Release Notes for 19.20090918.3T - 9/24/09

Just to give you some clarification on the new and old systems...

In most Heroic/Villainous missions, foes can normally be either your level, or one level higher than you.

Rugged/Vicious made your foes 1 level higher than normal.
Invincible/Relentless made your foes 2 levels higher than normal.

That meant that, on Invincible/Relentless, you could meet +2 and +3 foes.

I16 kept that functionality but added two new tiers: 3 levels higher and 4 levels higher. Foes still float +0/+1 levels above the new I16 settings.

Edit: I16 also separated out the size and level of the spawn into independent variables, so you can go solo a spawn of even-level foes sized for an 8-man team, or solo +4/5 foes sized for a team of one, or any combo in between.

Yep. The one exception to the +5 thing is if you're at level 50. As far as I know, there's no such thing as a level 55 mob. So at level 50, the +4 setting really just means +4.

I thought that this had been implemented yesterday, as there were no patch notes, but it seems it hadn't... any data for this?

Nothing. And Horatio is no longer with us. Stupid devs. No word on it being fixed either :<.

Perhaps we should refer to this as a "City of Villains feature" like Base Raids and Items of Powers.

Holy Necro-Thread Batman!

Seriously, four months is not long. Look at the know issues on PW http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Known_issues A lot of them have been around for more than four months. Hell, my GF ran into a bug that I have been reporting for 5 years last night. I really don't think that people would be coming back because they fixed the TF difficulty slider. That is a minor thing honestly.

"Sorry bucko, but CoH and CoV are the same game." -BackAlleyBrawler
"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho

I am just amused that people actually thought they'd revisit this anytime within the next few years.

I know a whole bunch of people that had this actually been fixed in decent time would have come back but are frankly sick of waiting on a fix for something important like this. How exactly is this a minor detail? Fighting +0's is about as interesting as watching paint dry, there's a reason why virtually any PUG (let alone decent SG team) is running at +1-3.

The Coming Storm may not have expressed himself in the best way, but that anger is very much valid.

It came up in the other threads on this in technical issues and I didn't want to believe it but it's become very apparant that we are the freaks, those of us who would rather run a Sister Psyche at +2 for fun, a challenge and better XP instead of using the TF's as an exercise in monotony to hammer out merits at the best rate possible.

I'm hearing vague comments of the fix being part of I17, a *mere* 6 months after it was broken, assuming somethng they put into I17 doesn't break said fix, and still 2 months off.
The TF's are the teaming flagship event for the game, you know roughly how long people will need to commit for, that there's a decent carrot reward at the end to help motivate team filling among your more reward driven players, it has a decent little story and in some cases some nice unique challenges.

Now you still know how long it takes but you'll only get people after the carrot because the actual journey stopped being fun the first time you realise that several SO'd team members are perfectly capable of handling the whole thing alone because of the pathetically wimpy enemies and because with the +5 levels they're actually *more* powerful than in the +2 runnign days.

But hey, who cares, the speed runners and merit farmers are happy and CO flopped so it's not like they actually need to produce a game people enjoy, just cater to the people willing to spam the same easy content every time the 24 hour timer runs out...

Now before people start, I don't mind regular farmers, or speed runners to a degree (though what you guys did to the Katie/Eden rewards will never be forgiven) but if thats the direction this game is going in I just want to know because then I can start shopping around for a new distraction.