i've noticed some of the yellow salvage dropping in price but thats about it.
Re: The PvP recipe not that surprising there were several posts on the boards about mass farming fests for the things other people posted afk farming methods. If that isn't a recipe for killing the goose that lays golden eggs I don't know what is.
I've noticed all the stuff I need going up in price.
Actually, I do see recipes shoot up to the price of crafted IOs sometimes. And there are major fluctuations when the supply of a salvage is less than 10 and there are more than 100 bidding [though that could be only two people bidding.]
That said, at certain levels you can pick up a perfectly good IO for 1 inf because everyone wants it a few levels higher. Even procs.
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AFK farming for those is pretty much a non issue in terms of generating enough supply to ever impact the market.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Re: The PvP recipe not that surprising there were several posts on the boards about mass farming fests for the things other people posted afk farming methods. If that isn't a recipe for killing the goose that lays golden eggs I don't know what is.
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Heh. Are you kidding? I'd bet you real world money that AFK farming is the primary supply of those on the market.
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you can afk farm for pvp ios? i'm sure this isn't the case.... could someone PM me with how one would go about NOT doing that?
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Originally Posted by RoboBug
you can afk farm for pvp ios? i'm sure this isn't the case.... could someone PM me with how one would go about NOT doing that?
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Well, you'd just make sure you don't ever go AFK in the arena with an auto power on. There are a few other creative options, but I'll leave that to your brain since you seem creative enough to ask for an exploit by not asking.
Which I really don't see any of that as an exploit. It is frowned upon by the devs, which is why we have the stupid rules on the drops right now, but I'd be shocked if anyone actually asserted that to be an exploit.
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Originally Posted by Tonality
What?
Well, you'd just make sure you don't ever go AFK in the arena with an auto power on. There are a few other creative options, but I'll leave that to your brain since you seem creative enough to ask for an exploit by not asking. Which I really don't see any of that as an exploit. It is frowned upon by the devs, which is why we have the stupid rules on the drops right now, but I'd be shocked if anyone actually asserted that to be an exploit. |
Character #1 is a MM. Character #1 summon minions.
Character #2 is a MM. Character #2 doesn't summon minions.
Hero side, you can do it with a fire controller and imps or even a character with a damage aura.
The only tricky thing is find an arena map with a consistent spawn point and then reset the arena every 30 mins. In low population servers, you can go out into an isolated part of SC and have a regen scrapper/stalker be a target and put revive on auto.
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People who bring real world money into an argument only suggest they don't have a clue what they are talking about. It just isn't an efficient enough method to do what you are suggesting.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Heh. Are you kidding? I'd bet you real world money that AFK farming is the primary supply of those on the market.
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Did you invent this little gem? If not, what's it based on? Does it make you feel big to suggest mysteriously that completely orthogonal concepts to the matter at hand reveal what people actually know about the matter at hand?|
Originally Posted by brophog02
People who bring real world money into an argument only suggest they don't have a clue what they are talking about.
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If you think that <edit>AFK</edit>farming for PvPIOs is inefficient then you either do not know how to do it and/or play on a server where very few other people know how to do it.
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One as cocksure as yourself ought to read the words more carefully before running at the mouth.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
If you think that farming for PvPIOs is inefficient then you either do not know how to do it and/or play on a server where very few other people know how to do it. |
I didn't misread, I missed a word in my reply.
"If you think that AFK farming for PvPIOs is inefficient then you either do not know how to do it and/or play on a server where very few other people know how to do it."
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It does help when communicating to not make such mistakes, since it does completely alter what is being said. No wonder you're forced to resort to brash bets that you know can never be resolved. That "orthogonal" was brought in and only addressed by you. I'd rather stay with the matter at hand rather than resorting to meaningless gestures in a foolish attempt to assert dominance. |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I didn't misread, I missed a word in my reply.
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Ah yes, back to AFK farming and your attempts (none in this thread, I might add) to prove that it is the primary source of market activity.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
AFK farming for those is pretty much a non issue in terms of generating enough supply to ever impact the market.
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I am going to make two very simple observations. One, There is a very very small supply of PVP IOs making it to the market. Given the very very limited availability it doesn't take much of a change in supply to impact the price. Two ,there is the intense desire of people to get something for nothing. AFK farming to some people may just seem like its something for nothing.
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For the record, I don't disagree with either of those obversations. That discounts the idea from uberguy that we have to know top secret people on secret servers in a dark alley to find out this efficient methodology. |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
I am going to make two very simple observations. One, There is a very very small supply of PVP IOs making it to the market. Given the very very limited availability it doesn't take much of a change in supply to impact the price. Two ,there is the intense desire of people to get something for nothing. AFK farming to some people may just seem like its something for nothing.
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.......which completely clashes with your post above that "the goose with the golden egg" was slain due to these efficient methods being leaked out on the boards. The idea of this thread is that the supply of these things is driving down the price. I don't think anyone has established that enough of these limited available items has suddenly hit the market to make that exact impact, and we've certainly not shown that it is being done specifically though AFK farming methods.
Interesting thread this is turning out to be...........
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Originally Posted by brophog02
For the record, I don't disagree with either of those obversations. That discounts the idea from uberguy that we have to know top secret people on secret servers in a dark alley to find out this efficient methodology.
.......which completely clashes with your post above that "the goose with the golden egg" was slain due to these efficient methods being leaked out on the boards. The idea of this thread is that the supply of these things is driving down the price. I don't think anyone has established that enough of these limited available items has suddenly hit the market to make that exact impact, and we've certainly not shown that it is being done specifically though AFK farming methods. Interesting thread this is turning out to be........... |
I say nothing about efficiency. I am not even certain how you would define efficiency in this context.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
I say nothing about efficiency. I am not even certain how you would define efficiency in this context.
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Bucko, I might remind you that you're the one who chose to actually respond to that particular part of my post. You didn't respond to my point, but rather to the thing I used to emphasize how strong I thought the point was. Worse, you then claimed without any supporting statements that my method of emphasis was an indicator of fallacy on my part.|
Originally Posted by brophog02
It does help when communicating to not make such mistakes, since it does completely alter what is being said. No wonder you're forced to resort to brash bets that you know can never be resolved. That "orthogonal" was brought in and only addressed by you.
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I think I smell herring with a hint of rose, served on a bed of ad homenim.
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| Ah yes, back to AFK farming and your attempts (none in this thread, I might add) to prove that it is the primary source of market activity. |
I'll give qualitative evidence and appeal to common sense.
On my home server alone, I know people who have been reporting getting 3-5 of the things a day. I chat in various channels with about 6 people who farm them, about 2 of whom do it pretty much every day. I know about 5 other people who do it on and off. I know two people who have used this to fully outfit at least one character with all the PvPOs they wanted - multiple sets.
There are additional people I don't know doing it. You can wander into PvP zones and find their setups not even especially hidden.
And that's just on one server.
Finally, I use the market and see the transaction rates for the things. I see how many are for sale and how often sales are made, and I can compare that to what the people I know are producing.
Is it proof? No one can offer you proof on a forum. You'd have to see it yourself or have reason to believe the people I know when they say they get drops or make sales. Nonetheless I am telling you it's what's going on. If for some godforsaken reason you want to focus instead about my betting money you were mistaken, it's no skin off my nose.
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Might try making an actual point that we can discuss. |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
You didn't respond to my point, but rather to the thing I used to emphasize how strong I thought the point was.
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So you did a lot of gesturing in the end, played the "trust me" game, employed a useless posturing argument (the bet) and delivered nothing more than what you've heard on the grapevine in regards to the impact of AFK farming on PVPIO drops. Furthermore, your ascertainment that AFK farming is the primary source of incoming product on the market is completely unsubstantiated.
I'm not surprised, given your previous tactics in this thread. You're obviously not up to answering the challenge. Is anyone else?
It is supposedly so common, and so much information has been leaked as to kill that golden egg laying goose and all we can get is second and third hand accounts that some drops might be happening, on one server.
That's kinda like believing space aliens are invading because a few bumpkins in Texas swear some other bumpkins saw them.
Not exactly a strong case being made here to the current strength of AFK farming on PVPIO drops.
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The amount of pvp IOs on the market can't be simply from pvp without some farming being involved, based on how ridiculously few people there are in the zones. Especially on Freedom. And with free server transfers having folks coming to freedom, and the pop being that small, there is no way the pvp ios on the market come from regular pvp alone.
EDIT: Just an fyi for folks who don't know . . . the drop rate for pvp IOs is abysmally low. I'd argue if you had 2 people, and one person farming and another doing pvp nonstop for a day, the person farming would drop more purples than the person pvping would get pvp IOs.
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Might try making an actual point that we can discuss.
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| I'd bet you real world money that AFK farming is the primary supply of those on the market. |
Do you now have a better grasp of the colloquial use of that phrase in this context? It's meant to emphasize that I believe this to be true to an extent that I would put something valuable on the line on the basis of the belief.
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WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
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Current rough estimates I've seen from the people doing the farming are on the order of a 1:100 chance for a drop, subject to the 5 minute suppression. People actively PvPing on Freedom concur with your assessment - actual PvP play provides less drops because the kill rate is meaningfully lower than one kill per 5 minutes. Sure, the kill rate may spike above that, but it's not sustained.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Just an fyi for folks who don't know . . . the drop rate for pvp IOs is abysmally low. I'd argue if you had 2 people, and one person farming and another doing pvp nonstop for a day, the person farming would drop more purples than the person pvping would get pvp IOs.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
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I thought that you can't do this in arena any more? Didn't they change it so you don't get rep in arena and to have a chance at a drop you have to earn rep when you do the kill?
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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
The only tricky thing is find an arena map with a consistent spawn point and then reset the arena every 30 mins. In low population servers, you can go out into an isolated part of SC and have a regen scrapper/stalker be a target and put revive on auto.
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You don't actually need to earn rep, you just need the kill to be rep eligible. That's a function of the timing system implemented.
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Originally Posted by Sardan
I thought that you can't do this in arena any more? Didn't they change it so you don't get rep in arena and to have a chance at a drop you have to earn rep when you do the kill?
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Just curious if anyone knows if there is a trend of falling prices in the Market. I have only been keeping track of the items I am selling/buying, however they have all been dropping (I hate finding new niches
). Then over the weekend, usually when the 'buy-it-nao-ers' are driving up prices, my bid for the Gladiator's Armor +3% Def went through at a mere 1.3 billion.
The only thing that I can think of that is going on now is the Free Server Transfers. Could they have an effect on the Market?
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