Can someone explain US army ranks to me?
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This does simultaneously illustrate the fact that ranks higher than Lt are less likely to be literally in combat (usually due to their higher responsibilities: its hard to see the bigger picture when you are also ducking from rifle shots), but it also shows their proximity to combat, at least under some conditions.
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However, there are some notable well-documented exceptions. Alexander the Great and his Companions often enjoined in direct combat to turn the tide of the battle after it was initiated. In WW2, Rommel (widely considered a tanker, but just as much a highly skilled infantryman as his treatise on Infantry Tactics shows) was often found on the front line, sometimes with the advance recon units to personally assess the battlefield situation for himself, with numerous close calls. Likewise in WW2, after Stalin's purge of the officer corps earlier in the decade, Russian colonels were expected to be on the front line to keep their command intact and prevent desertions. Also, at least in 20th century warfare, some mission-critical special forces operations have been led by Colonels, although the force they command on the field for a specific operation may be a subset of their total command.
While it is rare for a commissioned officer, from Colonel up and even at the General level, to be in the line of fire, it isn't unheard of.
The dumbest Lieutenant was the one who got our squad lost. He wouldn't listen to anyone. He would say "I'm a Top 10 West Point grad. I know what the hell I'm doing." All the while trying to read a compass that was sitting on the medal hood of a jeep." We were 10 miles away from our rendezvous point, at 0200 hrs (2:00am) with temperatures around 12F, and heading in the wrong direction. We finally got spotted by a heli and evac'd back to HQ. Don't think that LT sat down for a week after the ***-chewing he got from the CO.
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R. Lee Ermey is a honorary Gunny, and he played one in Full Metal Jacket.
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A bit of a historical note:
It used to be that officers were actually responsible for putting their own units together. Eg. in the 17th century you'd contact your closest officer... And then he'd go out and hire his own soldiers. Thus originally an officer's "commission" was to provide himself enough soldiers to command.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
If I recall correctly, while he was still a Colonel, O'Neill was also 2nd in command of the Stargate project, in addition to his field duties. (not sure if that was to imply all of Cheyenne Mnt.)
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Point is, due to the extenuating circumstances of having to use nuclear weapons and the general importance of the mission, a Colonel was put in charge of what looked like no more than a squad of soldiers, which from what I've seen here ought to be the charge of a Sergeant. However, because his task required some serious command authority, they stuck a particularly badass Colonel as a field combatant and went with that. That's sort of what I had in mind.
Put it like this - I have a special operative who generally has NO men under his command simply by virtue of the kind of work he does. I know "lone wolf" operatives who go out into the jungle on their own probably aren't common in real life military forces, but they're common in games and movies and that's sort of what I went with. However, because of the sensitive nature of his work and the great importance of his missions, he needs to be able to assume command when necessary, hence he is given a high rank (and in my case an equivalent rank, like what Red Alert's Tanya had).
From what I've read so far, the above doesn't seem at all likely to happen in a real-world army, but what I want to know is is it even POSSIBLE? I know that movies misappropriate what high-ranking officers and agents mean, via authority equals asskicking, but I also realise this is fiction divorcing from fact in a big way. But can this work the other way? I've already been told that specialists like doctors get a high-ish rank, but how about a truly high one, like Colonel or Major for someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a field operative with no actual command to speak of?
P.S. I think I found sort of what I was looking for by following my own link: Colonel Badass I apologise for diverging from reality so much.
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IIRC James Bond is a Major, no? (although he's of course intelligence, and not regular army, and british at that)
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
From what I've read so far, the above doesn't seem at all likely to happen in a real-world army, but what I want to know is is it even POSSIBLE? I know that movies misappropriate what high-ranking officers and agents mean, via authority equals asskicking, but I also realize this is fiction divorcing from fact in a big way. But can this work the other way? I've already been told that specialists like doctors get a high-ish rank, but how about a truly high one, like Colonel or Major for someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a field operative with no actual command to speak of? |
I'm unaware of any cases of civilians being commissioned as Group Captain / Full Colonel as such, but it that might have been possible as well. I'm also unaware if the practice extended into the Korean and Vietnam wars, although I suspect it did.
So, to answer you're question... is it possible? Depending on the scope of the mission, yes. In the War-torn story of Paragon City, it might be entirely possible that yes, the military forces have promoted a Metahuman / Superpower to a high rank to deal with some of the super-powered forces.
However, in in-game continuity, the only significant hero-side military faction is the Vanguard, and they do use the rank of Colonel for some of their officers : http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Vanguard
This is where the Major as Combatant mostly comes out in fiction. The higher ups go "We need a dude with a pronounced tallent for killing a bunch of other dudes, but who we've also cleared to know the top secret stuff about the specific bunch of dudes we need killed, and can therefore trust to do all that killing without everybody and their dog finding out about it. Call Major Killmonger back from his vacation in an undisclosed part of Southeast Asia murdering drug smugglers, child molesters and rare endangered Giant Venomous Prehistoric Hell-Tigers armed with nothing but his teeth, and optionally assemble a team of suitably distinguished mass murderers to follow him to Hell and Back."
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That's a large part of what I had in mind for my own Major, actually. Less command of many men (less so during the time when she's actually in the army) and more special operations via a rather unique set of personal skills. I do like the notion that a job which requires a certain exposure to classified information, but still needs someone to chopper in and kick *** might go to a Major and a small squad of cannon fodder.
Incidentally, what rank does Solid Snake hold? Does he have a rank at all?
On the matter of Colonels, I actually found a couple of interesting examples. One is the Colonel from Predator, whom I didn't know was a colonel, but who acts more like a Corporal or a Sergeant despite his rank. The way he acts is a lot more in-line with what I had in mind for my own Colonel, but I'm not sure if that isn't just done to boost Arnie's badassitude.
The other is the Colonel from Akira, who seems to act a lot more like a commander and, in fact, seems to act more like a General. I'm not sure whether that's because he's warmongering enough to stage a coup and seize authority beyond his rank, or if it's just a post-apocalyptic Japan thing where the whole country has just one Colonel with armies and armies behind his back. The way he acts is pretty much the polar opposite to what I had in mind.
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I do believe Otto Skorzeny (Nazi spy/commando) had an SS-rank that corresponded loosely to Lt. Colonel? And he was definitely a field op.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
Incidentally, what rank does Solid Snake hold? Does he have a rank at all?
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It looks like Konami sidestepped the question altogether.
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Just looked him up in the MGS Database. It doesn't say. He was a Green Beret before he joined FOXHOUND for MG1, if that's any help. In MG2 and MGS he's retired from the Army, and in MGS2 and 4 he's with an anti-Metal Gear NGO. He's a free agent, and the database won't say what rank he was before. Colonel Campbell stops being a Colonel around MGS, but Snake still refers to him by rank out of respect.
It looks like Konami sidestepped the question altogether. |
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I see from the first few posts you should have about all the information you need. Keep in mind that although the names of ranks differ by branch of service; pay grades are generally parallel. Not sure how detailed you wanted to get, but just in case:
http://www.combatcasting.com/RankStructure.html
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IIRC James Bond is a Major, no? (although he's of course intelligence, and not regular army, and british at that)
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Naval ranks are a whole different realm.
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