Buff Trick Arrows!

Actually it does but not by itself. People make their own choices and so it's by those choices they live or die by. Sometimes it's not just what's in your build, it's what's in somebody elses and what dynamics you can achieve should you combine abilities. So in terms of offering survivability it can be very strong and it can be very weak. It's almost as if there was a definite trick to playing with a trick archer.

There is a distinct lack of pace in playing with a TA and AV fights and so -regen to PGA would be gold!

It was, originally. It was changed to a foe-targeted power because the developers felt that having to constantly switch between types of placement was awkward. I agree with that assessment and decision. Especially considering Glue's sticky property (no pun intended (okay, maybe a little pun intended)), which makes it possible to pull an almost unlimited number of foes through it and have it affect every single one of them for the full 30s.

Functionally, it serves little purpose to make it a location-targeted debuff, as there's little need to pull in this game.

Defenders and controllers share the same Slow modifiers.

Used to be, was changed for the same reason Glue was.

It would also make it potentially less useful and more difficult to use, because the PGA effect isn't lingering, it's a one shot deal. At least with foe-targeting, you're assured of hitting something, as opposed to location-targeting which can result in critters leaving the AoE before it even spawns and thus avoiding the effect entirely.

Overkill if Placate is added to Flash, and it would be horribly exploitable in conjunction with that Placate. PGA to Sleep everything, deal some damage, Flash to Placate everything, deal some damage, PGA, damage, Flash, damage, etc.

I suspect that it's a holdover from when Acid dealt much more damage, which should have been addressed when the damage was reduced.

Resistance isn't a global buff, it doesn't affect all damage types simultaneously and equally. Every damage type has a corresponding resistance, and one damage type's resistance does not increase or affect any other damage type's resistance. As a result of that, there aren't actually that many critters in the game which have both a specific damage type and resistance to that specific damage type, and of those which do, they are intentionally designed to be more difficult for everyone.

Additionally, I strongly disagree with the concept of reducing TA's -Res, especially for the purpose of making it slightly more effective (when taking into account the totals you recommend) against the hardest targets in the game, because it effectively cuts TA's -Res contribution in half for the 90%+ remainder of the game.

We don't need more -Regen (1000% already in EMP Arrow). Empathy, FF, Sonic and Storm all get by just fine without -Regen. Kinetics only has 50% -Regen and it's not suffering. -Regen's contribution has continued to be grossly overrated over the past couple of years, despite the reversal of the decision to increase AV and GM regeneration rates not long after they bumped them.

And the power becomes drastically worse for low level players who can only use it on one out of every two to four spawns. We need to fix that problem, not compound it by increasing recharge times across the board.

And then you've blown through nearly half your endurance bar just putting Acid, Disruption and Glue on the spawn (and you do need to use Glue, or OSA, otherwise the spawn just walks (or runs, thanks to the AI bug) out of the AoE) for a measly 20% -Res.

That's not an improvement.

As I've stated twice already, the majority of what we fight in this game are weak, easily defeated foes with no or minor resistances. Gutting TA's -Res in order to make it slightly more effective against the toughest foes in the game just destroys it for the entire rest of the game, and it's just not worth it. Not for the endurance it costs and the requirement of using one or more other applications of powers to ensure that it even affects the foes (Entangling, Glue, Ice, OSA, EMP).

And that's precisely the reason TA needs to be improved. Players should not be tied to specific pool powers, secondaries, temp powers or inspirations in order to use this powerset to effectively mitigate alphas or provide sufficient extended combat mitigation to allow slower teams or solo players to progress without counting down the seconds to defeat.

"You need Hasten" is not an acceptable answer to TA's problems.

"You need Maneuvers" is not an acceptable answer to TA's problems.

"You need Medicine" is not an acceptable answer to TA's problems.

"You need Lucks" is not an acceptable answer to TA's problems.

"You need Dark Blast" is not an acceptable answer to TA's problems.

No other primary is reliant on these types of specific build patterns in order to be used to defend a team. Not a single other one. Only TA. And that, sir or ma'am, is why TA needs to be improved.

"You need the right teammates" or "You need teammates with the right builds" is not an acceptable answer to TA's problems.

We have 40% -Res without even putting any effort into it, in addition to the 1000% -Regen in EMP. In my experience, in teams ranging from 8 to 2 (me and one other player), with my TA/A as the only debuffer, that 40% is sufficient. I've defeated AVs and GMs in duos with my TA/A, without using EMP Arrow at all, and see no reason why we need more -Regen, other than simply to make AV/GM fights so mind-numbingly fast and easy that players are napping through them with Brawl on auto.

No you!

MMs too. MMs also share RES/DEF debuff values. But they have a weaker DMG/ToHit debuff value. Not totally sure of the logic there, but that's how it is. So any powers that do -speed, -recharge, -DEF, or -RES should be the same for MMs. Otherwise, it's just reducing the overall ability of TA for MMs only.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Masterminds use 1.0 Slow mod, Ranged and Melee. Defenders and controllers use 1.25 Ranged and Melee. Every other AT uses either 1.0 or 0.8.

Defenders have 0.125 mods across the board, Ranged and Melee, for -Dam, -Res, -Def and -ToHit. Controllers use 0.100 mods for all of those. Masterminds only share controller values for Melee -ToHit, -Dam and -Def, the rest of the listed debuffs sit at 0.075.

In no case is a mastermind's debuff potential comparable to that of a defender, and in only a few cases is it even as high as that of controllers.

I think the confusion is because of a couple of powers that break the rules: Tar patch from dark miasma, which shares the same -res values for all 3 AT's that have it (defender, corruptor and MM) and acid mortar which at least for corruptors and masterminds also has the same resistance and def debuff values. In both cases I would guess the similarity is due to the power summoning a pseudo-pet. The interesting thing is that when traps was ported to defenders they changed the pseudo-pet so that it had defender level debuffs.

Mind you, I certainly am not going to complain about allowing corruptors and masterminds to get defender level values with tar patch but I can see how that would make folks think that the 3 AT had the same res/def debuff mods.

And Dark Miasmas Fluffy. Masterminds get the Defender version of him as well. Only the Recharge Time of the Summon Power was upped (and maybe the End Costs) but Set IOs nicely bypass that weakness whilest also allowing you to cap -ToHit.

Firstly I am no way suggesting that they're needed. They're not. Power pools do help with pace when it comes to anyones build. Hell at the bare minimum it could be just about travel, getting from A to B but they're designed to be desirable and should they not be, then there is a problem. Whilst not needed, they're desirable. Are the power pools more desirable in TA's case? Well I couldn't help but notice how everyones TA is different to mine and so it all depends on what flexibilities you like to offer.

The whole point in people making their own builds is, to offer themselves the flexibilities they want. When you chose one flexibility over another then certain defenders can become more desired than others but not incapable. People often aren't incapable build wise around a TA, but the team dynamics can be one that is not utilizing combined strengths. I think it's good to play differently around different defenders. It's more interesting to me. I think to have a bunch of different powersets that work the same or play the same or accomplish things the same way is poor variety.

I realize people can duo AVs with TA, people can solo AVs without TA, but the thing everyone is after is the feeling of being on par with other defenders with how they play. I like the set for making people think personally. It doesn't need the -Regen, it'll just be more loved by other people for it.

It's a good defender set, as I like to think. If Castle buffs the set further he is going to make me, someone who is happy playing it, even happier.

Flash Arrow (like Smoke) ain't stackable.

But personally I've always been a fan of making TA the Stacking Debuffs set. PGA & Acid Arrows for example could be allowed to stack. You could have a fair bit of overlapping debuffs then (with Hasten also running)/

Sorry, I must've misread what you said. What I was trying to say was that Controllers, Corruptors, and MMs all share the same values. Some earlier posts suggesting numbers were showing some awfully low numbers for MMs on slow and RES debuff powers.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

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Actually what you think 'everyone knows' is something you have wrong.

The way resistance defbuffs work in this game is actually consistent across things with lots of resistance and no resistance. If I hit a target with a resistance debuff of 40%, I will always increase team damage by 40%.

If the target has 50% resistance to the damage, and you debuff it 40%, you end up debuffing after resistance by 20%. So before debuffing a 100 point attack did 50. After debuffing it does 70. That is a 40% increase in damage.

I would postulate that the reason resistance debuff resistance exists is that it would be overpowered on hard targets.

Say I'm hitting a target with 50% resistance with an unresistable 40% resistance debuff power. The 100 point attack which was before doing 50 points, is now doing 90 points of damage. That is an 80% improvement. This only gets more magnified with higher initial resistance. On a 90% resistance target the damage increase goes to 500% (10 to 50).

Unresistable resistance debuff powers are a no-no for a reason. They would drastically skew encounter experience in favor of teams having those debuffs. I mean completely drastically.

1. Flash arrow does not stack from the same caster
2. Flash arrow's -tohit is unresistable.

I haven't checked everything, but it seems that -RES, -DEF, -speed, and -RECH are the same. Heal is of course weaker due to HP, but heal/HP powers tend to vary even between Controller/Corruptor. I haven't looked at every other effect, but regen/recov seem to be the same (for what few powers there are that do those).

I know for certain that DMG and ToHit powers will vary (and be weaker) for MMs. -END also seems to vary, even though -recov doesn't.

Just imagine how trivial Honoree, Statesman, and the others would be if you could easily toss out an unresistable -40% RES.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

For +/-Resistance:
Defenders have a modifier of 0.1
All others have a modifier of 0.075

For +Defense:
Defenders have a modifier of 0.1
All others have a modifier of 0.075

For -Defense:
Defenders have a modifier of -0.125
Con/Corrs have a modifier of -0.1
MMs have a modifier of -0.075

For +/-ToHit and +/-Damage:
Defenders have a modifier of (-)0.125
Con/Corrs have a modifier of (-)0.1
MMs have a modifier of (-)0.075

For -Speed:
Def/Cons have a modifier of -0.125
CorrMMs have a modifier of -0.1

+Speed mods exist, but aren't set up the same, since they're used for Travel powers, mostly. No modifiers exist for +/-Recharge, Recovery or Regeneration, though sometimes -Recharge effects will use the -Speed mods if in a power where the -Speed and -Recharge values are intended to be the same. These effects typically use the Ones table, which is (as you might expect) all 1s.

These are all based on the Ranged tables, as very few of the buff/debuff sets have a power that uses the Melee tables, and usually those are actually being used by Pet entities, and have to be manually changed for each AT, as pets have their own tables where everything is a 1 (or -1, or 0.1, or -0.1, etc.)

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

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You're right. And that sucks for Trick Arrow.

... although making the debuff stack would be a nice move. Especially if it was a player-only change, like the Moment of Glory changes.

There WERE unresistable resistance debuff powers. On, I believe, freakin' Longbow in the 40+ game. And they stacked. I think the change was "still stack, but no longer unresistable."

Mm, hmm, I loved having my Lethal Resist and my Lethal Defense both suddenly turn red. On an Invuln Brute.

My Inv Brute never hits red on S/L, but it definitely drops to 40-50 range. That's with Tough of course, with S/L sitting at just over 70% unhindered. F/C/N/E will definitely hit red though.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.