visit the market rarely. |
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The root cause is a population problem, but there is no question it creates a market problem.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
I agree, supplies tend to be lower redside.
However, I don't see that as a market problem as much as I do a population problem. |
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ehhh... You're getting into the gray. The markets state is a symptom of low population. I wouldn't call it a problem.
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Originally Posted by Humility
The root cause is a population problem, but there is no question it creates a market problem.
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Well, I already stated that population was the root cause of the market issue, which is functionally identical to saying the market issue is a symptom of population issues. As for it being a problem...|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
ehhh... You're getting into the gray. The markets state is a symptom of low population. I wouldn't call it a problem.
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Originally Posted by Dictionary
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I've outfitted four of my toons on redside with IOs. Elec/Inv Brute, Widow, Necro/Dark MM, Axe/Shield Brute. I didn't have any problems getting the IOs I wanted. I didn't have to pay out the wazoo for them. I don't farm drops or play the market. I only did a bit of meriting to get some really expensive or in-demand ones like LotGs (which are just as bad blueside). So... I don't see anything wrong with it?|
Originally Posted by Vega
What do you feel is right with it? This is really a curiosity question. I'm not looking for debate or to start fighting. I really want to know what it is that people feel is good about the red market.
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This is all subjective. And your mileage may vary. For me? Seems fine.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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No, in a technical sense it is still the symptom of the problem.|
Originally Posted by Humility
Well, I already stated that population was the root cause of the market issue, which is functionally identical to saying the market issue is a symptom of population issues. As for it being a problem...
So in a technical sense it is without question, a problem. |
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| You may not consider it a problem |
I am willing to agree that you have a dissenting opinion if you can agree that your opinion is flawed.
I thought prevailing sentiment was that the BM was a problem* -- and that's why there are constant calls to merge the BM and WW.
* yes, a problem borne of another problem, population
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My cold is the root cause of my sneeze. My sneeze is a symptom of my cold.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
No, in a technical sense it is still the symptom of the problem.
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Low population is the root cause of the supply problems. Supply problems are a symptom of low population.
Functionally identical.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
I don't see it as a problem in the same context that you see it as a problem.. because it isn't.
I am willing to agree that you have a dissenting opinion if you can agree that your opinion is flawed. |
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Originally Posted by gec72
I thought prevailing sentiment was that the BM was a problem -- and that's why there are constant calls to merge the BM and WW.
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Of course... Scythus doesn't seem to believe that common salvage regularly hits prices of 150K which leads me to believe he doesn't actually use the market.
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How much are you hoarding? I usually have a couple of pieces of common salvage on hand for those times when they marketeers do drive prices up (on both sides of the good and evil fence). But if you are hoarding a LOT of stuff, that is contributing to the problem of supply redside. By all means, hang on to some stuff, but don't hoard it all.|
Originally Posted by Vega
What do you feel is right with it? This is really a curiosity question. I'm not looking for debate or to start fighting. I really want to know what it is that people feel is good about the red market.
For me, its nice that it is bare when I am trying to sell, but horrid when I am looking to buy. I'm cheap, and have a lot of toons that need stuff, so I hoarde enough that I have to visit the market rarely. |
I will join you if someone suggests that supply isn't lower redside for things like recipes. But I think most people will agree with that, even the ebil marketeers. Salvage, on the other hand, is much cheaper. I love that part of redside... I don't have to pay through the nose to make recipes, and I can actually have lowbies afford to make their own accuracy enhancements, as Luck Charms don't cost you an arm and a leg (which is what it feels like at low levels blueside).
I'm not a marketeer, either. I don't like taking risks. I tend to save up my merits to buy an expensive recipe and either use it or sell it, rather than rolling... even though I know I could make more money rolling (though my knowledge of how bad my luck is suggests otherwise). Tokyo's "buy a LOTG +recharge and sell it for cash" thing worked for my Stalker. I had maybe 1/3 of the enhancements I needed on him before doing the same thing, and I was able to buy the rest in a space of a few weeks afterwards... and I have a good chunk of the money left over, too.
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Redside has concise, diverse stories and missions. Redside has archetypes with a wide range of roles and abilities. Redside has easy travel. Redside has a unique atmosphere.
...and people are complaining about it because of its market? C'mon. Firstly, villain archetypes don't need IO's to function well and be fun. As a rabid inventor, I know the bonus in performance those shinies bring. But with as many villain alts as I have, I can truthfully say they can be plenty fun on 'merely' SO's. Yes, the smaller supply makes it easier for 'flippers' to do their thing. So ignore them. Put up bids for what you think you'll want in advance, the niches fall over eventually. Play AE arcs, so when you need salvage NOW, you can grab some for tickets. Keep a few of everything in the vault/storage/BM slots.And the expensive stuff? Play, and when you find expensive things, sell it well and the profit can be traded for a desired expensive thing.
Seriously guys, the market is just a darned bad reason to avoid the redside. There are too many good stories and builds to enjoy to skirt all that content over your bid for that uber recipe taking forever to come in.
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Good point, but I think it requires players to exercise a degree of rational behavior infrequent in games and in real life. I also confess to being part of the problem. I look up what salvage I might need ahead of time and hoard the bejeezus out of it. Everyone else can have the leftovers when I'm done.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
But if you are hoarding a LOT of stuff, that is contributing to the problem of supply redside. By all means, hang on to some stuff, but don't hoard it all.
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Firstly, villain archetypes don't need IO's to function well and be fun.
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Originally Posted by Humility
No, your post said nothing about burden of proof. It said nothing constructive.
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| I'm still waiting to see these overpriced circuit boards of yours. |
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Originally Posted by Scythus
I wrote...
This is a request for evidence. |
If you've never seen common salvage hit 150K, I don't believe that you regularly use the market.
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I did say I'm only on it for about 15 minutes a week. I only buy what I need and sell what I don't. And you still owe us evidence since the majority of us are skeptical.
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Originally Posted by Humility
If you've never seen common salvage hit 150K, I don't believe that you regularly use the market.
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Interesting how you started out your presence in the thread by calling me a liar, then make a statement like that which is a clear lie by your own posts in the thread.
Or did I miss where your post actually brought something new to the thread? Cause I didn't see anything but just another troll post to throw fuel on the dieing fire.