Release notes for build 1600.20090930.0 - 10/5/09
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Posted on: 2009-10-05 16:11 in The Global Training Room Test Server
And people were already saying that Shield Charge for Tankers was a bit too powerful. (They're wrong IMO.)
My Fire/SD Scrapper will appreciate the fix as well.
Unless the patch is live before the end of the week this coming weekend's Shardtober run of Justin Augustine will be a bit light on merits. Oh well.
Nice batch of fixes regardless.
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After the update, I am unable to log in to the test server.
Edit: Good to go. 
Thanks GF!
Back to working on my Arc...
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
After the update, I am unable to log in to the test server.
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Thanks, GF! That did the trick.
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Scrappers * Shield Defense - Shield Charge: Modified this powers damage to have it correctly be multiplied by the Scrapper damage modifier. The end result is a large increase in damage to this power. |
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I guess that answers the question of what AT to get as an elec/shield.
However, this introduces a balance issue. AAO is dramatically less useful for brutes than scrappers. Before, brutes' shield charge advantage was more than enough to make that irrelevant, but now shields are definitely better for non-brutes.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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All Brute powesets beneft less from +damage buffs. This doesn't introduce a balance issue. It might be highlighting an existing one.|
Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
However, this introduces a balance issue. AAO is dramatically less useful for brutes than scrappers. Before, brutes' shield charge advantage was more than enough to make that irrelevant, but now shields are definitely better for non-brutes.
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For example, this situation has existed all along for Super Strength with Rage and other sets with Build Up. (Not even mentioning that BU is smaller +damage for Brutes than it is for Scrappers.)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Brutes also have higher base HP, and thus get more out of true grit. Balance is a good thing.
The only possible issue I can think of now is the damage cap on psuedo-pets being the same and not following the AT's damage cap.
Be well, people of CoH.
Somehow, someway brutes are perfectly ok with this slight balance issue...nothing to see here Castle.
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Build up is not much of a concern since every primary gets a similar power, but this is one of the specialties of shields. I didn't think of true grit, but if that power wasn't there it would be important to the balance of secondaries within the AT and shields across ATs.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
All Brute powesets beneft less from +damage buffs. This doesn't introduce a balance issue. It might be highlighting an existing one.
For example, this situation has existed all along for Super Strength with Rage and other sets with Build Up. (Not even mentioning that BU is smaller +damage for Brutes than it is for Scrappers.) |
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Oh hell yes.
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Scrappers Shield Defense - Shield Charge: Modified this power’s damage to have it correctly be multiplied by the scrapper damage modifier. The end result is a large increase in damage to this power. |
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Really? Why? I mean, if it were a decent exchange rate, sure, this would be good. But as the rates now stand, well, changing the hair color of SG Registrar to one shade darker would be a more beneficial change... >_>
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Originally Posted by Niviene
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While the sound glitch with INV might be fixed, my FX for Invincibility on my INV tanker (female) are still not showing no matter what I set it to (dark, bright, original [usually use orginal]) as has been the case since the patch that brought the sound glitch... I was hoping they were somehow tied together...
Also Unyielding seems to have a weird delay in show the FX about 1 second after the animation finishes, but Invincibility is way more important to me, my character feels... wrong without that glow...
Yay, a bug i reported got fixed!
...good thing I already finished, ah, "testing" it >_>
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Originally Posted by Niviene
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Also: Geez, that added 130.99 extra damage onto my Scrapper's Shield Charge. Me like.
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The fact that just about every Brute attack set gets something like Build Up reinforces the point. All Brute powers that buff damage function equally less well on a Brute as, say, on a Scrapper. I don't how see /Shield merits special consideration or is uniquely disadvantaged. Fiery Embrace is party of the supposed offensive specialty of Firey Aura, and yet it is just as degraded on a Brute compared to on a Scrapper because more of a Brute's damage potential is an additive bonus on a smaller base.|
Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
Build up is not much of a concern since every primary gets a similar power, but this is one of the specialties of shields.
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There's nothing magically bad about the damage buff from */Shield on Brutes here. It works like everything else similar across the AT.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Woot! My DM/SD scrap thanks you. |
Originally Posted by Niviene
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But...Will it now Crit, like its supposed to?
Or would that throw it out of "Balance"?
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Like Blizzard, Shield Charge summoned a pseudo-pet that used its own AT modifier, very likely matching the intended damage for a Brute. Because all versions of the power summoned the same pseudo-pet which disregarded AT modifiers and used its own, this was not working as intended (far as I'm concerned, half the powers rigged like this aren't, but that's besides the point) and the ATs it wasn't giving the right damage for got a boost.|
Originally Posted by Clouded
Somehow, someway brutes are perfectly ok with this slight balance issue...nothing to see here Castle.
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It's also highly likely that the powerset WAS balanced for Scrappers, with Tankers and Brutes getting more than they were supposed to, but a change in the opposite direction - reducing Brute and Tanker damage BY A LOT would not have gone over well.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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I don't see a note for the exemplar influence/infamy bug, did it make it in this patch?
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So we fix the badge and not the MM Temp power?
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Originally Posted by Niviene
Release notes for build 1600.20090930.0
[B]October 5th 2009 City of Villains: Badges
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What bug would this be? Never heard of it
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Originally Posted by BurninUp
I don't see a note for the exemplar influence/infamy bug, did it make it in this patch?
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Other Scrapper secondary powers that do damage do not crit -- I'm not sure if it's just some or all. For example, Dark Armor's PBAoE damage toggle, Death Shroud, has never critted. I'm guessing that's why Shield Charge doesn't crit. If they do change it to crit, they should probably change all the Scrapper secondary powers that do damage.
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Originally Posted by Bud
Woot! My DM/SD scrap thanks you.
But...Will it now Crit, like its supposed to? Or would that throw it out of "Balance"? |
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Information can be found in this thread: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=2294286|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
What bug would this be? Never heard of it
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Basically, you don't see any increase in infamy/influence when exemplaring. You get exactly the same amount.
Release notes for build 1600.20090930.0
October 5th 2009
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