Hero MM?


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Apologies if this has been asked previously, but are there any plans to develop a MM-like archtype for the Hero side?


 

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Yeah, bring your MM heroside when Going Rogue comes out. Other than that, no.


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More specificically, since I wouldn't be surprised if you're a bit out of the information loop as a first-time poster, here's what the Going Rogue expansion will let you do.

- Take a Hero or a Villain into morally grey territory, becoming a Vigilante or Rogue respectively, who have access to the zones on both sides (but still use things like the Markets only native to their original side).

- Take a Hero or Villain all the way across to now being a full member of the other faction, with access to their markets and whatnot.

- Stick with your original faction, and earn extra rewards for doing so.

- Start any AT from either side as a neutral character in Praetorian Earth, and decide through the storyline whether they're going to become a Hero or Villain.

So no new pet-based ATs that we've been told of, or any New ATs at all for that matter, but All ATs are effectively going to be for Heroes and Villains both.


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Hmmm, hero masterminds:

GI Joe
Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids
any bad turned good street gang
sports team?
Johnny Socko and his Giant Robot


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Originally Posted by Psylenz View Post
Hmmm, hero masterminds:

GI Joe
Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids
any bad turned good street gang
sports team?
Johnny Socko and his Giant Robot
I lol'd


 

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Originally Posted by Psylenz View Post
sports team?
I think soccer teams would be villains, but other than that....


 

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Originally Posted by Delta_Strider View Post
I think soccer teams would be villains, but other than that....
I think you're confusing soccer with hockey.


 

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I feel like they should add an AT as unique as MMs for heros (impractical, I know, but still).


 

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Originally Posted by Scythus View Post
I think you're confusing soccer with hockey.
Hockey is designed to be rough and generally dangerous. With high speed metal and sticks going every which way no one expects it to turn out pretty, but then no eviscerations happen so it's actually boring. . Soccer is a fairly slower sport, so it's more unexpected when players start throwing clotheslines, headbutts, and full-on nutcracker kicks, which energize the stadium fans which then take to the streets in total anarchy.

I have to say out of the two, Soccer is the Mastermind sport; It looks non-threatening, but then elbows you to the ground and tramples you to death.


 

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Originally Posted by macskull View Post
Yeah, bring your MM heroside when Going Rogue comes out. Other than that, no.
And I (and many others) plan to do just that.

Remember you'll be able to create them in Preatoria, as well, so that's pretty much halfway there.

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Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids
OMG...

I almost, almost want to create that now. Hopefully someone will.

The MM, of course, would have to be Bill Cosby himself.


 

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Only one I can't really get is a necromancer hero. Sending wave after wave of mouldering corpses at people just seems inherently villainous. I guess they can claim nobody except bad guys are hurt in the process...all at the cost of a little bit of graverobbing and defilement.


 

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Being able to control the dead doesn't make a person inherently evil. Think "Deadly Girl" from a movie called The Specials. Even though she summons demons, she's a superhero.

Also if you wanted to tweak an RP spin to raising zombies from the dead. Lets say a Gypsy Witch w/ a bag of enchanted bones. These bones are the bones of her ancestors and are enchanted to summon her family to help her fight evil.

Any primary with the right concept fits either faction with enough thought.

I mean look at Assault Rifle Defenders, could easily RP tweak that with no problem. For concept don't take flamethrower or ignite and say all the bullets are tranqs. Could still take the other two powers and claim to be "smoking out" the villains.


 

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Personally, I've never felt raising people from the dead and using them as your minions to fight evil was any worse that draining the life force from victims and using it to feed yourself. Yet the Dark powers have been available to heroes since the game came out. If there's any power set that should be limited to villains it's those, but they aren't, and so any claim that some power is inherently "too evil to be heroic" seems disproved by that.

And really, the Marvel hero Cloak of Cloak and Dagger is a good example of a Dark power set being used for good. Cloak cannot really ignore his hunger for light, he's like a vampire, and yet he forces himself only to drain the light of criminals, and only enough to capture them, not kill them. It takes a lot MORE effort to use his power that way, which to me is what makes him heroic. He has "evil" within him, but he controls it to do good, and I think a heroic Necro MM would be the same way.

Of course, you might argue such a concept is more a Vigilante than a Hero, but Going Rogue has that covered too.


 

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Originally Posted by Gypsy_of_Paradox View Post
Being able to control the dead doesn't make a person inherently evil. Think "Deadly Girl" from a movie called The Specials. Even though she summons demons, she's a superhero.

Also if you wanted to tweak an RP spin to raising zombies from the dead. Lets say a Gypsy Witch w/ a bag of enchanted bones. These bones are the bones of her ancestors and are enchanted to summon her family to help her fight evil.
Or the zombies could be volunteers. People who wanted to be heroes; or bodies donated like real world people do for science or organ donations. Or she could actually work for them, if they are sentient undead.


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I always thought that the illusion control set was kind of mastermindish.


 

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Originally Posted by Tycho_Caine View Post
Apologies if this has been asked previously, but are there any plans to develop a MM-like archtype for the Hero side?
Answer: No, not specifically develop a archetype for hero-side.

However, Going Rogue will allow you to basically switch sides, almost. But not quite, being a "Redeemed" Villain.

The closest thing you'd get to a MM on hero-side, is a Illusion Controller, which, isn't a true MM, but its close enough.


 

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Originally Posted by Iannis View Post
Only one I can't really get is a necromancer hero. Sending wave after wave of mouldering corpses at people just seems inherently villainous. I guess they can claim nobody except bad guys are hurt in the process...all at the cost of a little bit of graverobbing and defilement.
My necromancer (who will likely be a Rogue once it's available) binds the souls of the damned and forces them to serve him. He summons them up from Hell (or wherever souls of the damned usually hangout in the CoX cosmology). They're the souls of the absolute worst of humanity, now forced to serve as part of their punishment.

This character is kinda pseudo-heroic: he's not an inherently bad guy, but he's an "end justifies the means" kind of amoral anti-hero. He's a great candidate for Going Rogue.


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This is over the top mental slavery.

 

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While I agree that goodie heroes would frown upon using dark arts like necromancy, I also think it's entirely possible for them to be heroic. A prime example is Diablo 2 where you use the remains of your enemies as allies. It's this very reason that I think defenders should get poison.


 

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Originally Posted by Delta_Strider View Post
Hockey is designed to be rough and generally dangerous. With high speed metal and sticks going every which way no one expects it to turn out pretty, but then no eviscerations happen so it's actually boring. . Soccer is a fairly slower sport, so it's more unexpected when players start throwing clotheslines, headbutts, and full-on nutcracker kicks, which energize the stadium fans which then take to the streets in total anarchy.

I have to say out of the two, Soccer is the Mastermind sport; It looks non-threatening, but then elbows you to the ground and tramples you to death.

In the UK the action takes place after the match - the fans tend to get themselves wound up into a state.



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Originally Posted by Scythus View Post
I think you're confusing soccer with hockey.
You've never been to a Mexican soccer match. I have, and I ended up in the middle of a massive fight between a few players and fans of the opposite team, and quite literally had to fight my way to a different part of the stadium. Punching, kicking, and a few arm locks later, I realized that the fight followed me around the stadium at which point I left and went home.

No, I am not even close to kidding.


 

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I can see a hero version of MM"s being "Army style" foot soldiers,special forces, and such or even a "civilian type" minute men, police, and S.W.A.T. also we could have generic heros with standard powers since we can now change colors to the powers (a.k.a color outfits on said heros),but those are a couple of thoughts that come to mind for hero MM's.


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I've already rolled a bots/dark on freedom that's going hero the second GR comes out.


 

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If you take something like the old British TV series the Avengers or New Avengers, or even Stingray and Thunderbirds, then you've got a perfect model for heroic type MMs.



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True, the Mission Impossible format from the 60s/70s TV series comes to mind. I despise the Tom Cruise movies.


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I think they'll have to change the name and probably the look of hero mastermind thugs because basically you cant be a hero thug unless your staying in grey territory. Hmmm a hero that kills the villains around a hapless citizen so he/she can mug that person, that gives me a few ideas now!