Would you have been on the Omega Team?
Hey, good question.
My very first character Maiden Canada would probably go, which would be especially sad for me because she is just a teenager, with a whole life ahead of her. She has that Spiderman mentality though, so she wouldn't be able to live with herself if she didn't do everything she could to help out.
A few of my others may have gone along as well, but a number of them would possibly try to find an alternative.
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Despite being a villain, Grinning Spade really loathes the Rikti and others of their ilk, if he had been active during the war he probably would have fought them as hard as he could. If asked, he might have been tempted to come. It would have depended on what have happened during the war to him and people he cared about. Yes, he might become a hero after all in the end.
A bit confused by the question...
Would my characters, if I was playing them In Character, go? - I think this is what you mean... And the answer is yes. Each of my three mains would go.
Caemgen would have very mixed reasons for going (heroic reasons, tired of being a demon faced human reasons, etc) but he would go.
Fenian Girl would be scared out of her wits but wouldn't be able to turn down Hero 1 and thereafter would feel too trapped by having said yes, by her innate goodness to bail out.
Daybreaker Alpha in many ways would prefer to just sit back, let the world spin, and drink beer as it happened... But at the end of the day he has a kind of soldier mentality that forces him to put up the fight that needs to be put up, no matter the odds or inconvienence to himself.
But I also almost read your question as to if I would send my character (as a game character) on a suicide mision... Would I enter a Task Force which, if failed (and maybe if won), meant deletion...
That I would find a silly thing to do since there is no upside... No betterment for anything by doing it.
It's one thing to make a sacrifice for something... Another thing entirely to do it for nothing.
I don't play magic characters, with the lone exception of this holiday's "fun" character of the Nutcracker Rat King. Since magic appears to have been a requirement for Omega Team, I'd probably be handed two pom poms and told to cheer.
In addition, Ace Barnstormer, Superfortress, and the other tech members of the Flying Circus SG were given their tech as a retro-engineering from the Ritki War so they truly are the next generation of heroes and could not have participated. Control Tower, the lone mutant among them, was a shy, scared low-level one, and didn't want anyone to see his powers at the time, so no go with him either.
Now a suicide launch like Omega, practically every character would do it. Nearly all my heroes are cut in the cloth of the old radio and pulp heroes: sacrificial and pure to the core, despite any dark appearance. Even my brute, Fightanic, would rise to the challenge. However, my mastermind Bowery Duke would balk at it, and seek a more surreptitious and survivable means of accomplishing the same goal.
My main would happily go and as a magic origin creature that has already handled the RWZ challenge and solos pylons for fun, he would have been a valuable part of the team.
No doubt slaughtering thousands upon thousands of Rikti before being taken down.
However, he wouldn't deserve any heroic accolades for doing so. Upon his demise, he'd just end up back in Hell where he would go about creating a new body to send back to Paragon.
Not really a sacrifice when you can come back from the dead.
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First off, I think, we have to discard the loosey-goosey notion of "death" as it has come to be portrayed in comics, ie, an inconvenience. Nobody stays dead. I have been surprised to see characters that have been dead since at least the '60s show up saying, "I got better."
So if "dead" means "all dead" as in "Go through his clothes and look for loose change" dead instead of "mostly dead," then the question has some meaning.
Melancton would go.
"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
My forum namesake, Gehnen, would go. He's one of those annoying "unfailing honor" types. He's dedicated to eradicating fear as a way to control people, and the Rikti certainly embody that.
As far as an in-game mechanic devised to simulate a desperate last stand in which your character gets permanently deleted? Hmm...
Well if the devs make it canon, I'd consider it.
It's a neat question, but I do have issues reconciling the need for character "death" with it being me behind the keyboard. In the fictional setting, I definitely have characters who would go on such a mission in such dire circumstances. After all, the Rikti seemed poised to wipe out all life on Earth, and even a lot of villains would rally (possibly poorly) to try to prevent that.
I don't know how we could reasonably translate that through the screen to us as players. I wouldn't send my well-liked characters on a TF where they get deleted at the end. I'm not sure what they could do to motivate me to do such a thing. To have analogy with the events of the Omega Team's sacrifice, they'd have to arrange something like a raid where if failed the game would shut down forever... something that seems unlikely at best.
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To have analogy with the events of the Omega Team's sacrifice, they'd have to arrange something like a raid where if failed the game would shut down forever... something that seems unlikely at best.
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Given a decent story line and such I could imagine (not see actually happening but see theoretically) a task force that had to be completed by enough teams or Orobourus (sp? I usually get it wrong) would be destroyed forver... No more doing missions you missed, no more using it as a shortcut from one zone to another, etc...
Or (again, would never happen but theoretically) something that if failed would mean the utter destruction of the Rogue Islands.
These would never happen but in theory if it was would you risk a character?
There's no way in hell my main character, Pink Lioness, would have gone. She would figure that she's much more useful on Earth and alive than stranded in the Rikti homeworld. She's quite arrogant for a hero mind you, and had Hero 1 approached her with the proposal to join the Omega Team, she would have told him to find a rusty pipe and do naughty things to himself with it.
One of my alts named Oversear would have been the first in line though. Her story is that she is already a superhero from another dimension who came to our own dimension to sort out a problem that was effecting her homeworld, so she's not a stranger to dimension-hopping. Plus she's a hero's hero and always strives to do the right thing, regardless of what it costs her personally.
Actually, the choice is a no-brainer.
The situation the Omega team faced was that they were losing a war to a foe that was going to kill them all anyway.
It's was a choice of sure death by doing nothing, or probable death by possibly saving the world.
No-brainer.
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Well it could just be game changing rather than game killing...
Given a decent story line and such I could imagine (not see actually happening but see theoretically) a task force that had to be completed by enough teams or Orobourus (sp? I usually get it wrong) would be destroyed forver... No more doing missions you missed, no more using it as a shortcut from one zone to another, etc... Or (again, would never happen but theoretically) something that if failed would mean the utter destruction of the Rogue Islands. These would never happen but in theory if it was would you risk a character? |
I have no investment in those things. I mean, sure, some of them, like Ouroboros, represent game features I would sure as heck miss. But I would have zero reason to invest some of my favorite characters in trying to save them. That's where the analogy breaks down. The characters in the fictional setting knew that everyone on earth would probably die if they didn't try what the Omega Team planned. In a game changing event... well, uh.. so? I hated the GDN and ED, and I still wouldn't have risked a favorite character had there somehow been a TF that could have prevented them. At best, I might have PL'd a sacrificial character to send to their doom.
I think that fundamental disconnect really flounders the original question.
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
My first 50 and long-time main Retail Retali8r would - because she's from another universe where they lost the war and the efforts to stop the mothership wound up having it land *on Paragon* instead of in the hills nearby. Imagine the entirety of Talos being covered by it, and the flooding - not to mention the damage done to the underground Oranbega? Those things would definitely provoke her to help do things differently.
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I don't have any magic characters, but I would have gone if I did.
Not all of Omega Team was wiped out, as the two sisters in the LGTF have proven. Perhaps there are other survivors that we don't know about.
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I'm pretty much with you on that, Uber, but it's the closest I could think to make the two analogous at al...
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It would be a multi-day or multi-week event, with different campaigns to save different parts of the city. This would make it possible for victory to be a "back and forth" thing.
If enough of the city was saved, then the server would not be shut down. However, you would not be given a free server transfer to return to your original server. You'd either have to stay in your new home or pay your own way back.
If you failed, the server would shutdown and any characters on the server at the time will be deleted.
Would you risk a character then?
From an RP-style point of view, I have a few magic-based heroes who would volunteer. In fact, probably most of them. Only one or two of my villains would, as a matter of pride. Most would not, however.
If you had the chance to take that alt on the Omega team and know almost certainly that they would be destroyed, completely, with no chance of getting them back and no way of remaking them either.
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Yes, Omega Team was stranded on another planet. Yes, that planet was presumably very hostile. But let's not forget that Alpha Team's diversionary assault was against a vastly superior army; it was basically a suicide mission. Out of 1,000 heroes on the Alpha Team, over 800 died. Even before we knew the fates of some of the Omega Team, we knew that at least Ajax survived of the fifty Omega Team members. If you do the math, your odds of surviving were actually better if you were on the Omega team, even if all of the other members had been wiped out. (Which, of course, we now know they weren't.)
Add to that the fact that the Alpha Team was only a diversion, and thus being on that team would have meant almost certain death with very little individual recognition, serving only as a decoy for someone else to get the glory.
If you're asking whether your hero would be willing to make the real ultimate sacrifice, to me, that would be asking if your hero would be willing to step up to the plate and serve on the Alpha Team, not Omega. I picture Alpha Team like the D-Day invaders. They knew they were going to be brutally cut down, many being used as nothing more than human meat shields with the only consolation being that the guy ten rows behind them might get a lucky shot or well-thrown grenade. But still, they went and did what had to be done.
As for my heroes, some would probably do it, some wouldn't. As for me personally, if I really thought it would be the end of the world, I'd do it. What would I have to lose?
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
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If you're asking whether your hero would be willing to make the real ultimate sacrifice, to me, that would be asking if your hero would be willing to step up to the plate and serve on the Alpha Team, not Omega.
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So I am again struck by the contrast between Statesman as he is presented in the background materials for CoH, namely an inspirational leader who was willingly followed into battle by 800 heroes who did not survive, and the utter [fill in your favorite profane expressions here] in the CoH comics (save the depiction by Troy Hickman and a few other instances.) Making Statesman a [same stuff here] made for a convenient plot device, but let's face it: nobody would have stayed a member of the Freedom Phalanx with a leader like THAT, much less followed him to almost certain death.
Your overarching point, however, is a good one: the Alpha team certainly knew they were not headed to a Sunday Picnic, either, and credit ought to be given where it is due for them as well.
"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
Traceur woudl be hesitant, but ultimately join the Omega Team- he can be hilariously self-certered and convinced that he's god's (specicfally Hermes') gif tto mankind...but he really is a decent sort and would jump at the chance.
Plus, he loves defying death and taking wild risks, and well...a mission like that is too much to pass up.
I do agree with Tony on the alpha team thing (and incidentally is why a lot of my blue-side characters are willing to cut States a break and defend him when the argument crops up- the guy has, is doing and likely will do a lot of good work, even if he can be a stick in the mud sometimes). My main, Lunar Eclipse, wouldn't hesitate: He knows he's not a big hitter (He's more of an investigator, really), but he will do every little bit he can to help people.
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I do have a magic based character and he would definately go.
If it required the sacrifice, then he would have made it. He would however, have done his level best to not make it a one way mission!
Even my main and namesake would have gone if asked. Since he isn't magic, he would have hunted Statesman down and demanded to be put on Alpha and would have been on the front lines!
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Tsumiju Zero would be doing one of two things to answer this question...
1) Getting someone to work out the average rate of Rikti troops that could be ganked here in Paragon over say 2-3 years against the rate of ganking done on the homeworld in several hours. Whichever is the biggest number wins.
2) Packing some kind of picnic hamper and trying to decide which of his various swords would be best suited for dealing with Rikti armor...
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This is actually an easy question since one of my most beloved alts would not only go but would have threatened Hero One's life if he didn't take her.
Granted, Whispering Swan is a villain, but she has a serious hatred of all things Rikti. She would volunteer to be the one carrying a planet buster bomb with a manual trigger, simply because she would take as many of the SOB's with her as possible. Many Rikti would die from sonic shock, broken limbs and fingernail gouges before she let them win.
Yes, she has issues. And we love her for it.
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The only magical origin character I have is Bianca Tallin. She was only 12 years old during the Rikti invasion of 2002 and the events of that night were pivotal in her origin stories, which are still posted on VirtueVerse.
It's hard to tell what she would have done. At the time, she was a non-powered child, but the answer to the question largely depends on what period of time during her development you are talking about.
Are you talking about the bitter, spiteful girl who blamed Statesman for the death of her family and would have done anything to kill him?
Or are you talking about the girl who saw the ultimate future that her poisonous obsession would cause?
Or are you talking about the woman who literally spent years using Oroborous to travel through time so that she could learn the counterspells and magic necessary to stop herself from causing that very future from happening?
Early on, there is no way she would have gone. After she matured and witness the sobering thing she witnessed, she would have, even though the world still believes her to be a villain.
No. My characters are needed on the Alpha team.
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We all have at least one Alt thats precious to us. One that we've played with for years or just a short time but somehow seems "right" for us.
For me it's Heart Attack, over 4 years play and somehow very special to me.
So thinking about that special Alt.
If you had the chance to take that alt on the Omega team and know almost certainly that they would be destroyed, completely, with no chance of getting them back and no way of remaking them either.
It'd be like taking them on a TF and knowing that even if you succeed the alt is gone for ever.
Would your special Alt be in the Omega team or would you try to get onto the Alpha team?
Me, I think I'd bottle, Heart on the other hand would be there like a shot. After all he's a hero, I'm just a player.