When are the levels going to be fixed?


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I am sure that there are other threads relating to this but tbh I cannot see them easily so I thought that I would post the question here.

When in heavens name are the diff levels going to be fixed for SF/TF'S?????

As leader of the Handprints SG which spans both sides I have to say that the result of the wimpy diffs has had a DRAMATIC negative effect on members, seeing many long term players leave the game and those that are staying getting fed up of running flashbacks for (certainly on Villains side) poor merit reward numbers just so that they can play their toons against foes that are worthy.

To be quite frank I could not care less whether people get their MO badges on a -1 diff if this is the alternative, obviously I would rather they got them and had a bit of a challenge but this 'fix' is killing the enjoyment of the game for a lot of my members (of which until recently I had over 90 individual accounts).

Gone are the days of Handprints LGTF races where 16 people would rock up and do the TF on 5th diff with no ghosting to see which team could go fastest. I16 was a truely wonderful thing, the super SK system making organising events so much easier but now their seems to be no point that it is easier to get teams without struggling with half the team not being able to get an SK when the SF/TF we want to run is just too damn easy. For a brief while we enjoyed the new diff levels bringing us new challenges, but this was snatched away because a few could get a badge too easily leaving the rest of us hard core players floundering and wondering why we bothered slotting our toons at all if all we are going to fight are whites and yellows.

Please, please, please, please fix this issue before we loose anymore people to boredom and easy repetitive play!!!!

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This confuses me.

Are you complaining about the new difficulty settings? They make the game harder, now. You could get a +4 spawn (+5 to any SSK's!) with 8 people before. The most you could get was +3, iirc.


 

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I lose interest as soon as I read the words "I am sure that there are other threads relating to this but ..." That is more of a closing line, like an apology for making someone read stuff that they have already read before.

But hey in your case it saves me time, I appreciate that.



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You cannot set the diff levels for SF/TF's that is the problem Rad, you can do it for teams, flashbacks etc but not for SF/TF's


 

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I'm confused now, are TF's and SF's not letting you set them at anything other than +0? Is that WAI??

If so, it's stupid, what's the fun at level 50 of taking on a white villain? At 50 I wanna fight purples, risk and reward and all that?


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I'm confused now, are TF's and SF's not letting you set them at anything other than +0? Is that WAI??

If so, it's stupid, what's the fun at level 50 of taking on a white villain? At 50 I wanna fight purples, risk and reward and all that?
It was a temporary (Note, Temporary) fix because on TF/SFs with set level enemies (LRSF, STF) the end bosses could be set to -1 diff...and would spawn at lvl 49. Usually they were set in level.

Until such time as the Devs can get a fix for that in (I would estimate fairly soon. ASAP, basically), then thats how it will be.

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The latest 'fixes' and 'upgrades' seem to have been for the benefit of farmers and role-players, with little for those of us who play the game as it was intended.
So...I'm sorry, in what way does that lump people who happen to Roleplay in with that? If Im not 'playing the game as intended' as well as RP, well...colour me damn confused.


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I'm confused now, are TF's and SF's not letting you set them at anything other than +0? Is that WAI??
That is correct. I too have noticed dwindling numbers and getting events organised is harder because people don't want to do something too easy, easy is boring.


 

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The latest 'fixes' and 'upgrades' seem to have been for the benefit of farmers and role-players, with little for those of us who play the game as it was intended.
Don't be stupid. The fix was to keep players from setting the TF to -1 and running "Master of" Task Forces with very little risk of defeat. If you don't understand the problem, don't use your ignorance to justify your distaste of developers, or your agenda against various playstyles.

Fighting level 53 and 54 AVs/ Heroes at lvl 49 was definitely not "play(ing) the game as it was intended."


 

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Fighting level 53 and 54 AVs/ Heroes at lvl 49 was definitely not "play(ing) the game as it was intended."
While true, just because there is an option for abuse doesn't mean that everyone abused it. I can't see why they didn't just leave it as is and let those of us that want to play the game actually do so on proper difficulty.

Hell just get rid of the Mo badges for a while, they weren't there before so it can't be hard to remove them.


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I did not mention anything about RP'ers or such like and I said in my original post that I understood why it was done.

I also understand that it was 'Temporary' but how long is that?

I was merely asking for a timescale as to when it was going to be fixed that is all before we loose more people through boredom.

I agree in principle that people should have to work for their MO badges and that something needed to be done, my gripe is the timeliness of restoring the diffs so that the rest of us can get back to enjoying SF/TF's with a challenge


 

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While true, just because there is an option for abuse doesn't mean that everyone abused it. I can't see why they didn't just leave it as is and let those of us that want to play the game actually do so on proper difficulty.

Hell just get rid of the Mo badges for a while, they weren't there before so it can't be hard to remove them.
That wouldn't solve the problem of a mimum gate for X amount of Reward Merits, though. Why should one team that completes a TF at the expected level earn the same Merit reward as a team that runs the same AV with all the AVs at -3 or -4 to their normal level?

Badges are just one side of the coin. Without the current fix, high-Merit-rewarding TFs would just be farmed to death. If someone thinks that the current fix caters to farmers, operating without the current fix would certainly cater even more to them - or rather exploiters (by exploiting an unintended side affect of the new difficulty system), as farming != exploiting.


 

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Maybe they could make the TF contact have a selection of difficulty settings for when you formed the TF, but none that went lower than +0?
Like the way you can pick no temps, time limits and so on - just make a "fight enemies at +1, +2, +3, +4" option.


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Well, taking the role of devils advocate, it's easy to see both sides of this one.

I can understand why the devs put in the temp fix, I'm a badge hunter myself and the idea that I could get any MO badge too easily was just plain wrong, no matter how little it effected the game for everyone else.

However, I can see the POV of the OP as well, There's been a lot added to the game to make it more fun, but one of the most enjoyable aspects of this game is the TF's, on both sides. Having it stuck at +0 is not going to be anywhere near as enjoyable for a lot of people, particularly those who like a challenge, which some of the higher lvl TF' can be when set properly. I think Von is just asking how much longer do players have to wait for it to be fixed? Is there any news on a fix date for this? Is it even being worked on? I read the boards regularly and I've not seen any mention of it anywhere, hence me not even realising it was still an issue!

To send a message to support only to be told this is WAI (which is it, in a way, as that's how the devs have fixed it for now) is not really telling the players how much longer it will be until it's sorted out.

Do we have any idea of what the actual issue is with the TF's? Why this big is happening? I've still to do the new 5th Column TF atm and I don't particularly fancy doing it if the team just burns through it easily, where's the fun in that?


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On topic, I don't think we'll see a change until Issue 17 / Going Rogue.


 

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On topic, I don't think we'll see a change until Issue 17 / Going Rogue.
Gods, I hope not! I've long been bemoaning the lack of variety in the game after playing it for so long, the TF's were one of the few things in the game I still enjoy, they have some great ideas in them, some of them need actual tactics to pass and everything. Leaving them at this setting just takes away another thing from the game

Bizarrely, for once, I agree with GG, can't they add in the same sort of difficulty lvl system for TF's? I appreciate this might take some time, but a word from a red name to let us know if this planned or not would go a long way to alleviating the problem of not knowing


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And calling someone ignorant, is simply getting personal.
Perhaps, but, in my personal opinion, no less rash than pinning a change which one views as unfavorable upon a host of blameless players in a stereotypical fashion Just something to keep in mind the next time you post disfavor.

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(...) seems to be totally the wrong solution which has made many people leave the game.
How many people have left the game since this TF change happened? Is there a quantifiable number somewhere, such as subscriptions over a period of time? Or are we begged to take one's word for it at face value?


 

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This particular fix was to temporarily deal with a number of issues that the enhanced difficulty options in I16 generated. No one issue was the cause of this, and this fix is temporary.

Getting the difficulty sliders to work properly with Task Forces and Strike Forces is definitely something we are working on. This is something that is important to us, but any fix to the TF/SF Difficulty Slider is risky in that it is code which effects the whole game. We have to be very careful when working with this code because any changes can have significant and unforeseen ramifications. It takes a lot of time, especially testing time, and if we're going to take this amount of time we want to deliver a fix to you guys that isn't just a work around hack, but that delivers a fully working product.

We know this is frustrating, and this frustration has been well communicated to the Dev team. We'll communicate with you more on this issue as things progress.

Thanks,


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How many people have left the game since this TF change happened? Is there a quantifiable number somewhere, such as subscriptions over a period of time? Or are we begged to take one's word for it at face value?
Heh, this comment from anyone always amuses me. Srsly, how is anyone other than the devs supposed to be able to supply information like this? Can someone not just post that they know of people who have done something without people assuming that they are talking about everyone in the game??

For the record, i know of people who have left this game for varying reasons, some of which are bugs exactly like this one which has a detrimental effect on peoples enjoyment of it. Can I quantify how many? Course I can't! But surely the fact that even one person has left directly because of a specific thing can't be seen as a good thing?

Anyway, the power of the Mod has spoken and given us some info, at least. Whilst it might not be exactly what we want to hear (ideally, that the fix is sorted, the game will work flawlessly and all will be world peace and kittens in just 5 days ) at least we know something is happening now


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How many people have left the game since this TF change happened? Is there a quantifiable number somewhere, such as subscriptions over a period of time? Or are we begged to take one's word for it at face value?[/QUOTE]

I cannot quantify anything it is a general feel for the game based on SG members and also using the search for people on Union, as an example I searched for people to join a team I was forming on Sunday at 11.30am gmt, taking in 3 level ranges from the search window up to level 41 there were only 15 people actually online and viewable for team searching. Now I know that some people hide from searches but even taking that into account it is miserable number. That combined with a drop of at least 30% in SG members since this problem happened, (No going to mention rankings as we all know that does not necessarily mean activity or members, however we did have over 90 different globals over the 2 SG's)most of which were hard core gaming vets who have left due to boredom to try other games I just wanted an idea of when this was going to be fixed.

As I say i16 was brilliant but the longer this drags on the harder it gets.


 

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This particular fix was to temporarily deal with a number of issues that the enhanced difficulty options in I16 generated. No one issue was the cause of this, and this fix is temporary.

Getting the difficulty sliders to work properly with Task Forces and Strike Forces is definitely something we are working on. This is something that is important to us, but any fix to the TF/SF Difficulty Slider is risky in that it is code which effects the whole game. We have to be very careful when working with this code because any changes can have significant and unforeseen ramifications. It takes a lot of time, especially testing time, and if we're going to take this amount of time we want to deliver a fix to you guys that isn't just a work around hack, but that delivers a fully working product.

We know this is frustrating, and this frustration has been well communicated to the Dev team. We'll communicate with you more on this issue as things progress.

Thanks,
Have the devs thought about scrapping the Hero Corps Analysts and Fatewevers, and making every mission contact have difficulty settings to choose form instead?


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How many people have left the game since this TF change happened? Is there a quantifiable number somewhere, such as subscriptions over a period of time? Or are we begged to take one's word for it at face value?
I cannot quantify anything it is a general feel for the game based on SG members and also using the search for people on Union, as an example I searched for people to join a team I was forming on Sunday at 11.30am gmt, taking in 3 level ranges from the search window up to level 41 there were only 15 people actually online and viewable for team searching. Now I know that some people hide from searches but even taking that into account it is miserable number. That combined with a drop of at least 30% in SG members since this problem happened, (No going to mention rankings as we all know that does not necessarily mean activity or members, however we did have over 90 different globals over the 2 SG's)most of which were hard core gaming vets who have left due to boredom to try other games I just wanted an idea of when this was going to be fixed.

As I say i16 was brilliant but the longer this drags on the harder it gets.
I understand where your coming from, and although I see both parts of the argument, in my personal opinion, I think that TF difficulty is only part of the problem. For me, personally, a lack of fresh content has been my sticking point.

Obviously, I don't have any tabs on monthly subs; I don't even think NCSoft releases that info in their quarterly shareholder reports anymore. However, I've seen some vacancies in my circle of allies as well. But in my opinion, I think many (including myself) are waiting for GR to drop to reactivate become more active. Especially if one has been running around the game for a few years now.

So although I see your point, I think there may be a few factors for any perceived drop in server or player population. TF changes were just one of them.


 

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Getting the difficulty sliders to work properly with Task Forces and Strike Forces is definitely something we are working on. This is something that is important to us, but any fix to the TF/SF Difficulty Slider is risky in that it is code which effects the whole game.

Thats just plain scary.


 

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How many people have left the game since this TF change happened? Is there a quantifiable number somewhere, such as subscriptions over a period of time? Or are we begged to take one's word for it at face value?
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Heh, this comment from anyone always amuses me. Srsly, how is anyone other than the devs supposed to be able to supply information like this?
Realistically, even the devs can't quantify this unless everyone who quits the game fills out an exit survey (and is honest in it).


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Realistically, even the devs can't quantify this unless everyone who quits the game fills out an exit survey (and is honest in it).
Reasonable calculations used to be provided to NCSoft shareholders; that was the closest thing anyone had to realistic sub numbers. I don't think they do this anymore because players were looking at these numbers too, heaven forbid MMOGchart.com hasn't been updated since 2008, but I think they largely received their numbers from these shareholder reports anyhow.

But back on topic, I'm looking forward to a positive change to this issue, but at the same time, not holding my breath. Some of my more interesting TFs were the ones that had the difficulty bumped up, intentionally or no.


 

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Don't be stupid. The fix was to keep players from setting the TF to -1 and running "Master of" Task Forces with very little risk of defeat. If you don't understand the problem, don't use your ignorance to justify your distaste of developers, or your agenda against various playstyles.

Fighting level 53 and 54 AVs/ Heroes at lvl 49 was definitely not "play(ing) the game as it was intended."
QFT, If the intention was to benefit farmers, they never would have implemented the new diff system, and we'd still be in the AE building. :P