Dirty Fighting yay or nay

I made a thread pretty much the exact same to this, on archetypes and powersets, but realized it belonged here. Dirty Fighting would be a melee powerset for brutes and scrappers, where your character does anything in his/her power to win. Your character is not above, concealing weapons, or hitting below the belt.

This is my half baked powerset for a scrappper, feel free to make some changes if you have better ideas


1. Sucker Punch - Melee Minor Damage

1. Kidney Shot - Melee Moderate Damage

2. Knee - Melee moderate Damage -foe -defence

6. Build Up

8. Headbutt - Minor Damage Stunning attack

12. Taunt

18. Character reveals a blade near his ankle and does a quick slash - Melee High Damage Cone

26. Groin Kick - Melee Superior Damage -foe -defence

32. Gun (customizable) Character reveals a small fire arm hidden in his ankle or by his side - Ranged High Damage, Foe: knockback

Anti-Criticism

Criticism- Moves won't make contact with desired areas

Answer - When you fight half of the time your not even touching your enemy, you are standing 3 feet apart. I dont see why not making contact would be a big issue

Criticism - How can someone who learned to fight on the streets, compete with super heroes/villians?

Answer - How can a with a guy with a sword? Besides Luke Cage learned to fight on the streets, and he does fine.



So yay or nay?

/nay

Especially when the Tier 9 isn't much 'fighting' as it is 'shooting'. We've got a shooty-shooty bang-bag set, and it's pretty good so far. Over all, this set looks lackluster, both in performance and design.

Sorry, bro, but you're on a good start. There have been a lot of good 'Street Fighting' powersets suggested.

You're going to have to come up with something a little more... Epic if you want to really push for a new set. Just cheap shots and knives isn't really something that would be very appropriate for, say, a level 50 hero fighting Zeus Titans, Rikti and the Soldiers of Rualruu. Hell, how can you even kick a giant eyeball in the crotch? Or a robot, for that matter?

And, really, "a gun" is probably the most uninspiring final power in any set that I can think of. That's doubly as bad considering "a gun" is what even the wimpiest of level 1 Hellions starts with and what the wimpiest of Thugs Mastermind attacks actually is. Even something as relatively non-flashy as Broadsword has a special place for its final attack, with fancy "pillar of pain" effects, a rather dramatic swing and its ability to cleave through up to five people.

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I think a couple of these moves could be alternate animations for Martial Arts powerset.

overall, im gona have to say nay

it seems very basic and grey to me, just weedy punches, plus as stated before street fighting has been arround for a while and this is basically a lesser version of street fighting.

Switch out the gun for a Shoryuken and it could work.

I agree with Lycanus that it's good as alternate animations for martial arts or superstrength.
I remember earlier discussions about street fighting powersets, with powers like "Gut punch" that cause the enemy to vomit. However, I think it's more convenient to make a new melee IO set with a "chance for vomit" proc rather than making an entire new powerset.

Lvl 1 - Hammer Punch: Minor/Moderate Damage, chance to stun
You punch your enemy wherever they looks vulnerable, wherever that is. Attacking the weak points gives you a chance to leave your enemy helpless for a moment, as they recover.

Lvl 1 - Viscious Kick: Moderate damage, -def
You lash out at your opponent, forcing them to back off. Even then, it's hard to put off a determined attacker, effectively lowering their defence as they try and back away.

Lvl 2 - Furious Assault: Cone Moderate Damage
You swing at ever opponent in range. It doesn't need to be pretty, it just needs to make them hurt.
(For the animation, a right swing, left swing, then a sort fo roundhouse kick. Certainly not another flurry port)

Lvl 6 - Headbutt: Moderate damage, self +damage, +hit
You headbutt your opponent and, while most people might find it painful, all it does for you is get the adrenaline pumping. It might well wear off fast, but it's enough to get you in a real fighting mood.

Lvl 8 - Rabbit Kick: High Damage, Knockback, chance for -end
You land a kick with both feet on your opponent, with enough force to knock them flying. Theres a chance that such a swift fall will knock some of the air from their lungs as well.

Lvl 12 - Verbal Assault: Foe Taunt, low chance for fear
You pick out one opponent and throw every insult you can bring to mind at them. Most foes will be incensed by your tirade, but some might be made to quiver in panic at your furious barrage of verbal abuse.

Lvl 18 - Handful of Dirt: Cone, Foe Confuse, Sleep, -hit
In the finest manner of fighting dirty, anything can be a weapon. The failsafe is a handful of whatever is to hand; dirt, stones, sand, inter-dimensional spore plant. Whatever gets in your opponents face and makes him reel.

Lvl 26 - Knee-Capper: Moderate damage, immobilise, slow
Sometimes it's not about hurting your opponent. It's making them stand the heck still. A swift boot to the knee cap, or whatever the equivelant is, tends to slow most things down, even if it doesn't stop them in their tracks.

Lvl 32 - Unrelenting Assault: Superior Damage, Targetted AoE, Knockdown
You launch yourself full pelt at your enemy, pummeling your opponent, and anyone unlucky enough to be stood nearby, into the ground. You are such a windmill of limbs that any enemy within range is likely to get hit.



A combination of attacks with debuffs and mez, to signify that Fighting Dirty is all about getting the upper hand, whatever it takes.
The much requested Headbutt.
And a lvl 32 that is a bit like Shield Charge, only a targetted AoE, most likely a slightly smaller radius. The original idea was to do something like Chain Induction, but that would probably be too damn hard to pull off, teleporting multiple times around the mob.

All in all, I dont think Fighting Dirty is a write off, and can be used against any opponent, the same as swords, maces and longbows still are.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.