Isn't Supernatural PRETTY MUCH the same thing as Magic? If not, please explain the difference.
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Supernatural poeple can't die. I seen magic poeple die but not Supernatural hehe. But yes I guess they are pretty much the same. I know, vampirdes and werewolves have been killed, but they always come back.
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Already covered by existing origins.
"Inherent," other than already being a - you can call it mechanic or power type, I suppose, is so broad-based to be even more meaningless than our existing origins.
Example:
Your father trained you in martial arts - hello, Natural.
You found your mother's stash of magical items, she trained you, you took up her mantle - magic.
You found your father's experimental powersuit - tech.
Supernatural:
Vampire, Werewolf - depends on the character's backstory. Come from a world of werewolves? Natural. If you go with a "werewolf virus," you could probably call it mutant, or science, or natural. Curse? Magic, and so forth.
If your grandma was born with fire powers, and you got born with fire powers that could be Inherent ; )
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No, that would be mutant. It's a power you inherently have that isn't available to the rest of humanity.
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Originally Posted by Power_NA
If your grandma was born with fire powers, and you got born with fire powers that could be Inherent ; )
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Oh ok : ) I guess we don't need more origins heheh.
just NO. i think... i don't know....wait...yes, my answer is no...maybe...i'm not sure...wait,no,no...my answer is no. there are 5 basics origins that cover everything. anything else is a mix of them.
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You're assuming, of course, the character is human. I have a fire blaster who's essentially a fire elemental - for that character, it's natural. Alternately, I have an electric blaster whose ancestors were priestesses and guardians for a specific goddess - that duty/blessing/power was passed down. (Magic.) |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
No, that would be mutant. It's a power you inherently have that isn't available to the rest of humanity.
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There are multiple ways for this to happen. However, that doesn't mean we need new origins.
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Supernatural has a more religious bent to it than "magic" does. I'm all for a supernatural origin, it would fit in very well with some of my character concepts (i.e. angels and demons would be supernatural, not magic.)
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Isn't Supernatural PRETTY MUCH the same thing as Magic? If not, please explain the difference.
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Except that the canon explanation for such creatures as angels (i.e. the servants of deities) and demons is already magic. You don't get a by just because you want Judeo-Christian mythical entities to not have the same origin as every other religious structure. Remember: the only difference between religion and myth is that people no longer believe in myth.
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Originally Posted by Evilanna
Supernatural has a more religious bent to it than "magic" does. I'm all for a supernatural origin, it would fit in very well with some of my character concepts (i.e. angels and demons would be supernatural, not magic.)
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I thought that things like that were explained by the "incarnate" origin (which only two characters have access to anyway.)|
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Except that the canon explanation for such creatures as angels (i.e. the servants of deities) and demons is already magic. You don't get a by just because you want Judeo-Christian mythical entities to not have the same origin as every other religious structure. Remember: the only difference between religion and myth is that people no longer believe in myth.
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Also, can you please point out where things like angels and demons are said to be "magic" in the lore?
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I can see Angel & Demons falling under the Magic or Natural Origin, and still be supernatural.|
Originally Posted by Umbral
Except that the canon explanation for such creatures as angels (i.e. the servants of deities) and demons is already magic. You don't get a by just because you want Judeo-Christian mythical entities to not have the same origin as every other religious structure. Remember: the only difference between religion and myth is that people no longer believe in myth.
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I think the problem people have with some of the origins, is what the origin power gives you. I've had natural origin concepts, that some might think fall into magic, and I've went with magic origin, just because I didn't picture them with a throwing knife, but rather some magic little do-dad.
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Yeah, Inherant can be all the origins.
Supernatural in some terms is Magic.
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He has that effect.
I'll give him credit, though. His grammar and spelling have improved greatly since he started.
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Inherent is either Mutation or Natural, depending on how you look at it (this assumes the gizmo you get from an ancestor is not a magical artifact or a tech/scientific item).
Supernatural and Magic are synonymous in this universe of discourse. Magical qualities acquired from external sources or study, or inherent power, or even characters who are magical/praeternatural/supernatural by ...er...nature, are all Magic origin. Gods, demons, imps, vampires (classical), boggles, goblins, oni, ghosts, you name it.
My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
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Originally Posted by BBhumeBB
Supernatural and Magic are synonymous in this universe of discourse. Magical qualities acquired from external sources or study, or inherent power, or even characters who are magical/praeternatural/supernatural by ...er...nature, are all Magic origin. Gods, demons, imps, vampires (classical), boggles, goblins, oni, ghosts, you name it.
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| adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal. 2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to God or a deity. 3. of a superlative degree; preternatural: a missile of supernatural speed. 4. of, pertaining to, or attributed to ghosts, goblins, or other unearthly beings; eerie; occult. |
1: deals with *our* natural laws. Of course, as generally vague as this definition is, you could at points throw science, tech, or mutation in there ("Abnormal") and call it supernatural.
2: Generally fits "magic" I suppose - but if that being manifested itself in the world and used its abilities (as opposed to going through a worshipper/priest/"chosen one,") I'd say an argument could be made it's natural origin for them in many cases. "Why can you control weather?" "I *am* weather. It's part of me. It's what I do."
3: By this definition... well, almost every character in COH is probably "supernatural." Even our "most natural, most human" characters start out sprinting faster than cars, for instance, and can take a rocket to the face without flinching (much.)
4: Related to 2. Have a demon doing demon-y things? Likely natural for them. Have someone controlling ghosts and compelling zombies to fight for them? Potentially magic.
My biggest disagreement with your post, BB, is the "... all magic origin" bit. Yes, a demon is of a supernatural origin, here, but its own abilities would - unless augmented by the summoner, for instance, or enhanced by the Infernal Sword of Bad Tech Support or a similar item - be natural to them. Ghosts, to most, have certain ghost-y characteristics (cooling an area, being hard to see/invisible and the like) - those would be the natural characteristics of a ghost. Now, have that ghost somehow possess a suit of armor and use its armor and weapons? We have a tech-enhanced ghost.
Pedantic appeals to the dictionary when dealing with technical jargon strike me as a bot odd, but OK.
I will say I am all in favor of players using any Origin they like, whether they exert themselves to fit it into a backstory or just base it on which vendors they find the most convenient at different stages of play.
I was speaking from an anthropocentric point of view, certainly.
But the argument that "X is natural to that character" can be stretched far enough to cover anything, rather like the "Any weapon is Tech, including pointed sticks."
My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
There's this nifty show called Supernatural where ghost, zombies, vampires, werewolves, ancient gods, demons, and angles all get killed off one way or another.
Also by that shows story they are all either natural or magic in origin...
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Pedantic appeals to the dictionary when dealing with technical jargon strike me as a bot odd, but OK.
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| But the argument that "X is natural to that character" can be stretched far enough to cover anything, rather like the "Any weapon is Tech, including pointed sticks." |
But that's not exactly where origin comes from - yes, the weapon itself would be tech, but...
Well, let's put it this way. We've got two heroes, both using (say) AR in-game. Exceptionally accurate.
One trained for years. Give them anything gun-like, they'll have a high degree of accuracy, be able to hit what they want, etc. The ability is in *them,* not in the gun, not a mutation or serum, not a magical gun - they'd be natural origin.
One worked out a special, super-high-tech gun that auto-corrects, auto-targets, autoloads, auto-everything. Take that away and give him an M1, and he can't hit the broad side of a barn. That'd be tech origin.
The pointed stick is technology, yes, but only so far as being a tool, assuming we're talking just basic pointed stick. A hammer doesn't make a carpenter. The question is in where the ability resides. (Of course, I'd bet a good 70% of characters in the game have their origin because "that's what I clicked to get through to the rest of it.")
I thought of two ideas : D
Inherent, you got your powers/skill from your parents or grandparents
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The power this origin could have is a pistol ; )
Supernatural, this is like vampires, werewolves, and any guy iun the horror film.
The power this origin can have is a chain.
Got any better powers to give these origins. ; ) what do you guys think?