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Are you going to make me list the contacts redside that are not Arachnos-affiliated and have no missions on behalf of Arachnos? |
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So you street swept from 1 to 50?
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It's kind of a long list, is all.
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Nope, but I'll still call BS. Everyone works for LR, whether they want to/know it or not.
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Are you going to make me list the contacts redside that are not Arachnos-affiliated and have no missions on behalf of Arachnos?
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I think you hold Recluse's influence in higher esteem than I do, but I'm open to convincing. If you have a line of argument that supports your position, I'd be interested in seeing it.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Nope, but I'll still call BS. Everyone works for LR, whether they want to/know it or not.
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I don't believe you can say many of the contacts work for LR. They may be tolerated by Arachnos but that doesn't mean they work for him. Unless you want to say every American works for the President of the U.S. by the same token.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Nope, but I'll still call BS. Everyone works for LR, whether they want to/know it or not.
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It's not a corporation as far as I know.
edited to add: I mean doesn't Burke specifically state you aren't working for Arachnos with him?
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I see it as working for X by proxy. The individuals that provide missions in the rogue isles do so at the say so and leave of Arachnos, and by extension, LR himself.
Taking down the Phalanx or Vindicators benefits Arachnos. Beating up Longbow all day long benefits Arachnos.
Yes, we all get to hand him his head (if you do some work for his henchmen) but in the end, all that you do on the villain side ends up defending the status quo.
But then again, I see our species as working for the tax man and by extension directly serving those in power in real life, so it makes sense that this view would be the same in any virtual world where entities hold power.
<shrug> Not that this matters at all. In the end I'm just in it to smash skulls and slice open bellies.
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That makes sense. I guess I just play my villains too much like the Joker. If it were real life Recluse would have me killed or try anyway.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Burke actually is sorta: He's taking jobs from Mako for the anti-Snake stuff.|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Are you going to make me list the contacts redside that are not Arachnos-affiliated and have no missions on behalf of Arachnos?
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Contacts that don't work for Arachnos and give you no missions on behalf of Arachnos:
Doctor Creed
Mongoose
Angelo Vendetti
Billie Heck
Mr. Bocor
The Radio
Dmitri Krylov
Dr. Percey
Peter Themari
Willy Wheeler
Golden Roller
Archmage Tarixus
Captain Petrovich
Crash Cage
Lorenz Ansaldo
Lt. Chalmers
Vince Dubrowski
Henri Dumont
Darla Mavis
Diviner Maros
Doc Buzzsaw
Hardcase
Hard Luck
Psymon Omega
Slot Machine
Vivacious Verandi
Basse Croupier
Jezebel Jones
Johnny Sonata
Kelly Uqua
Ambassador Kuhr'Rekt
Terrence Dobbs
Abyss
Tavish Bell
Television
Plus the Midnighter/Cimerora/RWZ contacts. Think that's it.
A list of contacts who give no missions for or against Arachnos, though, would probably be short indeed.
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Doctor Creed
Mongoose Angelo Vendetti Billie Heck Mr. Bocor The Radio Dmitri Krylov Dr. Percey Peter Themari Willy Wheeler Golden Roller Archmage Tarixus Darla Mavis Diviner Maros Doc Buzzsaw Hardcase Psymon Omega Slot Machine Vivacious Verandi Basse Croupier Jezebel Jones Johnny Sonata Kelly Uqua Ambassador Kuhr'Rekt Terrence Dobbs Abyss Tavish Bell Television Plus the Midnighter/Cimerora/RWZ contacts. Think that's it. |
Crash Cage
Lorenz Ansaldo
Lt. Chalmers
Hard Luck
And of course the brokers.
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And Henri Dumont and Vince Dubrowski. I accidentally skipped over a level range.|
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Captain Petrovich
Crash Cage Lorenz Ansaldo Lt. Chalmers Hard Luck And of course the brokers. |
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Arguably, working for Dubrowski and Dumont means working for Cage Corporation, and the continued operation of Cage Corporation's mines is clearly in Arachnos's interest, which is why I didn't include them. Then again, Cage's mine may be a means to an end for Arachnos, with the true goal being the unearthing and exploitation of the Leviathan. It's an edge case.|
Originally Posted by Kelenar
And Henri Dumont and Vince Dubrowski. I accidentally skipped over a level range.
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Now we're really getting into the niggling details, though. The broad point has already been made, I think.
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By those criteria, another handful could be pulled off of the list. A few contacts, like Abyss, are mentioned as being allowed to work unhindered because their work indirectly helps Arachnos.|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Arguably, working for Dubrowski and Dumont means working for Cage Corporation, and the continued operation of Cage Corporation's mines is clearly in Arachnos's interest, which is why I didn't include them. Then again, Cage's mine may be a means to an end for Arachnos, with the true goal being the unearthing and exploitation of the Leviathan. It's an edge case.
Now we're really getting into the niggling details, though. The broad point has already been made, I think. |
The interesting bit is that the proporition of Arachnos:non-Arachnos contacts seems to rise as the levels go up. (Granted, a lot of this is because of the patrons.) I also never realized that Port Oakes is basically the one Arachnos-free zone, as far as contacts go.
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If you want to go into generalities, though EVERY Villain active in the Isles is doing exactly what Recluse wants them to do. They were all released from the Zig (obviously except those that skipped it) for the sole purpose of harassing Heroes, fighting the Longbow invasion, and testing OTHER Villains for their ability to do the same. ANY Villain that didn't immediately retire after getting off Mercy Island, (or spent the entire time playing other people's AE missions) is furthering Recluse's goals.|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Arguably, working for Dubrowski and Dumont means working for Cage Corporation, and the continued operation of Cage Corporation's mines is clearly in Arachnos's interest, which is why I didn't include them. Then again, Cage's mine may be a means to an end for Arachnos, with the true goal being the unearthing and exploitation of the Leviathan. It's an edge case.
Now we're really getting into the niggling details, though. The broad point has already been made, I think. |
Even if a Villain goes after only other Villain organizations, it's keeping the insurgents harried and weak. If they are the kind of Anti-Hero that doesn't want to hurt police, they STILL cause strain on the enforcement system every time there is a 'scheduled' Mayhem Mission, even if they don't actually go through with it.
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I wish there were Television missions from 1-50. I love those.
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Television
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Heroes are peasants.
That is all.
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But they're still not criminals |
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Heroes are peasants.
That is all. |
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and super powered citizens of the Isles aren't criminals either.
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and super powered citizens of the Isles aren't criminals either.
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You mean I've been throwing grenades at old ladies in mayhem missions for nothing?
Damnation!
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and super powered citizens of the Isles aren't criminals either.
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You are - you just haven't been caught yet
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And we never will be either.
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And we never will be either.
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Right. So.. never.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, not until they introduce it as a PvP penalty - a Villain avatar defeated 10 times by the same Hero is locked out from the game until you or your SG play a mission to bust them out of the Zig again
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It wasn't really a totally serious suggestion |
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Right. So.. never.
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What!?
You mean I've been throwing grenades at old ladies in mayhem missions for nothing? Damnation! |
That makes you a criminal in Paragon City, not the Rogue Isles.
People always seem to forget that the Rogue Isles are a sovereign nation ruled by Recluse. So the laws that apply in any country we might be from do not necessarily apply to our characters in the Rogue Isles.
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That makes you a criminal in Paragon City, not the Rogue Isles.
People always seem to forget that the Rogue Isles are a sovereign nation ruled by Recluse. So the laws that apply in any country we might be from do not necessarily apply to our characters in the Rogue Isles. |
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Be well, people of CoH.