I usually ramp up the difficulty on console game to begin with. One game I cannot do that with is The Ninja Gaidens. Even on Nintendo they were hard. I bought Ninja Gaiden Sigma for PS3.....I "accidentally" broke my controller because I was so furious! LOL! All in all it was still fun. Especially when I eventually beat it....on normal. LOL!
Dungeon Crawl. Been playing for over a year and I've only once come close to winning.
Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
I tried to avoid mentioning roguelikes. Dwarf Fortress was the notable exception, since there is no tutorial to let you know how to play the fortress mode. It's all trial and failure, and you probably will fail the first times early on in the lifetime of the fortress. After that, you will fail for other reasons.
If you want Nintendo Hard, I'll mention the Etrian Odyssey series, and the game Dark Spire, and Class of Heroes. Class of Heroes does not give you any equipment except the worst stuff, and you get to craft the other stuff. Once you do, however, it's great. The beginning part is bad.
Etrian Odyssey is notable because of the FOE. Yep, they're called that. You'll probably run into one when you're out of TP (technique points) and cannot heal damage or status problems. You will surely die.
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Also, and I am not making this up.
I beat E.T. on the 2600. Took me two years or so to figure it out, and on easy, but I did it.
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Battletoads. I saw someone mention this one earlier. I've beaten the speeder bike stage, I've beaten Volkmyer's Inferno, but Karnath's lair? Always skipped it. And The Dark Queen is the CHEAPEST boss I've ever fought.
I had an easier time beating Star Tropics 2!
Top Gun...ya know? I never had a problem with that game.
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Left 4 Dead - mostly easy.
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Now, if they removed the Respawn closets? So you could only respawn after the end of each stage? That would probably kick it up into more nintendo-esque territory. Those closets are so cheap.
Also it pisses me off when people want to kill each other at the end of a level in order to heal. That is so inhumane! It makes me so happy when a horde comes and devours the one last standing guy after he plugs the whole team.
EDIT: Forgot the other thing I was gonna mention. Pretty much the whole Mega Man series.
I mean, yes, it's possible to beat them, and some people are naturally REALLY GOOD at MegaMan games, but to be Nintendo Hard, I didn't think it was required to be unbeatable, per se.
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Jurassic Park on the Sega Genesis. But only if you're playing as the Raptor.
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The end.
I ended up beating that game as the Raptor 'bout a week after my dad bought it for me, way back when. Grant, though... that took me a few months, and only because I didn't realize the solution was right in front of me.
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If you want Nintendo Hard, I'll mention the Etrian Odyssey series, and the game Dark Spire, and Class of Heroes.
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That mysterious orange thing is an FOE.
That thing that you aggroed is an FOE.
When you don't have any TP, there's an FOE.
Even during a boss fight, there's an FOE.
When your Protector's dead, there's an FOE.
... I still haven't hit the grindstone long enough for me to get past the FOE-only floor in Etrian Odyssey 2.
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I've read that it was actually impossible to beat Battletoads with two players because of a bug in the Clinger Winger stage. The second player couldn't go past the first and would always get eaten by that technicolor orb thingy that was chasing you. I've never gotten that far with another player to see for myself, though.
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Originally Posted by PsychoPez
When I beat the land speeder stage of battletoads (Solo, dear god never in two player) my friends watching and I cheered like we had just won the Super Bowl or something.
Then I died in Stage 4. I've watched speed runs of Battletoads and seeing how little of the game I actually got through frightened me. |
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Alien for the C-64.
Holy...someone else had that? It always became a race to see who could blow up the Nostromo for me. Plus, you couldn't ditch that damned cat!!
Castlevania II: Simon's Quest wasn't Nintendo Hard, but it was Nintendo stupid for forcing a Guide Dang It as the manual never told you what all of the items did, and the localization (i.e. the translation) was awful so you rarely understood what the villagers were telling you.
I recently replayed the game and it's actually fairly easy if you know where to go and how to use the items. The secret of Deborah cliff literally took me years to find out about. After the frustrating amount of time I spent just trying to get to the end, Drac is a total freaking pushover. Simon's Quest is actually probably the easiest incarnation of him in the series. So, Nintendo Hard, no. Controller-crushing, TV-smashing, console-kicking frustrating, oh hellsyeah
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Final Fight. I did complete it, several times over, but you had to play it about a thousand times to be able to do it in less than 20 continues.
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I just bought an XBox a month or so ago. Today's mega blockbuster games are mind-numbingly easy. I could've beaten Mass Effect with my eyes closed. Now granted, I'm playing my 3rd playthrough just to get all the achievements, and it's more grinding than challenging, but still.
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Oh hey Battle toads, lets see if I can get past stage 3
*an hour later*
EEEEEVIIIIILLL!
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I felt like this since this generation (PS3, 360, Wii) of gaming started. Some of the reason for this was so that developers could appeal to the "casual" gamer.....the person who either does not have hours of time to play, or does not care about how easy or hard a game is. All they want to do is play.|
Originally Posted by PsychoPez
I just bought an XBox a month or so ago. Today's mega blockbuster games are mind-numbingly easy. I could've beaten Mass Effect with my eyes closed. Now granted, I'm playing my 3rd playthrough just to get all the achievements, and it's more grinding than challenging, but still.
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Last generation did not have this problem as much. It is much more apparent nowadays.
I guess you could buy DLC to get a game to last longer (since some of the longest modern games top out at 20 hours max)....not a fan of that at all though. If I pay 60 dollars for a game, I want a complete product, not a half-finished game that only looks prettier, but pales in comparison when it comes to content to its predecessors. (Looking at you, King Of Fighters 12.) That, however, is for another thread. I could go on for hours.
(Bought this up in another thread a few weeks ago: If only the price of a game were determined on how long a game lasted.....I feel bad for anyone who paid full price for Heavenly Sword, only to finish it in a few days.)
I just decided to stay in the era of PS2 and before. Screw this generation.
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I went back to college a few years ago. During my days there, I got to know the younger generation of nerds and gamers. I found that while they were just about as good as I was in the newer games (Call of Duty, 3d fighters, etc), when we went to a 2d game or a throwback of some sort (side-scrolling shooters, platformers, Street Fighter 4, old school 2d fighters), I was suddenly far better than them.
There's some sort of huge difference in the new and old. Precise timing and bullet hell gameplay isn't rewarded like it used to be. Instead of timing that dragon punch to counter the guy who jumped at you, the newer games tend to reward hours of practicing borderline exploits in order to do five hour long combo strings. You don't need fast precise movements so much as you need "twitch" reflexes to fire at your enemy as soon as possible. The entire concept of bullet hell throws the younger generation of gamers for absolute loops, as evidenced whenever we played Aegis Wing, a VERY VERY easy (compared to old school) side scrolling shooter on xbox live.
Sure, I kinda sound like grandpa gamer over here, but the kids today seem to have been brought up on entirely different mechanics than the older gamers were. They aren't necessarily worse, they're just not as exposed to a variety of gameplay as some of us. Hopefully retro gaming enjoys resurgences often enough to let them in on what they missed, though.
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I went back to college a few years ago. During my days there, I got to know the younger generation of nerds and gamers. I found that while they were just about as good as I was in the newer games (Call of Duty, 3d fighters, etc), when we went to a 2d game or a throwback of some sort (side-scrolling shooters, platformers, Street Fighter 4, old school 2d fighters), I was suddenly far better than them.
There's some sort of huge difference in the new and old. Precise timing and bullet hell gameplay isn't rewarded like it used to be. Instead of timing that dragon punch to counter the guy who jumped at you, the newer games tend to reward hours of practicing borderline exploits in order to do five hour long combo strings. You don't need fast precise movements so much as you need "twitch" reflexes to fire at your enemy as soon as possible. The entire concept of bullet hell throws the younger generation of gamers for absolute loops, as evidenced whenever we played Aegis Wing, a VERY VERY easy (compared to old school) side scrolling shooter on xbox live. Sure, I kinda sound like grandpa gamer over here, but the kids today seem to have been brought up on entirely different mechanics than the older gamers were. They aren't necessarily worse, they're just not as exposed to a variety of gameplay as some of us. Hopefully retro gaming enjoys resurgences often enough to let them in on what they missed, though. |
I once was behind a kid and his dad buying a game. His dad was picking out a few games that I wouldn't have minded trying, only to have his son say "don't get that. The graphics are horrible." I really wanted to head-desk the nearest wall.
I remember games being fun, regardless of what the graphics looked like. (Nostalgia kicking in now....lol)
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Another problem that I see is that most gamers these days (Mostly the ones under the age of 19) think that graphics are the only thing that make a game.
I once was behind a kid and his dad buying a game. His dad was picking out a few games that I wouldn't have minded trying, only to have his son say "don't get that. The graphics are horrible." I really wanted to head-desk the nearest wall. I remember games being fun, regardless of what the graphics looked like. (Nostalgia kicking in now....lol) |
Its not just gamers, non gamers are being affected as well. My girlfriend has never really been what we'd call a gamer, mostly casual play here and there. She's been playing Fable 2 over at a friends house. Long story short. I dusted off the N64 the other week and popped in Zelda Ocarina of time.
Tried my best to get her to play it, told her all about the epic adventure that awaits. An adventure that spans time and is easy to pick up. I felt sure if she could play Fable she'd have no trouble getting into Zelda.
The response...
This looks like a coloring book! I can't play this kiddie garbage!
/headdesk
/Facepalm
It's not about the graphics people, its about the gameplay.
She's been spoiled by Xbox and its shiny textures...
**sulks away putting his box of great titles like Mario64, Goldeneye and Conkers back in the box because they look too childish**
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**sulks away putting his box of great titles like Mario64, Goldeneye and Conkers back in the box because they look too childish**
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The game that had a giant mountain of poo as a boss, that sang an opera as you throw toilet paper at him to defeat him?
That Conkers?
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Yep thats the one. I even tried explaining to her that it dealt with mature subjects, lampooned lots of movies and had lots of things to do.
Her response.
"Its a cartoon squirrel!?!?!" She couldn't get over the 'kiddie' look of it.
Now she's begging me to buy her an Xbox so she can play 'real' games.
I tried to suppress my nerdrage and asked what she meant by 'real'
She said "You know, games that are dark and real looking not cartoonish."
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Buy her an Atari and get the certain game involving General Custard and a Native American woman. There's your dark gameplay...
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Ugh, now you guys are making me cry.
And I'm getting flashbacky memories of the olden days. All the other kids were like "OMG 3D!" And I was all "Hello? Remember to get games that are fun to PLAY, okay? Fun of playing should be a really important thing! Also this three dee thing looks like crap anyway i dont get why you guys are so excited ohgoddontkillme."
I hereby use this opportunity to inform you, that if you are looking for a bit of quasi Nintendo HARD, I have redone Bad Dudes in AE.
look up @equation for the author.. and the title is "Archetect Retro gaming presents" I believe.
5 levels, each one pregressively tougher, I tried my bast to remake the bosses as close to the originals as I could.. yes, karnov, yes, that ninja with the huge claws, yes the dude who replicates himself... you'll find them all there. I hope you play it, and spend hours goingGAAAH WHY!
and the answer will simply be.. "Because the PRESIDENT has been CAPTURED.. by NINJAS.. and I'm a BAD ENOGH DUDE TO RESCUE HIM!"
Also, Bad Dudes was Nintendo Hard. XD
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