Why is there no Praetorian Nemesis...

...or is Praetoria, itself, a Nemesis Plot?

Discuss.

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Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

They've said Praetoria isn't totally a mirror world - so not every villain in our dimension followed the same path in Praetoria.

The devs have said something along the liune of "the Praetorian Nemesis died as a happy old man" - so there is no Praetorian Nemesis now.

But as our Nemesis seems to like to get involved in as many dimensions as possible, I'm pretty sure he'll try something - we might even run into Nemesis scouts who've been sent to Praetoria to check it out.

To be totally honest, I hope to have one major story update without having Nemesis smeared all over it. Please.

There is no Praetorian Nemesis, because Praetorian Blue Steel is actually an active member of Law Enforcement.

This same reason will be keeping our Nemesis at bay.

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In Serpent Drummer's arc, we get this from one of the Rikti Traditionalists:

"Though he didn't seem like the type to talk much, the Rikti Psi-scout called Lk'Onik had something he wanted to say:
'Longtime Didn't: Trust Humans.
We Thought: Humans Attacked: First.
Was There: First Attack.
Thousands: Dead. Lost: Everything Important.
Looked like: Freedom Phalanx.
Further Attacks: Dozens.
Finally Traced: Point of Origin.
Thought Justification: Protecting Ourselves.
... : ...
Since then, seen: Freedom Phalanx; Seen: Earth-Heroes.
Phalanx = Attackers: Impossible.
My Theory: Praetorians. Nothing Else: Makes Sense.'"

In Dark Watcher's arc, however, we get this:

"These triplicated documents are written on heavy parchment by a bold, mechanical hand. Though they're written in code, in an odd oversight, the dozens of draftsman-like drawings scattered through them tell the whole story. From the drawings, you can see it all laid out: plans for dimensional exploration that lead Nemesis to find the Rikti homeworld, the first schematics of the Freedom Phalanx automatons, and force deployments for using the imposters to attack the Rikti homeworld in a wave of terror. Even his projections for the points the Rikti would-be counter-attack, and Nemesis Army rallying points. This is a comprehensive plan that lays out the suffering of two worlds in precise text and line drawings. It may be the single most monstrous thing you've ever seen, and that's even before it's been fully decoded."

So what do we have here? A Nemesis Plot involving using Automatons to attack the Rikti Homeworld. An attack that the Rikti Traditionalists now believe was cause by Praetorians.

Thus we have the beginnings of a link.

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Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

My original assumption about Praetoria (which I'm slowly preparing myself to abandon, as it's all intricately woven into the stories of several of my favorite characters) has the turning point of Praetorian Earth being a version of Brass Monday where Statesman lost control for just a split second and killed Nemesis instead of merely vanquishing him. Discovering that he could outright kill a villain and not really lose any heroic status in the public eye would have started him down the slippery slope of evil, which eventually resulted in him just taking the whole place over and declaring himself emperor. This notion seemed satisfactory at the time because it accomplished the purposes of provoking a darker shift for Statesman without doing something hokey like saying "in this universe he was beat as a kid or something", a much more sinister suggestion that this is a path the Primal Earth version could very easily have found himself on, and at the same time removed Primal Earth's biggest player from the board so the divergence's history would be free to evolve in a very different direction without just a moral flipflop of some main characters occupying a world with an otherwise very similar timeline.

This notion has apparently already been overturned, as Praetorian Cole was already a murderous thug as early as his first acquisition of superpowers, and a lot of other stuff is going differently enough (the nuke-tastic Korean War, and earlier rise of the Devouring Earth for example) that it's clear the divergence was a lot earlier. But it's still possible that the end of Praetorian Nemesis was in an early encounter with a much darker, much more brutal version of Marcus Cole.

Maybe I wasn't clear what I was trying to do here...

The point of this thread was to come up with all kinds of wild speculations about what Lord Nemesis might possibly have to do with what we know, suspect, or hope about GR. It's not about anything that might be even remotely "real" or accurate about what is actually going to appear in the game AT ALL.

It's supposed to be a wild speculation thread where we cooperatively create Nemesis Plots involving Praetoria, using tenuous links to the existing canon and whatever we know about GR.

I got us started a few posts up.

For everyone taking this thread seriously: stop that!

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Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

This is my personal theory.

We know the Resistance is into Steampunk. Who else is into Steam Technology?

Our Nemesis is flamboyant extrovert over the top Supervillain. Could Praetorian Nemesis not be a behind the scenes master manipulator and no one knows about him?

I believe that Praetorian Nemesis is secretly running / control the Resistance so everthing on Praetorian is still a Nemesis plot.

I know, you going to say that the Devs have stated there is no Praetorian Nemesis but he such a great behind the scenes master manipulator that even the Devs do not know about him.

LOL
o.m.jimmy. lord

we havent been given all the info yet, and yet people think they know everything or expected to know/be told everything.

The thing with Nemesis involvement is that people have become quite sick of him. Because most people don't want Nemesis involvement, and the information that we do have indicates no Nemesis involvement people are quite happy about a significant change in the games story, which we haven't really had since I10.

Because people don't want Nemesis plots they're not going to try and develop them.


Now then moving on.....

The promotional stuff we've seen for Praetoria has Emperor Cole's city looking really clean and shiny.Kind of like Brass. Who do we know that uses Brass?

I think this thread is a Nemesis plot....

Emperor Cole killed Stefan Richter back in the day...

Or was he just a Nemesis Automaton?

Perhaps the Resistance is led by a mysterious Lord Mesothelae who wears shiny golden armor, instead of the black/grey that Lord Recluse has.

Or, it could be just a Nemesis plot.

I still want to know who wrote those notes we find doing the Ouroboros arc.