Why is there no Praetorian Nemesis...

Everything being a Nemesis Plot got old really fast.

One of the devs, I think.

Perhaps it is the Praetorian (or otherwise) Dark Watcher?

There are only a handful of beings in CoH Lore with the power to time travel. Dr. Aeon is out, because he'd never be that blatantly helpful.

The Dark Watcher seems to be one of the few people who idly tears about dimensional barriers (accordingly, he was "thrown" into dimensions with monsters blah blah, but at some point he must have learned to manipulate his dimensional travels, and did not instantly return to Earth). It is conceivable he managed time travel.

Then theres the DESTINY portal, which, given its open nature, could have thrown any number of powerful beings into the Twisting Nether (oops, wrong game).

And, my favorite candidate, is the Clockwork King. I know, I know, its hard to see, but the CK is the most powerful psychic, period (some people contend Penelope is stronger, but the Portal Corp mission with him having mentally slaughtered the entire population of Earth would seem to tip the balance in his favor). With such an extreme ability, and his ability to effortlessly control thousands of beings at once, it is conceivable he could rip apart dimensions (just look at the Dream Doctor and Rularuu for an example of mental powers used to alter dimensions). The intelligence to control innumerable agents throughout time, a powerful psychic... sounds like someone who Lord Nemesilos would be at odds with.

*chucks .2 dollars into the Speculation can*

Well, personally I like "Praetorian Nemesis died happily in his bed at a normal old age." He doesn't need to be involved with the P-Clockwork, Resistance or anything else. Just died a footnote as a former Prussian aristocrat.

This doesn't necessarily mean that there's nothing to do with *any* Nemesis here - we know Nemesis can hop dimensions, argue with alternate-dimension versions of himself, set up bases in other dimensions and the like. But his favored technique seems to be that of replacing people with automatons and setting up front companies - not to mention painting himself as 'bringing order' and such.

Well, the last is done, in a very similar way, by Cole. And the automatons - how would they escape notice by the "Psychic Friends network" that's been set up? "Any traitorous thoughts?" "No, but I've been noticing more people with no thoughts at all - empty shells."

Do we have a Praetoria timeline to work with?

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That's an exaggeration

There was Mender Silos and Ouroboros, and the second Rikti invasion - things like Cimerora are almost totally Nemesis-free.

This. Need this.

Well, the devs have one - but we can't see it yet

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I was just pointing out that there is a Praetorian timeline right now - quite a detailed one too, from the sound of it - so I think we'll be getting lots of new lore in GR - even if we just have to make guesses now

I think (of the currently known signature characters), the Dream Doctor is more likely than The Dark Watcher. I think "yourself" is probably a good pick, too, either from the future or another dimension.

Arachnos is also Not a Nemesis Plot (although he's done his best to infiltrate it).

In any case, I'm surprised there are people who dislike Lord Nemesis and his bazillion plots and contingency plots to conquer the world. That's the hallmark of an excellent villain.

Actually I wasn't even refering to the ingame storyline. I was refering to the general forumite response of "It's a Nemesis Plot" to anything remotely unexplained or confusing.

It's the same reason I now can't stand Blue Steel. Blue Steel = Chuck Norris also got old REALLY fast. (Doesn't help that I don't like Chuck Norris anyhow.)

I see it rather as the hallmark for writers who can't come up with anythign more interesting, so they fall back on "It was really <this guy> all along."

If they do that again, Fleeting...

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Tell you what, I won't crap on your rug, if you don't crap in my thread.

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Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Well we know there are is no Praetorian Clockwork King... but the clockwork are right in the open.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

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Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

This thread is not a Nemesis Plot.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

We also know the Praetorian "clockwork" were built by Neuron and Anti-Matter.

It is quite plausible there IS a Praetorian Clockwork King. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and speculate that there will be an arc in the Loyalists where the Blue Clockwork are going haywire and attacking Praetorian forces and *gasp* you must track down the reason.

People never give the Clockwork King enough credit. He murdered an entire planet with his MIIIIIIIND.

Point being, a bunch of Nemesis Automatons that looked like Praetorian Clockwork would not raise eyebrows from the Psychic Friends Network.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Damn. Good point.

I'm pretty sure the devs said at Hero Con the Praetorian Nemesis is dead.