Are Prices Dropping?

Really? That's odd, since post 16 contains a nicely worded statement that my claims were BS, not that you said something specific that could be (successfully) disagreed with separate from the OP's thesis.

I don't know if they are dropping, but I made a cool 16 mill just off of recipes, they were worth more than being crafted. Cha-ching.

I'm not sure how AFK farming is considered an exploit, if that were the case, a lot of posts would be deleted, and the whole thing would have been kaboshed a long time ago.

The drop rate is some where between 1:100, 1:150 on average.

Yeah. My take on this is that, in a way, the bar has been set too high on these things, too. Given the size of our PvP community, how useful these enhancements can be, and the time limiter put on their drop chance, they're too hard to obtain, and people doing this is a natural result.

That doesn't mean I don't expect the devs to drop some sort of hammer on this. My guess is that the only reason they haven't so far is because they're too focused on GR and any prerequisite Issue release to deliver a patch to address this.

I'm quite certain that if they do drop a hammer on the farming but do nothing else, the prices on basically all the decent PvPOs will slam into the 2B ceiling. Sadly, I also expect them to do just that, and then maybe come back later and revisit the drop rate/mechanism.

I have some small hope for a general rework of PvE-ish things PvP related in the near future, just because there was some mention of this back when Synapse addressed the various "defeat X" badges in the context of things like RV Pillboxes. Maybe the way these things drop might be addressed in that context as well.

I suppose another possibility for "fixing" this is for PvPOs to end up as regular PvE drops. There are a number of PvPOs that are quite desirable even if you don't intend to PvP. The +3% Defense unique, the -DR proc, the whole Targeted AoE set, various low-slot-count KB prot and +HP bonuses, the +heal/+end proc, Ranged Damage procs - all are examples of things that you can't find in existing PvE sets or might want to stack with what does exist. This has to contribute to their high demand.

To the people farming PVPIOs:

I've asked several people and EVERYONE is reporting less drops than usual.

Dubya Tee Eff mayte!

Yea the "only one shot to get the 1/100 chance that a recipe will actually drop every 5 mins" rep timer thing is just lame.

If they want to prevent farming and wish to make people actually pvp instead of just farm they might want to actually put some effort into the pvpo drop system. And defenitely take a look at the current pvp version 2.0 of course, but thats a discussion for another time.

Perhaps have the system record how long a fight is from first blow to finish, how many powers were used, amount of movement, how little insps/temps or how many were used and or some measure of how hard both combatants faught in a fight, etc. Then have some pvp credit or merits of some kind award based off that, so theres more incentive for active pvp. The more effort put in the sooner you get your reward.

Then you could just get a pvp recipe with credit/merits you've earned through fighting, be less farmeable and the market supply wouldnt suck as much as it does now.

Actually, I think that the pvp IOs should cost something in relation to pvp reputation.

I mean, according to my numbers, even the afk farmers would be sitting at something like 10-12 rep an hour (If 2 accounts[1v1]). Normal pvp, this rep accumulates at a much higher rate. I have made, in a matter of possibly 6 hours, 400 rep, on freedom doing zone.

The more you actually THINK about this system, the better it seems. It DOES NOT eliminate afk farming, but instead, provides an alternate means to the same goal.



Also, On the subject of afk pvp IO farms being against the rules.

Prove that I am afk, maybe I am simply watching a movie on youtube? Maybe I have my chat down?

The biggest issue here is likely the fact that this isn't game changing; provides maybe 80% (And thats at the low end of the spectrum) of PvP IOs being generated; and it helps the devs THINK that their drop rates are WORKING.

Your 1:70 number you've been tossing around is fairly close to the 1:60 I guesstimated back when you could still reliably farm these things in arena (60 kills per 30 minute match, usually at least one drop per match). I haven't bothered to get data since they nerfed that, since I just don't care that much.

also, 200 rep to claim an IO, 1 claim per day.
that's how i'd "fix" this trash.

Epsilon were you teamed at all for any of this?