How the CRAP do you get xp from AE missions?
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Posted on: 2009-09-16 15:22 in Player Questions
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Stupid question first:|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I've made an Olypian Test for my Demi-God against a map full of my custom bosses. They are set to have minions and LT's around them, they are set at standard. So why am I not getting xp? What do you have to do to make this crappy AE work.
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Are you testing the mission?
Or have you published the mission?
There are no rewards in an unpublished mission. Test is used so that you can verify that the mobs are spawning correctly and that the mission text is executing properly.
Once you publish it and have an ARC ID, you should receive rewards for selecting it and running it as normal.
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Also, make sure they have all their standard powers (can't recall if that change went through already), or they'll give zero XP.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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I got it to work now, but MY BEJEEZUS they made the MOBS rediculously hard. Fighting even level minions (5) and (1) LT, stomped my crack into the dirt. I just tested myself against outside lvl mobs in PI minions and was able to take on 5 machine minions from Nemisis faction and (2) LT's from the same faction. I was fighting Cims in my mission. I am REGEN, so dmg type and dmg mitigation is the same for both. Why DEVS? Why make AE not even playable for people who want to create fun stuff for their RP toons?
I give ya'll 2 Thumbs Down in the area of AE! 
well with the new diff system in place any mission can be farm-efficient, can't it?
set your diff to +1
then set the number of mobs to x8
BAM! instant farm. At least it works for me.....I've torn through the first 20 levels with my claws brute in a couple of hours, solo, on those settings.
True, in an AE boss farm, that would only take about 20 min. But it's still easy xp.
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They haven't made any mobs harder in the AE than they are in "the world."|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I got it to work now, but MY BEJEEZUS they made the MOBS rediculously hard. Fighting even level minions (5) and (1) LT, stomped my crack into the dirt. I just tested myself against outside lvl mobs in PI minions and was able to take on 5 machine minions from Nemisis faction and (2) LT's from the same faction. I was fighting Cims in my mission. I am REGEN, so dmg type and dmg mitigation is the same for both. Why DEVS? Why make AE not even playable for people who want to create fun stuff for their RP toons?
I give ya'll 2 Thumbs Down in the area of AE! |
I'd much rather take on 5 Nemesis minions and 2 Nemesis Lieutenants than 5 Cimeroan Traitors with a Regen. The Cimeroans will hit you with stacking Defense Debuffs, which means they are hitting you much more often than the Nemesis are.
You should be using the same mobs in the world and in the AE, and reporting dissimilar results. Using different mob types and expecting the same results is skewing your findings.
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So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I got it to work now, but MY BEJEEZUS they made the MOBS rediculously hard. Fighting even level minions (5) and (1) LT, stomped my crack into the dirt. I just tested myself against outside lvl mobs in PI minions and was able to take on 5 machine minions from Nemisis faction and (2) LT's from the same faction. I was fighting Cims in my mission. I am REGEN, so dmg type and dmg mitigation is the same for both. Why DEVS? Why make AE not even playable for people who want to create fun stuff for their RP toons?
I give ya'll 2 Thumbs Down in the area of AE! |
Got a problem with the AE mobs you made?
List their powersets and AI difficulty
List your powersets and your Reputation settings.
Give people a chance to explain why you're having a hard time, before you have a fit over the AE.
You're a regen fighting Cimerorans. That makes the answer to your problem easy. They specialize in high spikes of melee damage. If you don't time things so you're not taking too much at one time, or are knocking them down before they can hit you, or hitting MoG, then you're going to suffer. Nemesis specialize in AoE explosions with DoT damage. That means they hit decently hard, but less damage at one time.
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Cims are tough. Do you run The Wall regularly?
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Ok, you jumped into something where you don't know what you're doing and made something too hard for yourself and it's the devs fault? Try a different mob type and see if the results are the same. Ae is very playable and fun for people who want to create their own missions but it's also very easy to make ridiculously difficult enemies or missions. Some people find that fun too.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I got it to work now, but MY BEJEEZUS they made the MOBS rediculously hard. Fighting even level minions (5) and (1) LT, stomped my crack into the dirt. I just tested myself against outside lvl mobs in PI minions and was able to take on 5 machine minions from Nemisis faction and (2) LT's from the same faction. I was fighting Cims in my mission. I am REGEN, so dmg type and dmg mitigation is the same for both. Why DEVS? Why make AE not even playable for people who want to create fun stuff for their RP toons?
I give ya'll 2 Thumbs Down in the area of AE! |
Try not to post in the forum while you're upset, just give it some time to calm down and when you're not so upset and frustrated then examine your settings and make sure that everything is where it needs to be in order for you to do your missions.
The mobs are not any harder in Mission Architect then they are out in the game zones and inside missions received from Non-Playable Characters.
You should also give a little more detail as to your situation so that people more accurately help you trouble shoot. 
And like Beye said, any mission in the game is now capable of being farmed so I would suggest perhaps branching out from AE for a while and finding some new farms. Who knows you might discover the next Demon Farm-like mission! 
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Don't feed the nerd-raging troll.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I've made an Olypian Test for my Demi-God against a map full of my custom bosses. They are set to have minions and LT's around them, they are set at standard. So why am I not getting xp? What do you have to do to make this crappy AE work.
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I'm not trying to farm, so I'm not quite sure why that keeps coming up. Also, several posters have said that the enemies aren't any harder than outside. If that were the case then why were Maniac slammers changed in AE? They now have a fear and stun component. I have built the paramaters as such:
1. I am fighting Balder-Boss-DB/Inv, Hephestus-Boss-Stone/Stone, Hades-LT-Dark/Dark, and Apollo-Boss-Arch/FM. All on standard build.
2. Most are surruonded by Cimerorians, some COT Demons.
3.They are all even level con, except the bosses who are OJ, and the LT, yellow.
4. When fighting these same mobs in realworld situations, I DESTROY them.
5.I set each up to be just like what you'd have in regular missions. Death Mage-Dark/Dark-(Standard?) surrounded by COT Demons. Only diffrence is my "Death Mage" is a custom. Why are Customs so much harder? They must have been stealth buffed. . .I think that is the case. Not saying permanently, but for the time being, as a "bandaid fix" I think this is what happend.
Furthermore, what gives any of you who were "Nerd Rage Bashing" and basically bashing my opinion, who gave you the POWER to state your opinion and then call it right. IF you want to have a serious discussion, then you post your opinion, how you think yours is right, but you don't attack the persons' opinion that you think is wrong. Grow up and have an intellectual post of your opinon not an Ad hominem one.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
IF you want to have a serious discussion, then you post your opinion, how you think yours is right, but you don't attack the persons' opinion that you think is wrong. Grow up and have an intellectual post of your opinon not an Ad hominem one.
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If YOU want to have a serious discussion, then "grow up" and stop posting like you're an apocalypse doomcrier on a sugar rush.
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Any custom mobs have always done more damage than standard ones, because they were based off of hero/villain multipliers. |
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
5.I set each up to be just like what you'd have in regular missions. Death Mage-Dark/Dark-(Standard?) surrounded by COT Demons. Only diffrence is my "Death Mage" is a custom. Why are Customs so much harder? They must have been stealth buffed. . .I think that is the case. Not saying permanently, but for the time being, as a "bandaid fix" I think this is what happend.
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Plus, they aren't affected by certain rules that the standard mobs follow. An example of this is toggles. A single Tsoo sorcerer will toggle hurricane on and off randomly. A custom mob with hurricane will leave it on. If you fight two Tsoo sorcerers at the same time, they both cannot have hurricane active at the same time. A pair of custom mobs with hurricane will both leave it an all the time.
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Welcome to the Internet. We all have opinions, and they are all 100% right.|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
Furthermore, what gives any of you who were "Nerd Rage Bashing" and basically bashing my opinion, who gave you the POWER to state your opinion and then call it right. IF you want to have a serious discussion, then you post your opinion, how you think yours is right, but you don't attack the persons' opinion that you think is wrong. Grow up and have an intellectual post of your opinon not an Ad hominem one.
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Your custom enemies are tougher because their powers use the same values (for the most part) that players use. It's like going up against a version of yourself with worse AI (well, maybe...) It has always been like this since the AE came out.
Try tweaking the powersets, or choosing different ones. There is a lot of -def and -acc in those enemies. That can't be too good for a regen. I think the dark might even have -regen.
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Originally Posted by ghost_ripper
a map full of my custom bosses.
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| my bejeezus they made the mobs rediculously hard |
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Ha. . .ha. . .ha, your not funny. First of all, oh semantic one, you should know I was talking about the devs, even though I did not explicitly say, it was implied. Also, when I say bosses, it was not all bosses like old AE Farms, it was Boss surrounded my minions and LT's, which I did say. So, you can quit with the semantics, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Lady_Sadako
whose responsible this?
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Wow you're bright. |
Originally Posted by Westley
If YOU want to have a serious discussion, then "grow up" and stop posting like you're an apocalypse doomcrier on a sugar rush.
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Does this add any validity to my argument? Point proven, thanks.
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explain how citing a Topless Robot meme equates to 'semantics'.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
So, you can quit with the semantics, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I got it to work now, but MY BEJEEZUS they made the MOBS rediculously hard. Fighting even level minions (5) and (1) LT, stomped my crack into the dirt. I just tested myself against outside lvl mobs in PI minions and was able to take on 5 machine minions from Nemisis faction and (2) LT's from the same faction. I was fighting Cims in my mission. I am REGEN, so dmg type and dmg mitigation is the same for both. Why DEVS? Why make AE not even playable for people who want to create fun stuff for their RP toons?
I give ya'll 2 Thumbs Down in the area of AE! |
The mobs are not ridiculously hard unless you choose to make them so. Perhaps you haven't understood how mobs work in AE?
AE mobs function off the same values as players, this makes it very easy to create a mission significantly harder than you might have expected and you'll need to go back and rework it.
Many people are creating fun stuff for their RP toons and it has been very playable. Perhaps you should describe what you're hoping to accomplish and see how others have done it.
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So here is the thing. You are raging at the devs for decisions you made. When we point that out, attempt to call it semantics. The fault is yours not the devs and here is why:|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
Ha. . .ha. . .ha, your not funny. First of all, oh semantic one, you should know I was talking about the devs, even though I did not explicitly say, it was implied. Also, when I say bosses, it was not all bosses like old AE Farms, it was Boss surrounded my minions and LT's, which I did say. So, you can quit with the semantics, thanks.
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1) Custom mobs as has been pointed out, allows you to have different options then a standard mob. Those options will make them more difficult but the choice of using those options is your own. Also as been pointed out, they use player stats vs npc stats.I guess this could be blamed on the devs.
2) The combination of normal mobs you are using do not exist in the normal game. Their powers are going to synergize differently. For instance, -def, -acc, and -regen as has been pointed out. You may very well walk through those individual mobs with no problems. The same obviously cannot be said when they are combined. This is cannot blame on the devs as you choose this combination.
You may want to back up a little bit and look at what your fellow players are saying not necessarily how we are saying it. Lady_Sadako post points out a distinct irony in you claim that they (being the devs) made AE too tough when you made the mission. And you reacted as if she kicked your puppy. You can choose the take it personally or not. But, keep in mind the reaction you will generate. You claim others need to grow up but, are the one throwing the tantrum.
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Actually, I've noticed the custom mobs are more difficult than standard ones. Plus they have incredible agro range.
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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
They haven't made any mobs harder in the AE than they are in "the world."
I'd much rather take on 5 Nemesis minions and 2 Nemesis Lieutenants than 5 Cimeroan Traitors with a Regen. The Cimeroans will hit you with stacking Defense Debuffs, which means they are hitting you much more often than the Nemesis are. You should be using the same mobs in the world and in the AE, and reporting dissimilar results. Using different mob types and expecting the same results is skewing your findings. |
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Slammer farms were quite popular because they were weak mobs, and provided good xp for little risk. They were not made harder just in the Architect, they were made harder out in the world, too.|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I'm not trying to farm, so I'm not quite sure why that keeps coming up. Also, several posters have said that the enemies aren't any harder than outside. If that were the case then why were Maniac slammers changed in AE? They now have a fear and stun component. I have built the paramaters as such:
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| 1. I am fighting Balder-Boss-DB/Inv, Hephestus-Boss-Stone/Stone, Hades-LT-Dark/Dark, and Apollo-Boss-Arch/FM. All on standard build. |
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2. Most are surruonded by Cimerorians, some COT Demons. 3.They are all even level con, except the bosses who are OJ, and the LT, yellow. |
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| 4. When fighting these same mobs in realworld situations, I DESTROY them. |
Never mind the fact that, in a previous post, you compared fighting Cimeroans in the Architect to fighting Nemesis in the world. You made no mention of being able to melt Cimeroan mobs prior to the post I am quoting. We can only base our opinions off of the information you provide us, and if things don't add up, we will point that out.
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| 5.I set each up to be just like what you'd have in regular missions. Death Mage-Dark/Dark-(Standard?) surrounded by COT Demons. Only diffrence is my "Death Mage" is a custom. Why are Customs so much harder? They must have been stealth buffed. . .I think that is the case. Not saying permanently, but for the time being, as a "bandaid fix" I think this is what happend. |
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| Furthermore, what gives any of you who were "Nerd Rage Bashing" and basically bashing my opinion, who gave you the POWER to state your opinion and then call it right. IF you want to have a serious discussion, then you post your opinion, how you think yours is right, but you don't attack the persons' opinion that you think is wrong. Grow up and have an intellectual post of your opinon not an Ad hominem one. |
For the record, your opinion ("Standard enemies in the Architect are tougher than they are in the world") is wrong, and I believe we have sufficiently proven that. However, you continue to argue it in the face of overwhelming evidence.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
I've made an Olypian Test for my Demi-God against a map full of my custom bosses. They are set to have minions and LT's around them, they are set at standard. So why am I not getting xp? What do you have to do to make this crappy AE work.