Permagod Mode ATs
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Posted on: 2009-11-21 03:57 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Not sure about Electric Armor, but I know for sure that Elude can NOT be made permanent or even close to it. On recharge cap you'd have something like 50 seconds downtime between castings.
If I remember properly, to know if a power can be made "Perma" or not, divide the Recharge time by 5. Then compare that value with the duration. If it's larger then it can't be made perma. If it's smaller then it can be made perma within some amounts of global recharge.
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Elude has a 1000 second recharge timer and a 180 second duration.
1000/5 = 200
200 > 180
which means Elude cannot be made perma.
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Hasten has a recharge of 450 seconds and a duration of 120 seconds.
450/5 = 90
90 < 120 which means the power can be made perma.
To know how much recharge you need to make the power perma use the following formula
([Recharge/duraction] - 1) * 100%
so applying that to Hasten
([450/120]) - 1) * 100%
([3.75] - 1) * 100%
Which totals to needing 275% Recharge to get Hasten to be made perma.
Slotted with three level 50 Recharge IOs that's 99% Recharge.
Hasten itself adds a 70% Recharge reduction bonus. Pumping the amount of recharge available to 169%.
Meaning you'll need 106% Global recharge to make Hasten perma.
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Looking at Mids...
Strength of the Will (Will Power) and One with the Shield (Shield defence) are the only T9 powers that can be made perma. Elude (Super Reflexes), Power Surge (Electric Armor), Overload (Energy Aura), and Unstoppable (Invulnerability) cannot be made perma. Fiery Aura and Dark Armor have self-rezzes as a T9..which is useless but meh.
Dominators are actually a pretty good choice, for power surge. The reason is that if you get good at timing it, you can have domination activate right after power surge drops, so that there is no downtime.
I tried to make my /elec brute perma.
I had to take the tealth power pool just to fit in the lotgs
It's not possible. But with SB aswell it was.
I was on 202% rech, + SB was perma godmode.
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Both Strength of will and One with the shield cannot be made perma. They are not affected by recharge at all. You can't slot them with recharge and they aren't affected by hasten or global recharge bonuses or outside sources of recharge(SB, AB etc...)|
Originally Posted by SoulSpark
Strength of the Will (Will Power) and One with the Shield (Shield defence) are the only T9 powers that can be made perma. Elude (Super Reflexes), Power Surge (Electric Armor), Overload (Energy Aura), and Unstoppable (Invulnerability) cannot be made perma. Fiery Aura and Dark Armor have self-rezzes as a T9..which is useless but meh.
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Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age
In my neverending quest to make a god I was wondering what ATs can almost make their god mode permanent with the right build and investing in IOs. I am assuming the most likely canidates are Elec Armor and SR ATs with natural recharge powers plus Hasten.
What builds can almost Perma their god mode or at least have their god mode up for 50% of the time in battle ? I am not just looking at Melee ATs but others as well that get God Mode powers in their Ancillarys/Patrons. What Ats and build are they and how can near Permagod mode be achieved ? Is it worth it ? Thanks |
With IOs, SR has no need for Elude.
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Almost? Any of the "old school" tier 9 powers with 1000s recharge times. If you can cap your +Recharge, you can get them down to 200s. With a 180s duration, that's as close as you'll ever get.|
Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age
In my neverending quest to make a god I was wondering what ATs can almost make their god mode permanent with the right build and investing in IOs.
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The new and revamped tier 9 powers are specifically designed to prevent players from getting even that close.
Getting 400% +Recharge is going to be the hardest part. You can get 95-118% from enhancements, depending on how you slot. Then there's Hasten's 70%, which could potentially bring the total up to 188%. You're still short 212%... which just happens to be almost exactly the total possible +Recharge from IO sets, but you'd have to slot five purple sets, five LotG +Recharge IOs, five other sets with 7.5% bonuses, five 6.25% bonuses, five 5% bonuses, five 3.75% bonuses and five 2.5% bonuses (212.5%), but that's more slots and powers than is possible, so you won't get there with IO sets.
You could toss in the Geas of the Kind Ones or Force of Nature accolade's 100%, making it much easier to do solo, but there's a 25m base recharge time on that accolade, and it only lasts for 1m, so you'd still only be in "god mode" for one minute, then out for several minutes.
You could partially alleviate that with another accolade, Eye of the Magus (hero)/Demonic Aura (villain), which would give you another 1m of "god mode", at least for Defense (50% to all but Psi), and cycle that in between uses of your tier 9 to cover part of the tier 9's down time, but even at maximum global recharge (+400%), it would still only be available once every 5m.
So you're left with either finding a buddy to Speed Boost you (could use a Kinetics defender on a second account, Speed Boost on auto and your primary character targeted and on Follow), or ignoring the tier 9 completely and building up more Resistance/Defense with IOs and pool powers. Practically anyone can cap Defense to at least one position and two types with IO sets, some can cap against two positions and multiple types, and a few can cap against everything, but it can be expensive. Resistance-based characters can cap versus two types, Smashing and Lethal, without much effort by picking up Tough to supplement their primary or secondary powers, but beyond that, it's difficult to pull much +Res for anything out of IO sets, it's just too spread out and in small amounts.
One other alternative, one which I've found to work extremely well, is to couple ToHit debuffs with Defense buffs. They work in conjunction quite nicely, at least until you start fighting foes with strong resistances to ToHit debuffs (most AVs, for example).
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There is no Tier 9 that can be made Perma. It's impossible.|
Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age
In my neverending quest to make a god I was wondering what ATs can almost make their god mode permanent with the right build and investing in IOs. I am assuming the most likely canidates are Elec Armor and SR ATs with natural recharge powers plus Hasten.
What builds can almost Perma their god mode or at least have their god mode up for 50% of the time in battle ? I am not just looking at Melee ATs but others as well that get God Mode powers in their Ancillarys/Patrons. What Ats and build are they and how can near Permagod mode be achieved ? Is it worth it ? Thanks |
Either their recharge is to high, even if you're at the recharge cap, or they are uneffected by +RCH (One with the Shield & Strength of Will).
As for a god mode toon. Do you just mean survivable to no end, or do you mean can take anything on in this game and win?
For instance, ILL/RAD can solo a GM (as can other combo's or Trollers/Corruptors/MMs/Defenders)...the melee ATs however, can't.
*Note: Okay, maybe the low level Giant Monsters, like Kronos in Perez Park.
If you're wanting a OMG, I'm so survivable type of God Mode AT, quite a few can be built for that easy enough (influence/time willing)
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Originally Posted by BrandX
There is no Tier 9 that can be made Perma. It's impossible.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Can I have perma Rain of Arrows?
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Stone Armor tanker. Granite, the tier 9 armor is a toggle and if that isn't a "make you unkillable" power there isn't one in the game. I realize that isn't what you were really looking for but it's the true perma god mode.|
Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age
In my neverending quest to make a god I was wondering what ATs can almost make their god mode permanent with the right build and investing in IOs. I am assuming the most likely canidates are Elec Armor and SR ATs with natural recharge powers plus Hasten.
What builds can almost Perma their god mode or at least have their god mode up for 50% of the time in battle ? I am not just looking at Melee ATs but others as well that get God Mode powers in their Ancillarys/Patrons. What Ats and build are they and how can near Permagod mode be achieved ? Is it worth it ? Thanks |
A Warshade can perma Eclipse which grants +res based on how many mobs it hits so they can have capped (85%) resistance to all but Psi so long as there are mobs available to fuel Eclipse.
A SR scrapper can easily have soft capped defenses making Elude fairly pointless as it won't increase your survivability outside of a few edge cases. Shield likewise can soft cap vs all positions giving you, in effect, a perma god mode. If you want to invest in the set bonuses most AT's can soft cap their defenses to at least one position, many can soft cap all three but it may well take a highly specialized build that sacrifices too much effectiveness.
Traditional tier 9 defensive powers like Elude, Unstoppable and the like aren't perma-able anymore... I think the best you can do is roughly 50% uptime. Fortunately IO bonuses can make most tier 9 powers superfluous.
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First, I don't know what you mean by "God mode". Is it a character who never takes damage? A character who can solo AVs and GMs? A character who can destroy huge amounts of enemies at once?
Fire/Kin controllers are good for holding enemies while their pets destroy them.
Fire/Psy Dominators are good for the same thing, only instead of burring their boets' damage they jump in and help out with Psychic Shockwave.
A Brute made with any combination of Claws, Super Strength, Willpower, or Super Reflexes will be able to kill huge amounts of enemies in melee.
A Traps/Sonic Defender will be able to debuff any enemy into mush. Better even than a Radiation Defender. It also has the potential to gain high defense as well, enabling some of the more expensive IO builds to solo AVs and GMs. I saw a thread about one who soloed Tyrant.
Personally, I have DM/Nin Stalker which I've used to solo Mako, Black Scorpion, and Valkyrie with its combination of negative energy hits, -tohit, defense, solid damage, two heals, and other powers in its bag of tricks. It's as durable as a brute, and half the time I only pause to restore Hide if I want to detonate a boss or use the Fear effect from Assassin Strike to pause a big mob for a few seconds while I take a few down. It's not a GOD, but it's really a lot of fun.
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In the melee forums, "God Mode" in this game usually refers to a crashing defensive set tier 9 power. They will provide just about capped defense or resistance (or a combination in the case of MoG) and high end recovery... basically a long recharge invincibility click. There tend not to be downsides with the exception of a crash at the end so while the powers are up players refer to their state pretty much as "god mode".
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Originally Posted by JWatt
First, I don't know what you mean by "God mode".
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Originally Posted by JWatt
First, I don't know what you mean by "God mode".
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A tier 9 defensive toggle......otherwise known as "god modes".
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Originally Posted by brophog02
A tier 9 defensive toggle......otherwise known as "god modes".
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
With extremely high recharge, as a Stalker, you may be able to use Shadow Meld as a stop-gap to help perma a God Mode.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
With the exception of Granite, they're all clicks
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An SR with more than 45% defense outside of Elude is essentially perma-godmode, because at 45% defense there's no need for Elude 99% of the time.
Given a modest amount of recharge and Hasten, you can also perma Eclipse on a Warshade, meaning you'll have capped damage resistance to everything all the time.
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Originally Posted by macskull
An SR with more than 45% defense outside of Elude is essentially perma-godmode, because at 45% defense there's no need for Elude 99% of the time.
Given a modest amount of recharge and Hasten, you can also perma Eclipse on a Warshade, meaning you'll have capped damage resistance to everything all the time. |
The warshade option is only for casual players.
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Except casual players can't purple out their warshade.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
The warshade option is only for casual players.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Do you really need to Purples to perma Eclipse?
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Inside joke. A while ago, there was someone who claimed to be a casual player and they were complaining that they couldn't afford to purple out their Warshade.
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
Do you really need to Purples to perma Eclipse?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Basically, there are a few things that you can do
1. Stone Tank/brute, Granite is a toggle, leave it on all the time, problem solved. Ideally IO out for +runspeed/rech/dam but technically not necessary
2. Willpower Tank - IOing these things with regen/+hp produces nasty results, my WP/Mace tank has about 830% regen from a single foe in RttC and capped HP on top of resistance/defense values that rival that of other tank (thanks to Tough/Weave) Throw on SoW for when you actually need extra mitigation (very rare) and you're set.
3. SR/Ninjitsu/Shield characters - Relatively easy to soft-cap defense, each has its own advantages, SR is a bit easier to cap and has some +rech, Ninjitsu has a nice self heal and some good crowd control, but is only for Stalkers, Shield gets nice damage, extra resistance/hp and a tier 9 that doesn't fully drain you.
4. Dark/Dark Defender... no real tier 9, but you won't need it when everything short of AVs are at the tohit floor.
5. Force Field Defender - possible to cap defense makes this a slightly more friendly Ranged build.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
The warshade option is only for casual players.
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In my neverending quest to make a god I was wondering what ATs can almost make their god mode permanent with the right build and investing in IOs. I am assuming the most likely canidates are Elec Armor and SR ATs with natural recharge powers plus Hasten.
What builds can almost Perma their god mode or at least have their god mode up for 50% of the time in battle ? I am not just looking at Melee ATs but others as well that get God Mode powers in their Ancillarys/Patrons. What Ats and build are they and how can near Permagod mode be achieved ? Is it worth it ?
Thanks