Solo Brutes


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So, I've played a few character on villian side and have 3 50s, but the only brutes I have is a 50 Elec/Shield and a 38 SS/EA.

I abandoned the SS/EA brute, because I feel that EA is pretty craptastic. I don't like it at all.

Elec/Shield was ok and had some pretty great tools, but I had some pretty good friends to team up with back then.

So, I was curious from those experienced with playing a lot of brutes, what are the best solo set combinations for a brute in your opinion.


 

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I am 99 percent Blueside, but I have dipped my toes redside.

Out of all the Brutes I have tried solo, two have stood out for being high in the fun factor.

SS/Willpower and Mace/Willpower.

I am not awake enough to say why they are so much fun for me...I do know that the SS builds fury quickly and that is good

Good luck.

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/WP is going to be one of, if not the single best secondary for solo brute.

Well rounded and good performance right out of the box.


 

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Originally Posted by Gospel_NA View Post
So, I've played a few character on villian side and have 3 50s, but the only brutes I have is a 50 Elec/Shield and a 38 SS/EA.

I abandoned the SS/EA brute, because I feel that EA is pretty craptastic. I don't like it at all.

Elec/Shield was ok and had some pretty great tools, but I had some pretty good friends to team up with back then.

So, I was curious from those experienced with playing a lot of brutes, what are the best solo set combinations for a brute in your opinion.
I have yet to play a brute I felt wasn't good at soloing. Having said that, I think EA is alright, I don't like shield very much but my favorite Brute secondaries are /Invuln and /Willpower. /WP is especially solo-able as it's got most of the bases covered with very few holes. Good defense, resistances, and regen, you're pretty able to handle most anything coming your way.

I run my axe/wp brute on +0/x8 and can absolutely devastate everything in my path


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I have yet to play a brute I felt wasn't good at soloing. Having said that, I think EA is alright, I don't like shield very much but my favorite Brute secondaries are /Invuln and /Willpower. /WP is especially solo-able as it's got most of the bases covered with very few holes. Good defense, resistances, and regen, you're pretty able to handle most anything coming your way.

I run my axe/wp brute on +0/x8 and can absolutely devastate everything in my path
I hope that isn't a lvl 50 brute at 0/8. If it is, that just isn't impressive in the slightest. At 50, I run at least +2/8 or maybe +3/8 if it is a sturdy build, or if I just am feeling spunky. +0 for anything above about lvl 15 or so is not worth the effort on a brute. Not flaming you for playing how you play, but if that is a high lvl brute, I think that is a poor example of what a solo brute is capable.

I think any primary works well for soloing. The only secondary I would stay away from on a solo toon is /stone armor. It will probably give you an inordinate amount of dmg mitigation compared to how many things you are killing and the speed at which you are killing them. It generally lacks mobility and is hideous to boot, but that is just my opinion admittedly.

I think WP is helpful for a brute largely because it gives you an endurance management tool that is more efficient than stamina at a very low lvl- allowing you to run toggles and still use attacks without running dry as quickly as some other builds.


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Anything/WP.

For my money, the sickest and most joyful of all brute combinations is claws/wp.

It is the most beautiful blender I have ever seen in this game.


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I hope that isn't a lvl 50 brute at 0/8.
No, still in my 30's with that one. I'm already considering upping it to +1/x8, but keep in mind I've only been playing with the new difficulties for about a month (I've been taking time off due to Dragon Age: Origins eating up all my game time lately). I've only just started buying some IOs. +0 x8 was the first new setting I tried and I'm still getting used to that.

I have one level 50 brute (SS/Invuln), and I haven't yet tried him out with the new difficulty settings. I used to run on Relentless back in the day, which is like +2/x1 more or less and that was way too easy. I'm sure I can do +3 easy, just not sure how big a virtual team size yet, as he's got an old pre-IO build that I'll probably want to respec.


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Aye, Willpower was, IMO, made specifically FOR (solo) Brutes. Rise to the Challenge is the soulmate of Fury.
Except for when you start killing too many of your meal tickets and your regen slows a bit lol. I always like to have a perma spawn on me to keep Rttc saturated.


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It sounds like willpower is unanimously seen as the best solo secondary.

It would also seem that no one primary has the definitive edge. However, I am likely to believe that Bill Z is right with claws.

I would imagine with low activation times, low endurance costs, and excellent mix of AoE and single target damage it is probably the superior solo primary.

All the input is extremely helpful and I imagine I have my secondary set, but what do you all think about the individual merits of various primarys as a solo brute?


 

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Fire/SR is a great solo build in the mid 30s+ game. Before that (pre IOs, etc), it can be painful.


 

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Originally Posted by Gospel_NA View Post
So, I've played a few character on villian side and have 3 50s, but the only brutes I have is a 50 Elec/Shield and a 38 SS/EA.

I abandoned the SS/EA brute, because I feel that EA is pretty craptastic. I don't like it at all.

Elec/Shield was ok and had some pretty great tools, but I had some pretty good friends to team up with back then.

So, I was curious from those experienced with playing a lot of brutes, what are the best solo set combinations for a brute in your opinion.
For my 2 cents, I've run with just about every brute secondary and for ME (it's all subjective anyhow), while willpower is indeed nice, I've personally had a much better time with my brutes that are ELA (post energize). The reason being that I can pretty much run willie-nillie with my powers without needing to slot for end redux thanks to powersink (so slotting acc\dmg\rchg). Willpower is nice, but it doesn't have end drain resistance and ELA does...so unlimited endurance + endurance drain resistance is killer for my play style. Willpower matures pretty early, while ELA matures at 35...so it's one of those sets that you have to be patient with, especially if you combine it with something that uses endurance like it's water (I'm looking at you stone\mace\axe\super strength).

My favorite toon right now for soloing is stone melee\ELA as he pretty much feels unstoppable, but my claws\dark is creeping up on my list for it's pure AoE potential.


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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba View Post
Anything/WP.

For my money, the sickest and most joyful of all brute combinations is claws/wp.

It is the most beautiful blender I have ever seen in this game.
This.

Out of the box I haven't leveled a stronger toon of any AT. I rarely see my health or endurance bars move and my only difficulty is finding enough enemies to "spin" with. The only let down is I'm not as happy with T8 and 9 powers of both sets.


 

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I would love to add my twopenneth worth into the fold .. I been playing with a lvl 50 elec melee/ shields brute and I have been soloing everything on +4/ 8 man teams with the one exception of nemesis as their vengence does not require a hit check and therefore bypasses defence. I have slotted 3 membrane exposures in to increase the defense debuff resistance and I have to say it is outstanding at everything.
I cannot see why you would need to play anything else if you have got it properly slotted you can solo anything (except nemesis )


 

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ss/shield and elec/shield are both fun


 

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I have two brutes: a WM/SR and a Fire/WP. Both are fun, and both kick ***, and in my experience both were good from the get-go. I find the biggest improvement one can make is early IO slotting. I go at 17 and load up on IO's. Some for set bonuses that'll help out. Some for frankenslotting.

As much as people say SR is a late bloomer, I found that some decent slotting early on made it a lot of fun and took care of most of the endurance issues. And routinely crushing 3-5 guys at a time with Shatter is sick, wicked, and nasty. Once I get some better defense values and recovery, I'll be cranking the difficulty way up and seeing what she can do.

Willpower will get most of the votes, and rightly so, but I'm liking SR.


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I've played a bucketload of Brutes to the high levels. Of those, some have been better than others.

By far my most enjoyable Brute is Lord of the Red Fist, my SS/Shield. Half of that is because I love the character concept and the powersets fit it perfectly, but the other half is that this build is also damned good fun to play. The sheer slaughterous destruction they can unleash is the sort of savage beauty seen in a catastrophic bushfire or a multiple-train derailment. There's no subtlety involved. Between Fury, Rage and Against All Odds there are so many damage buffs it's just silly. The combination of Shield Bash and Foot Stomp is like the total solar alignment that would tear Earth apart, except you get to do it every second fight. There is just something unspeakably awesome about charging through +3 enemies until you've got the entire aggro cap chasing you, then turning around, shattering their ranks with a Shield Bash, and then killing every last one with a Foot Stomp. They even work defensively, with the stupendous knockdown potential of SS compensating well for the relative suck of Shield's defenses on a Brute, especially if you take a detour into Air Superiority.

Now I don't know how powerful this build really is. I hate invention set fetishism, and will use them only so far as I get the inf to through normal play. My build is probably comically inefficient. But I have never played any other character that made me feel so truly powerful. From the first time you get a few attacks and realise that nearly every one you have is animated such that you are [/i] smashing people in the face with a shield[/i] to the moment you first use SB-FS it is a visceral experience. This character was so much fun that it overtook seven others in their 30s-40s on the way to 50.

The only niggling weakness with this character is that I can't use the two-handed smash KoB with the shield out. It would be so appropriate to the most damaging power I have to smash some poor chump in the face as hard as I can with a giant slab of rock, but apparently, no dice. This would be so good it's the top of my own list of animation fix priorities.


 

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I've tried a bunch out, my favorites are claws/SR and SS/SD. /willpower to me is more fun for scrappers, it does synergize well with fury, but I dont think I've ever had what I would consider to be a "fury problem" with any brute. Fury rises whether an attack hits or misses, and I really hate the way my survivability scales down and up depending on the mobs with /WP.

By comparison, claws/SR with Aid Self is pretty close to immortal, especially if you carry a few purples for emergencies. Its still a blender, but its a blender that laughs at most AVs.

SS/SD is just fun for the raw carnage. You're already going to be stacking recharge for rage and footstomp, once its softcapped it holds up really well, but my shield charge is also down to 21 seconds. A 21 second no crash nuke. Yeah, its beautiful to watch.


 

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Originally Posted by Gospel_NA View Post
So, I've played a few character on villian side and have 3 50s, but the only brutes I have is a 50 Elec/Shield and a 38 SS/EA.

I abandoned the SS/EA brute, because I feel that EA is pretty craptastic. I don't like it at all.

Elec/Shield was ok and had some pretty great tools, but I had some pretty good friends to team up with back then.

So, I was curious from those experienced with playing a lot of brutes, what are the best solo set combinations for a brute in your opinion.
I tried fire/EA and db/ElA. For EA, I think it's pretty ok after softcapping defense. You can couple the set with aid self and/or darkest night. I think it's not weak. The problem is defense debuff and psionic. If you avoid mobs like Cimerorans or Arachnos, EA can handle +2/x8.

For ElA, it turns out that it's not that squishy after slotting for defense IO bonus and using darkest night. I'm actually pretty happy about it. Both EA and ElA has endurance powers, so you can use the most endurance-heavy toggles, and slot in the most endurance inefficient way, which is not something other power sets can do.

They are probably not the best solo power set picks. Since wp and sr are so popular nowadays, if you want something different, the gimpest power sets actually work ok.