(Open letter) To marketing: Pre-order goodies.
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Calash,
Posted on: 2009-12-13 19:43 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
This isn't Cryptic so our devs don't have to dangle pre-order doodads to entice us to buy a shoddy product. Sure they'd be nice but I'd rather see everyone get them not just the pre-order gang. Let's hope they keep any goodies with the purchase of the live version.
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Well, remember that Cryptic is owned by another company (Atari), just as Paragon is owned by NCSoft. The devs don't necessarily have a say in this, which is why this is to marketing, not the devs |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
This isn't Cryptic so our devs don't have to dangle pre-order doodads to entice us to buy a shoddy product. Sure they'd be nice but I'd rather see everyone get them not just the pre-order gang.
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Yeah but the poor devs are the ones that get blamed for everything. I've yet to see a "Marketing hates us!" thread. |
Originally Posted by Psyte
Well, remember that Cryptic is owned by another company (Atari), just as Paragon is owned by NCSoft. The devs don't necessarily have a say in this, which is why this is to marketing, not the devs
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How do I get my Mohawk Grenade? |
Originally Posted by Psyte
"Pre-buy at Safeway and get a Shopping Cart emote!"
"Pre-buy at 7-11 and get a free 'create slurpee' power!" "Pre-buy at Amazon and get free in-game shipping for all emails!" "Pre-buy at GNC and get a free in-game exercise reminder timer power!" |
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I want a Shopping Cart emote
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This is true! Poor devs... blamed for everything, can't ever win... |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah but the poor devs are the ones that get blamed for everything. I've yet to see a "Marketing hates us!" thread.
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There should be a unofficial "Devs' Day" or something!
I work at Safeway, so the Shopping Cart emote seems right up my alley.
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ya know man, yesterday i saw a ds game which was basically a pedometer and a walking chart that went for 50 bucks, first party nintendo titles are only 35 bucks...so dont underestimate how many people may actually buy this|
Originally Posted by Psyte
"Pre-buy at GNC and get a free in-game exercise reminder timer power!"
~Psyte |
in reality, i understand the purpose of the preorder goodies, maybe sto went a bit overboard with theirs, but having goodies purchaseable in a pack wouldn't bug me that much.
So if I pre-Order mine at Backyard Kitchen, I can get /em barbecue? Sweet!
At this point, actually preordering anything is out of the question for me. I own the US version of the game, and so would presumably need the US version of Going Rogue, and purchasing that in Eastern Europe is out of the question. The CoV preorder I asked my brother to get for me, but that is no longer an option, so my only remaining option is online purchase. That means no preorder, and no preorder goodies.
Maybe I'm biassed, but yeah, I'd like to see a booster pack with the things somewhere down the line, the same as we saw for the GvE release and for the Mac release. I've never been a great believer in exclusivity, at least not forever and ever, so I have no problem with this.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Sigium
I work at Safeway, so the Shopping Cart emote seems right up my aisle.
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@Roderick
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No, I think you bring up some good points. Not everyone who can get a pre-order would be able to (especially those folks out of country for whatever reason). The GvE, Mac and even Architect Edition way of doing things makes the most sense for me, and in good COH fashion is pretty inclusive (eventually).
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Maybe I'm biassed, but yeah, I'd like to see a booster pack with the things somewhere down the line, the same as we saw for the GvE release and for the Mac release. I've never been a great believer in exclusivity, at least not forever and ever, so I have no problem with this.
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Well, Aion was preorderable on the PlayNC site, so you may be in luck. And you could always preorder via a friend if you trust anyone in the US enough.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
At this point, actually preordering anything is out of the question for me. I own the US version of the game, and so would presumably need the US version of Going Rogue, and purchasing that in Eastern Europe is out of the question. The CoV preorder I asked my brother to get for me, but that is no longer an option, so my only remaining option is online purchase. That means no preorder, and no preorder goodies.
Maybe I'm biassed, but yeah, I'd like to see a booster pack with the things somewhere down the line, the same as we saw for the GvE release and for the Mac release. I've never been a great believer in exclusivity, at least not forever and ever, so I have no problem with this. |
[CENTER]Euro side: [B]@Orion Star[/B] & [B]@Orions Star[/B][/CENTER]
If I pre-buy mine at PetSmart, will I get the line-of-baby-ducks-following-you-everywhere emote?
Why bother? They will just give away our pre-order gifts as vet rewards later on.
I think the OP is confusing pre-order with collectors edition goodies.
Preorder stays "exclusive" for a little bit, but since we don't (barring unethical stores) pay more for the preorder, NC/PS would have no problem giving them away to others later in some fashion (vet rewards, crafted pieces, earned via merits or what have you.) The only thing you need to get them, if history is a trend, is patience. And this is fine with me.
Collector's Edition stuff will stay "exclusive," since people *do* pay extra for it. Now, they may charge for others to get it - which, again, is fine with me - but that won't be given away.
Basically... don't sweat preorder stuff.
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Cryptic was not owned by anybody when CoH was created. NCSoft was the producer, true, but they did not own Cryptic.|
Originally Posted by Psyte
Well, remember that Cryptic is owned by another company (Atari), just as Paragon is owned by NCSoft. The devs don't necessarily have a say in this, which is why this is to marketing, not the devs
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Paraphrasing Jack Emmert, Cryptic sold itself to Atari so that they could afford to keep the lights on.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
#1 Open Letters on an interweb game forum are ... pick a fancier word than dumb with the same meaning...
#2 If you wanted to say something about PRE ORDERS you should have said something like, DO NOT PUT fancy pre order items in the boxes and then turn around and give that **** for FREE later on in the game.
I'm down with anything as long as it's available to buy later.
Branching Paragon Police Department Epic Archetype, please!
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Considering Euro folk never had a shot at any of the prestige sprints (aside from Slide, and some accounts randomly had Quick applied to them), and only had a single Arachnos helmet available, I think it was a good idea to include them in the Vetwards.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
#1 Open Letters on an interweb game forum are ... pick a fancier word than dumb with the same meaning...
#2 If you wanted to say something about PRE ORDERS you should have said something like, DO NOT PUT fancy pre order items in the boxes and then turn around and give that **** for FREE later on in the game. |
[CENTER]Euro side: [B]@Orion Star[/B] & [B]@Orions Star[/B][/CENTER]
Well, I don't think Gamestop is offering their pre-order goodies/exclusives for only collectors editions. Heck, they seem to have pre-order bonuses on every third game coming out these days. Left4Dead's baseball bat, MUO2's Juggernaut, Halo ODST's character, etc.
For example, Star Trek Online has seven different pre-order goodies, all from different places. Don't think the Collector's Edition is required.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/61508
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
#1 Open Letters on an interweb game forum are ... pick a fancier word than dumb with the same meaning...
#2 If you wanted to say something about PRE ORDERS you should have said something like, DO NOT PUT fancy pre order items in the boxes and then turn around and give that **** for FREE later on in the game. |
2. Nah. I can think of a few Vet Rewards I've got that I wish were available for folks from the get-go (and while not paid for in the "I bought them" sense, they are very much paid for). Likewise, I've got the COV:CE, and if all that stuff I had gotten (in-game) was made available for other players, that's fine with me too.
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That's just disgusting to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Psyte
For example, Star Trek Online has seven different pre-order goodies, all from different places. Don't think the Collector's Edition is required.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/61508 |
[CENTER]Euro side: [B]@Orion Star[/B] & [B]@Orions Star[/B][/CENTER]
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Hence the original post! |
Originally Posted by Orion_Star_EU
That's just disgusting to be honest.
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Hi guys!
Right now I've got some money set aside to pre-order Going Rogue, eagerly awaiting for when I can do so.
One of the trends I've seen is store-specific goodies. Now, COV had this, and it wasn't too big a deal, but some companies out there are getting a bit ridiculous in terms of what's being offered.
"Pre-buy at Safeway and get a Shopping Cart emote!"
"Pre-buy at 7-11 and get a free 'create slurpee' power!"
"Pre-buy at Amazon and get free in-game shipping for all emails!"
"Pre-buy at GNC and get a free in-game exercise reminder timer power!"
So on and so forth.
Now, while neat in concept, I have to admit its a little obnoxious. Not all of us have store X, Y or Z in our area, for instance, to pre-buy from. Likewise, if you want more than one it would get expensive quickly, even assuming you could have multiple goodies per account. And, honestly, with today's economy, some folks might not be able to pre-buy anyhow, leaving them out of luck. Now, I'm sure retailers are offering incentives to you guys in exchange for these things, and I can readily appreciate that (especially if it means additional promotion/advertising). This is important stuff!
So, what to do?
I ask, that should Going Rogue have pre-order goodies, that the program be a mix between what is normally seen these days and what you guys are doing normally with the various editions of City of Heroes: have the special version and the goodies available ala carte. If they ask for a period of exclusivity, hey, fine by me. That's understandable, and quite reasonable to boot.
The idea of Joe and Jane Consumer pre-buying COH:GR from where they can (for however much that will be) and late on being able to buy the other goodie packs as they like at a reasonable cost is a winning combination, I think. I pre-buy today from a retail partner (which makes them happy), then six months to a year later I can buy the other packs for maybe $10 each? That makes me happy and hopefully you guys too.
I'm quite excited by GR, as are many of my friends. However, we don't want to go through the same ordeal some other game companies are putting their future-customers through. Please, step up and show them a better way to do things!
~Psyte