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I disagree that so many WoW weapons are as overly ornate as you describe. I mean, yes, there's squids-on-sticks, but there's a lot of stuff like Betrayer of Humanity and Nesingwary 4000 that would be fine.
While I'll be the first to say WoW's weapons designs are decidedly silly, I will agree with you completely that a lot of them could at least serve as inspiration for City of Heroes weapons. Unlike most MMOs, WoW doesn't go for a photo-realistic look, but it still keeps the overly-elaborate, complicated design of the genre, so we get things like rifles with skills and tusks and chains hanging off them, or a staff with a gargoyle sitting on it and so forth. I never actually played the game, myself, but my friend has a Hunter he likes to show me, and I've seen a good deal of the game's rifles, bows and crossbows, and a lot of them, while cool, would be FAR too ornate for the style of City of Heroes. I picked this rifle specifically because it's one of the cooler ones that's still pretty simple.
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http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//c...Mace_Final.jpg
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http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//6..._Axe_Final.jpg
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//f...Bane_Final.jpg
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//e...word_Final.jpg
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//3...Fang_Final.jpg
It's not like I was suggesting a firearm made out of someone's spine.

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Point taken
I disagree that so many WoW weapons are as overly ornate as you describe. I mean, yes, there's squids-on-sticks, but there's a lot of stuff like Betrayer of Humanity and Nesingwary 4000 that would be fine.
Compare to: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//e/e9/Retrorifle.jpg http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//c...Mace_Final.jpg http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//c...esisRifle2.JPG http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//6..._Axe_Final.jpg http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//f...Bane_Final.jpg http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//e...word_Final.jpg http://wiki.cohtitan.com/w/images//3...Fang_Final.jpg It's not like I was suggesting a firearm made out of someone's spine. ![]() |

As long as we can avoid "squid on a stick" designs for the most part, I see no problem with borrowing a few of WoW's weapon designs. Battle Axe could certainly use a few more options, and as I said, a few flintlock rifles and pistols would be very welcome.
By the way, it's funny you should mention "squid on a stick," because I recall the Tech War Mace being described as "microwave on a stick"

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haha.
Point taken
![]() As long as we can avoid "squid on a stick" designs for the most part, I see no problem with borrowing a few of WoW's weapon designs. Battle Axe could certainly use a few more options, and as I said, a few flintlock rifles and pistols would be very welcome. By the way, it's funny you should mention "squid on a stick," because I recall the Tech War Mace being described as "microwave on a stick" ![]() |
If you've never seen Terestrian's Stranglestaff, the top writhes around like a literal squid on a stick.
I wanted to link some of the Icecrown weapons, but omg, those were overly ornate with skulls and random colors all over the place.
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There's a weapon in one of the expansions to the original Half-Life which is basically a big alien fish. You hold it under your right arm with its head resting on your hand and reload it by feeding it little balls of... something... which it then "fires" at the enemy when you squeeze it with your arm. Every now and then, in one of the idle animations, your left hand will come across and pet it on the head.
By the way, it's funny you should mention "squid on a stick," because I recall the Tech War Mace being described as "microwave on a stick"
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So there's the next new skin for Assault Rifle.

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Ah, the Fish in Opposing Force. Never in the history of gaming has there been a deadly weapon that has been so cute
There's a weapon in one of the expansions to the original Half-Life which is basically a big alien fish. You hold it under your right arm with its head resting on your hand and reload it by feeding it little balls of... something... which it then "fires" at the enemy when you squeeze it with your arm. Every now and then, in one of the idle animations, your left hand will come across and pet it on the head.
So there's the next new skin for Assault Rifle. ![]() |

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That weapon is in the Opposing Forces expansion! It was always one of my favorites weapons.
There's a weapon in one of the expansions to the original Half-Life which is basically a big alien fish. You hold it under your right arm with its head resting on your hand and reload it by feeding it little balls of... something... which it then "fires" at the enemy when you squeeze it with your arm. Every now and then, in one of the idle animations, your left hand will come across and pet it on the head.
So there's the next new skin for Assault Rifle. ![]() |
Hmmm....I never finished that expansion actually.
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On something of a tangent, are there any NPC's who use flintlock pistols (not rifles)? They seem like the kind of thing a Nemesis officer might use. Perhaps the as-yet-unseen calvarymen who ride the Nemesis Flying Pony Thingy.
Speaking of new weapons, I'd actually like to see at least a couple of flintlock pistols and rifles that aren't borrowed from any of the NPCs. For instance, and I know bringing up WoW is a bad call, here's an eccentric rifle that would fit right into City of Heroes.
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Banished Pantheon minions. Nemesis don't use flintlock. They use "steam powered."
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True, but their rifle design fits the "flintlock" look nevertheless. I actually wish we had a few rifles like theirs, but made specifically for the players. The Nemesis variants are kind of low-res.
Banished Pantheon minions. Nemesis don't use flintlock. They use "steam powered."
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And, yeah, the Banished Pantheon use the one flintlock pistol we have, and again, it suffers from the same problem - it's a low-res NPC borrow. I'd like to see a few new pistols like that, say a one of those with the funnel barrel and a steam punk gatling pistol like in Damnation

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Haven't even looked at the video, because guns don't do anything for me, but even I think that would look cool.
PBAoE Nuke. Stand up straight, both guns pointed forward, start firing, swing one way, the other, then full circle. Doesn't have to be so flashy, and more 'believable'. Hell, we could even get a whooshing trenchcoat in there.
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Though if they implement GG's suggestion about getting the enemies to line up and fuss about their place in line, I'd use the powerset.
I didn't realize there were all these dual pistol games out there. I thought this was a Punisher thing.
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The problem is that what you quoted only really works with autofire machine pistols, not with single-action semi-automatic pistols which have neither the magazine capacity nor the rate of fire to make such wide, sweeping arc of fire viable or believable. Look at the video and note what the "nuke" actually does - a mere handful of shots in all directions, presumably aimed, not fired in unguided bursts. If I recall correctly, the whole "nuke" doesn't fire more than a dozen, maybe a couple dozen rounds.
Haven't even looked at the video, because guns don't do anything for me, but even I think that would look cool.
Though if they implement GG's suggestion about getting the enemies to line up and fuss about their place in line, I'd use the powerset. I didn't realize there were all these dual pistol games out there. I thought this was a Punisher thing. |
Remember - the set is not Dual Uzis, it's Dual Handguns, which are assumed to be only semi-automatic and, from the looks of things, fairly high-calibre.
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I remember getting really annoyed when Better Off Dead came out, and they had that little animated cheeseburger playing the Van Halen song, and they'd put the tremolo bar on the guitar in the wrong place. Would have been physically impossible for it to actually change the string tension from that spot. I don't know what they were thinking.
The problem is that what you quoted only really works with autofire machine pistols, not with single-action semi-automatic pistols which have neither the magazine capacity nor the rate of fire to make such wide, sweeping arc of fire viable or believable. Look at the video and note what the "nuke" actually does - a mere handful of shots in all directions, presumably aimed, not fired in unguided bursts. If I recall correctly, the whole "nuke" doesn't fire more than a dozen, maybe a couple dozen rounds.
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Let me put it this way - Dual Handguns seem like they're designed to shoot slowly and fire really big bullets. An arc of fire requires that the shoot really fast, which doesn't seem to be in the design of the set. Instead of an aimless, wide-area burst, they've chosen aimed single shots fired in all directions. I use the word "aimed" here pretty loosely. I'm not saying the character literally aims the shots so much as that each shot fired is intended to hit, whereas a burst of fire relies on volume and expects only a few to hit.
I remember getting really annoyed when Better Off Dead came out, and they had that little animated cheeseburger playing the Van Halen song, and they'd put the tremolo bar on the guitar in the wrong place. Would have been physically impossible for it to actually change the string tension from that spot. I don't know what they were thinking.
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Slow fire vs. fast fire is what it comes down to, and Dual Handguns are slow.
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Agreed! I want Flashy sets! I want Dual Pistols to be a flashy set for sure!
I actually did see the Rain of Bullets power, as well. It's completely stupid, completely out of place, and COMPLETELY AWESOME! WANT!!!
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I've been waiting for a Dual Pistol set for almost 5 years, I hate to see it be a "stand there and shoot" boring and simple set. I want those acrobatic moves put in.
Which as someone who couldn't get the DP set as a scrapper, I'd hope they'd make it look like a scrapper using it...

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And I still want to see at least one or two brand new flintlock pistols. Playing Torchlight and running dual pistols for a while there has given me a brand new degree of preference for these things