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Am I the only person that sees something wrong with players coming to the forums and asking for other people to make them a build? No, I am not talking about people who post up their own builds and ask for a review or assistance or comments. I am talking about people who just come and flat out ask for someone to make a build for them that is "Godly". It comes across as many things, but lazy is pretty much at the top of the list.
What are your thoughts?
Personally, I enjoy making my own toons and builds the way I like. Sure, I peruse the guides found here online and take advice from friends, but I can honestly say I have never just copied and pasted an entire build from someone else into creation. Part of the fun for me is picking powersets, picking costumes, and enhancing the toon the way I like. Does anyone else feel like that?


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Hey, I've been wanting to make a Fire/Fire/Fire scrapper. Got anything for me?

Seriously, though, what bothers me is the 'inf is no object' posts. Really? You mean that you've got billions and billions ready to spend on PvP IO's and purples? Cool. Can I have some?


 

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I think there's no harm in asking.

A lot of people enjoy putting builds together without ever considering actually playing the character, I know I do. Some of us are born number crunchers and find it fun, some aren't and find it difficult and no fun. There's nothing wrong with asking for help.


 

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My thought is that the OP is taking these forums a bit too seriously if he's getting bothered by people posting on them. They're discussion forums. On the internet. About a computer game. It doesn't get much further divorced from the general category of "things that are worth getting upset about" than that.

If you don't like the posts, don't read or respond to them. Problem solved.


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Originally Posted by Jabbrwock View Post
My thought is that the OP is taking these forums a bit too seriously if he's getting bothered by people posting on them. They're discussion forums. On the internet. About a computer game. It doesn't get much further divorced from the general category of "things that are worth getting upset about" than that.

If you don't like the posts, don't read or respond to them. Problem solved.
Ahhh... but this is a discussion, is it not? That is what we are all here to do.
For the record, I never said I was bothered, I just said I see something wrong with it. I never used the word upset either.
Also, I don't like those posts, and I don't respond to them.
Thanks for responding.


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I think there's no harm in asking.

A lot of people enjoy putting builds together without ever considering actually playing the character, I know I do. Some of us are born number crunchers and find it fun, some aren't and find it difficult and no fun. There's nothing wrong with asking for help.
I suppose I find a disparity between someone asking for help and someone just asking for you to do the work for them entirely.


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I find the controller boards have been swamped at times asking for people to review builds for various fire/kins. Of course, people could take the time to read the many topics already created and ascertain information for themselves, but for some reason that doesn't have the appeal of making a new thread about the same old subject. If only there were some place these people could find some sort of guide to what they want... hmm.


 

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i see nothing wrong with asking. i also see nothing wrong with replying 'no' in response or not even replying at all.

Personally, when i ask about builds i start by posting my build and asking for suggestions. Generally my post also states what i'm trying to do with the build. Cue discussion.

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Originally Posted by Jabbrwock View Post
My thought is that the OP is taking these forums a bit too seriously if he's getting bothered by people posting on them. They're discussion forums. On the internet. About a computer game. It doesn't get much further divorced from the general category of "things that are worth getting upset about" than that.

If you don't like the posts, don't read or respond to them. Problem solved.
Dare I point out the irony here?


 

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Originally Posted by magikwand View Post
Am I the only person that sees something wrong with players coming to the forums and asking for other people to make them a build? No, I am not talking about people who post up their own builds and ask for a review or assistance or comments. I am talking about people who just come and flat out ask for someone to make a build for them that is "Godly". It comes across as many things, but lazy is pretty much at the top of the list.
What are your thoughts?
Personally, I enjoy making my own toons and builds the way I like. Sure, I peruse the guides found here online and take advice from friends, but I can honestly say I have never just copied and pasted an entire build from someone else into creation. Part of the fun for me is picking powersets, picking costumes, and enhancing the toon the way I like. Does anyone else feel like that?
I agree with you... and I have said as much in those lazy peoples' threads. One person simply listed a bunch of things like some entitled laundry list, didn't capitalize anything, didn't even throw a please or thanks in there, and then bumped his own thread like 10 minutes later...

It was pretty ridiculous.



 

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Dare I point out the irony here?
Not so much irony as a "pot meet kettle" scenario.



 

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I suppose I find a disparity between someone asking for help and someone just asking for you to do the work for them entirely.
Well, it depends what you mean by work. I think words like "work" and "lazy" suggest some kind of work ethic which isn't really appropriate to a game.

I kind of enjoy writing down lists of powers and IO sets in a notebook, adding up all the positional defences and then screwing up the piece of paper and throwing it in a bin. Its not work, its play. If another player who would find that tiresome and frustrating wants to capitalise on my love of these activities, good on them.

On the other hand, I would find setting up a supergroup and opening it to the public, or starting a task force to be a real headache. I'm quite happy to freeload on other people who do so, but I dont think that makes me lazy or the people who set up these things should feel exploited. They're doing what they love, I'm doing what I love, as it should be in a game.


 

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Since I've started tagging all the archetype sub-forums, I've noticed that in general the "Someone build me a...." posts get far fewer responses than the "Here's my stab at a ..., anyone have any comments?" threads. Just asking isn't doing any harm in my opinion, but it certainly doesn't seem to be the best way to get input.


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Well, it depends what you mean by work. I think words like "work" and "lazy" suggest some kind of work ethic which isn't really appropriate to a game.

I kind of enjoy writing down lists of powers and IO sets in a notebook, adding up all the positional defences and then screwing up the piece of paper and throwing it in a bin. Its not work, its play. If another player who would find that tiresome and frustrating wants to capitalise on my love of these activities, good on them.

On the other hand, I would find setting up a supergroup and opening it to the public, or starting a task force to be a real headache. I'm quite happy to freeload on other people who do so, but I dont think that makes me lazy or the people who set up these things should feel exploited. They're doing what they love, I'm doing what I love, as it should be in a game.
Good point. I just find it hard to believe that people really enjoy making ridiculously specific IO builds for people they don't know. If they do, well, then as you said, it's all good. I am just not one of those people.

I am one of those folks who tries really hard not to worry about enhancements very much, I slot common lvl 35 IOs at 32... just so I don't have to worry about changing them out much on the ride to 50.



 

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Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven View Post
Not so much irony as a "pot meet kettle" scenario.
Yeah, pretty much. But hey, if he feels the need to complain about one thing, I can spare the electrons to complain about another.


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I think there's no harm in asking.

A lot of people enjoy putting builds together without ever considering actually playing the character, I know I do. Some of us are born number crunchers and find it fun, some aren't and find it difficult and no fun. There's nothing wrong with asking for help.
Im in mids making bulds I'll never use whenever im bored. I've probably got over 100 builds in there now. :/


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I play on a mac, and I dont get to play with mids. So when I make a build and post up the options for every slot, but its not in mids format, more people get mad at me for doing that. So I normally ask for help (because there are people out there that are great with numbers) and have feild tested their builds to show me theirs, or make me a "Dream build" doesent mean I have enough for this build, just gives me somthing to work towards.

Cheers.


 

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It depends on how the post "sounds".

If it's a noob looking for a farming build because they want moar pretend moniez, without even having played most of the game, that'll make me roll my eyes.

If it's a vet who has a character they love and want it to be the best it can be but are simply lost on how to do accomplish this, I gladly offer help.

And there's all sorts of shades in between.


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when IO set came in, for me i got no clue on what to do really for a build number wise as there are soo many i could make a poor build from it though poor planing/no understanding of them.

to me these are IO set are elite armour in other games, this was my reason to stay when i 1st started as there wasn't a true elite armour apart i guess HSO.

i have asked for help in understanding IO set as i like to give it a go, but i couldn't ask for a build someone else has made as to me that has taken my toon away from me that i have build and i don't want to experiment with io set for i wouldn't know what is letting me down in them due to poor understanding of them

respecing become a issue when im slot as im total lost at what lvl im at and i know i place some slot powers at the wrong lvl but at what lvl i got no clue


 

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Originally Posted by magikwand View Post
Am I the only person that sees something wrong with players coming to the forums and asking for other people to make them a build? No, I am not talking about people who post up their own builds and ask for a review or assistance or comments. I am talking about people who just come and flat out ask for someone to make a build for them that is "Godly". It comes across as many things, but lazy is pretty much at the top of the list.
What are your thoughts?
Personally, I enjoy making my own toons and builds the way I like. Sure, I peruse the guides found here online and take advice from friends, but I can honestly say I have never just copied and pasted an entire build from someone else into creation. Part of the fun for me is picking powersets, picking costumes, and enhancing the toon the way I like. Does anyone else feel like that?
I think that its a video game, and that you take said video game far too seriously. I think that assigning "laziness" to people is a way to say "look at all the effort I put into this game, doesn't that make me cool?"

It doesn't, by the way. Its a past time, and a past time that requires little skill and lots of rote memorization at that.

I ask for builds and share all of mine, because I don't want to play something to thirty only to find that it doesn't do what I want it to do. I want sets that fit my playstyles, and asking for builds is one way of finding out "what can this AT do in optimum circumstances" so that I've got a better picture of what it will be like all the way to 50 and what powers I'll want to actually get. I've never rolled a class (here or WoW, which I used to play alot as well) without knowing what build I was going to try out to start with and how I was going to pick it and level it.

Why do you feel the need to take jabs at others who's playstyle differs from your own? Maybe because you haven't accomplished enough in real life that you feel accomplishments in a video game with a chat program installed are significant?


 

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Why do you feel the need to take jabs at others who's playstyle differs from your own? Maybe because you haven't accomplished enough in real life that you feel accomplishments in a video game with a chat program installed are significant?

Wow. I guess I should apologize for sparking a conversation on what I find to be an interesting topic. Interesting you would talk about me for taking things too seriously. I think you are taking my post (and whatever else you may have inferred between the lines) far too seriously. No, I won't make personal attacks against you. Too bad people can't have a discussion without someone making comments like this which really serve no purpose.


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I think what the OP is referring to comes down to manners rather than laziness or effort. If I want someones advice I think it is only fair that I put some thought into it beforehand, that way it actually becomes advice and not instructions. You learn through mistakes mostly, so getting your own build picked apart and molded helps a lot more anyway.

I guess I might be elitist too, but I always ignore people who just say 'give me a build' or will at most ask what their current build is like and try and go from there. I know it is a game but if you care about builds then surely you can spend 5 minutes at least looking at it yourself.

Even a token effort making an awful build shows a bit of manners.


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I think what the OP is referring to comes down to manners rather than laziness or effort. If I want someones advice I think it is only fair that I put some thought into it beforehand, that way it actually becomes advice and not instructions. You learn through mistakes mostly, so getting your own build picked apart and molded helps a lot more anyway.

I guess I might be elitist too, but I always ignore people who just say 'give me a build' or will at most ask what their current build is like and try and go from there. I know it is a game but if you care about builds then surely you can spend 5 minutes at least looking at it yourself.

Even a token effort making an awful build shows a bit of manners.
That is exactly what I mean, Princess.
Advice or Instructions. Very clearly and succinctly stated.


Words to the wise aren't necessary- it's the stupid ones that need them.

"You're right...I forgot...being constantly at or the near the damage cap is a big turn off. Definitely not worth it."
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