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Originally Posted by KingOfStars
What are you talking about?
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I think it's best you continue fighting in the train, cerebral pvp can be tiring to say the least.
Here endeth lesson..
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I dont always Do duels. I mostly do FFA.
Sigh.
Because I'm bored and I have an inordinate amount of patience with most people, I'm going to be nice and try to explain why your logic and Fight Club logic is faulty.
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Originally Posted by Sentry4
N no i never liked Barney or any giant pink things for that matter. Care bears had super duper stomachs that would shoot rainbows....now that was television.
Where do i start, lemme scroll up a little.... ahh here we go. I'm not sure about the duelers on freedom but i don't yell at someone for kiting. Movement is allowed. Basic rules have been: No inspirations, No Leaving the stage or dueling area, no temp powers, no help from outside. Anything else goes. Help from outside would also include things like consuming a watching person. haha that sounded awesome, but i mean [consume] from fiery aura. |
What is one of the first things in which the game instructs you?
Inspiration usage.
Would you not use a Break Free against a Chief Mesmerist?
What if you're fighting one of those Carnival of Shadows that drain end? No Catch a Breath?
Of course you use them, because you'd lose and not gain experience or rewards.
Making rules to inhibit victory isn't brave or smart or daring, it's naive.
You're in a fight, use whatever training and resources and smarts you have to win that fight.
Even if you get Jane Doe to agree to your rules, you cannot expect to enforce your behaviour on various other people in the zone. Do you understand that? There is an area where you can duel without inspirations or temporary powers. It's the Arena. Head there and bash each other to your heart's content!
I know I am damned glad that Sabin and others picked my Emp/Psy out of Siren's Call and hauled her *** to the Arena for spike/evasion drills, insp management drills and power usage drills. If they hadn't, I'd still be walking around wondering why I was being attacked in plain view.
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Some of my duels are very close. There is no way you could predict who the winner is. You could get some more information by looking at badges (not vets, those lie) and see who has accolade clicks or a large number because it's their main. Also, I and many other duelers are not always in it to win. I'm in it to learn and get better. As for top duelers not getting many kills, that depends a lot. I don't use temps/inspirations ever. But that doesn't mean a dueler won't. Actually i will use inspirations if my enemy does. And maybe summon a LB mech if they summon a shivan to distract eachother. |
If all these people are duelling and all these people enjoy duelling, why did none of them head to the Training Room, IO out and duel against the players that also enjoyed duelling? Honestly, what do you feel you are proving by button-mashing one Regen against another for hours on end? You may as well flip coins, the outcome will be as predictable.
My advice to you:
If you set foot in a zone, be prepared for anything. Carry an inspiration load and accolade/IO as much as is possible given your time allowance.
Learn to team and ask questions.
I'll likely never be remembered as anything more than a 'good' Emp but I'll be damned if I didn't help any team I was on survive more than not. That didn't come to me by just mindlessly mashing buttons. I trained, I teamed and now I (hope) am a valuable addition to a zone or arena team.
Do not limit yourself by placing unnecessary constraints on your PvP playstyle.
Rules are for the Arena. The zones are for raw, unbridled and relentless attack.
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Originally Posted by ConFlict
Wait, your front yard is a boxing ring? If not your analogy is as full of fail as the rest of the crap you spew.
The only time you had an advantage ever was when you had superior numbers, Once they evened, and yes they stayed even you were dominated. One person on the right toon can make all the difference in the world. Shows again how little you understand pvp in this game. Once the sides were set, I died 3 times. Not to shabby seeing I was taunting everything in sight and target numero uno anyways. I am. Followed by the next line of. Care more to cry more little kid. The one piece of advice you seem to really be missing is stop trying to convey real life into this game. Its just a game, you are pretty much the only one taking it serious. While I do believe you when you say you aren't nerd raging and slamming your keyboard. Its hard to believe that you are truly unaffected. You break down and reply to every post that you think you can make a point of and still keep posting regardless how many poeple give you valid points that you are in the wrong. Once you enter a pvp zone prepare to be attacked. Period. End of story. Save your fake rules for your backyard wrasslin league, because honestly, none of us give a flying ****. Peace. |
You fail to realize although this is a game, these conflicts ingame are real. We won when we had numbers, you won when you had numbers. welcome to warzone pvp.
I'm not going to say i'm better then you, because i have no proof to show that i am or that i'm not.
yes it is shabby seeing as you had ur finger on phase the entire time.
I know a good player could help a team a lot. I also know 1 player doesn't make the team. I could be the best scrapper in the world then, but i still couldn't 3-4 good players. Maybe a pure buffer, but i like killing, not selling guns.
haha ironic how you said peace at the end eh?
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Originally Posted by Reiraku
Flawed analogy. Being attacked by other players is allowed by the rules of the game. Being attacked by other people outside of your house isn't. If you were trying to compare it to people using geometry exploits to get under the map, then it'd be more accurate. Both that and being attacked in a real life situation are reportable offenses and will result in action against the offending party.
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yep it's illegal for someone to come up to me and hit me a bunch. those rules were made up by people as are the dueling rules. I see the devs rules more like physics rules. You cannot walk up, jump 100 feet in the air and land on them, against dev rules.
Yea that was a messy paragraph, i just knew what u were going to respond with and answered it in there somewhere.
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Found a bunch of cool options. Truthfully, if anyone sees my rep and thinks i'm a bad person or judges me right away, they arn't worth my time. at the same time i look like an evil robot with red under my name.
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Sigh.
Because I'm bored and I have an inordinate amount of patience with most people, I'm going to be nice and try to explain why your logic and Fight Club logic is faulty. These rules are inane. What is one of the first things in which the game instructs you? Inspiration usage. Would you not use a Break Free against a Chief Mesmerist? What if you're fighting one of those Carnival of Shadows that drain end? No Catch a Breath? Of course you use them, because you'd lose and not gain experience or rewards. Making rules to inhibit victory isn't brave or smart or daring, it's naive. You're in a fight, use whatever training and resources and smarts you have to win that fight. Even if you get Jane Doe to agree to your rules, you cannot expect to enforce your behaviour on various other people in the zone. Do you understand that? There is an area where you can duel without inspirations or temporary powers. It's the Arena. Head there and bash each other to your heart's content! I know I am damned glad that Sabin and others picked my Emp/Psy out of Siren's Call and hauled her *** to the Arena for spike/evasion drills, insp management drills and power usage drills. If they hadn't, I'd still be walking around wondering why I was being attacked in plain view. This is absurd, not only in your mangling metaphors but also in your analogy. Chess may seem 'fair' to you but you'll get schooled by someone who has been playing for years and has insight into movement patterns. What I simply don't understand: If all these people are duelling and all these people enjoy duelling, why did none of them head to the Training Room, IO out and duel against the players that also enjoyed duelling? Honestly, what do you feel you are proving by button-mashing one Regen against another for hours on end? You may as well flip coins, the outcome will be as predictable. My advice to you: If you set foot in a zone, be prepared for anything. Carry an inspiration load and accolade/IO as much as is possible given your time allowance. Learn to team and ask questions. I'll likely never be remembered as anything more than a 'good' Emp but I'll be damned if I didn't help any team I was on survive more than not. That didn't come to me by just mindlessly mashing buttons. I trained, I teamed and now I (hope) am a valuable addition to a zone or arena team. Do not limit yourself by placing unnecessary constraints on your PvP playstyle. Rules are for the Arena. The zones are for raw, unbridled and relentless attack. |
Inspirations are optional for a reason. Why not make breakfrees automatically go off when held?
Some of us like a challenge.
Against sappers I use geas of the kind ones.
You sound like the germans using poisonous gas, I’ve explained that above. Or in a fight to see who’s physically stronger you pull out a gun. Yes I know u can shoot me, and I can shoot you too, but I want to see who’s stronger. That’s why I don’t use everything I can. That’s called fighting dirty, I don’t do that either. In martial arts u can’t kick below the belt or punch to the face. There are rules to make it more fair…and safer. (but that only applies to martial arts)
Why don’t u understand that the arena is too far away? Nobody has yet to answer this.
Personally I leanred my pvp from watching duels, still learn to this day from watching it.
Chess is fair, you sound like the devs at i13.
As I’ve said before, I’ve warzoned for years, I know how to play it and it’s too easy. Invite everybody that’s not on a team or ask for one, use target binds and press 1-4 buttons to attack. Fun fun fun.
I’m glad you feel as an emp you need training. Your just mashing CM on people who need it and watching when it wears off. There are more tactics with heal decay, I will admit that. Then again the tactic is how many timers can get going in ur head. I sure can’t count 8 seconds 7 people on my team if I was healing. But I’d learn.
But thing an un IO’d emp does is take aggro away from everybody else. Since with DR the buffs aren’t near as good, espically on IO’d people who have everything near maxed.
I’ve explained numerous times and nobody is reading it, maybe one more time and people will……arena is too far, nobody is there. The duelers meet in RV, I can’t change that, nobody can.
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Actually, the laws against crime were put there by the people in charge. In this game, that's the devs. The rules of physics are analogous to the game engine. We can no more jump, unaided, 100 feet in the air in real life than we could select every power in the game on one character. |
Originally Posted by Sentry4
yep it's illegal for someone to come up to me and hit me a bunch. those rules were made up by people as are the dueling rules. I see the devs rules more like physics rules. You cannot walk up, jump 100 feet in the air and land on them, against dev rules.
Yea that was a messy paragraph, i just knew what u were going to respond with and answered it in there somewhere. |
Again, there is a difference between what is allowed and what isn't. We are allowed to attack one another in the zones. We are not allowed to attack one another in real life.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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Originally Posted by Sentry4
Inspirations are optional for a reason. Why not make breakfrees automatically go off when held?
Some of us like a challenge. Against sappers I use geas of the kind ones. You sound like the germans using poisonous gas, Ive explained that above. Or in a fight to see whos physically stronger you pull out a gun. Yes I know u can shoot me, and I can shoot you too, but I want to se whos stronger. Thats why I dont use everything I can. Thats called fighting dirty, I dont do that either. In martial arts u cant kick below the belt or punch to the face. There are rules to make it more fair and safer. (but that only applies to martial arts) Why dont u understand that the arena is too far away? Nobody has to yet to answer this. Personally I leanred my pvp from watching duels, still learn to this day from watching it. Chess is fair, you sound like the devs at i13. As Ive said before, Ive warzoned for years, I know how to play it and its too easy. Invite everybody thats not on a team or ask for one, use target binds and press 1-4 buttons to attack. Fun fun fun. Im glad you feel as an emp you need training. Your just mashing CM on people who need it and watching when it wears off. There are more tactics with heal decay, I will admit that. Then again the tactic is how many timers can get going in ur head. I sure cant count 8 seconds 7 people on my team if I was healing. But Id learn. But thing an un IOd emp does is take aggro away from everybody else. Since with DR the buffs arent near as good, espically on IOd people who have everything near maxed. Ive explained numerous times and nobody is reading it, maybe one more time and people will arena is too far, nobody is there. The duelers meet in RV, I cant change that, nobody can. |
actually, the arena is one button click away. it's called pocket d teleporter and almost everyone has one. the other neat thing is that if you start your own global channel or use /ac you will be able to talk to the people just like you and get them to pocket d/arena. please use it and go there so you don't have to keep posting things that make you look like a *******. if you are in a zone, no matter what you want, you WILL be attacked by other players, in a duel or not. deal with it or i WILL send bruce after you.
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Ive explained numerous times and nobody is reading it, maybe one more time and people will
arena is too far, nobody is there. The duelers meet in RV, I cant change that, nobody can.
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"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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Originally Posted by Reiraku
Actually, the laws against crime were put there by the people in charge. In this game, that's the devs. The rules of physics are analogous to the game engine. We can no more jump, unaided, 100 feet in the air in real life than we could select every power in the game on one character.
Again, there is a difference between what is allowed and what isn't. We are allowed to attack one another in the zones. We are not allowed to attack one another in real life. |
They make the virtual world and control what Can and Can't happen. We *can* attack eachother in real life. The only rule that says we can't are made up by other people, like the dueling rules.
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Also available as a choice in the Options menu for those too scared of slash commands. Anyone complaining that the arena is "too far away" when this issue goes live should be immediately ridiculed. And attacked. And then get ridiculed while being attacked. And then possibly kicked in the groin. No, wait, that won't work, since they have proven they have no stones because they refuse arena and insist on fiteklub rules.
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The devs did. /arenalist is in i16. Learn it and use it.
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actually, the arena is one button click away. it's called pocket d teleporter and almost everyone has one. the other neat thing is that if you start your own global channel or use /ac you will be able to talk to the people just like you and get them to pocket d/arena. please use it and go there so you don't have to keep posting things that make you look like a *******. if you are in a zone, no matter what you want, you WILL be attacked by other players, in a duel or not. deal with it or i WILL send bruce after you.
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I have long loading times, i don't like setting up matches and i don't like using the mouse, which i have to for opening doors.
Aside from that i shouldn't have too.
you said i *will* be attacked by other players. i can, but i'm not always. false statement.
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The devs did. /arenalist is in i16. Learn it and use it.
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I've been asking for this for a long time, before i started coming on the forums. I plan to use it a lot. It will kill the zone a little tho, i for one am most likely going to be near the portal asking friends to duel. There's one less target, and more if you count, well everybody else.
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well u go typing ur commands ima click on menu and the arena button. which i think is something like Z. so actually pressing "\" and then "Z" would open it up.
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The devs did. /arenalist is in i16. Learn it and use it.
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and your *dueling* rules were not made up by the devs. they were made up by people who dont play well with others and come to the boards to get their e-peen on. just like your doing. if you don't want your duels interfered with then go to the arena/pocket d. you have been told several times to use the /ac command and to start your own global chat channel to arrange for dueling matches there. you have also been told that in i16 there is going to be a /arenalist command for you guys to use.
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i disagree. the devs control the environment and what we physically (ingame) can do.
They make the virtual world and control what Can and Can't happen. We *can* attack eachother in real life. The only rule that says we can't are made up by other people, like the dueling rules. |
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Except that they have also determined where and when it is appropriate to attack someone, such as not allowing the use of map exploits to go under the map and attack other players. They determine the laws of decency amongst players, which is why you'll get banned if you start dropping F bombs in broadcast. And according to their laws, we can attack anyone that cons as an enemy in the zone.|
Originally Posted by Sentry4
i disagree. the devs control the environment and what we physically (ingame) can do.
They make the virtual world and control what Can and Can't happen. We *can* attack eachother in real life. The only rule that says we can't are made up by other people, like the dueling rules. |
Their laws about profanity and map exploits are the equivalent of assault laws. We are able to do these things, but we will be punished if we are caught doing so. Dueling is not protected by those laws set by the devs.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
Jesus H ******* Christ sentry, you're a ******* moron. I honestly can't stand to listen to any more of your OHMIGOSH I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE ALL USING POISON GAS AND BEATING ME AS I WALK OUT OF MY HOUSE. You are sad, pathetic, insecure, have a severe lack of logical thinking capability, and are a disgrace to PvPers in general as well as the Justice server. I'm getting dumber just reading your posts.
Congratulations, you're the first person I've ignored on the new forums. See you in RV - get wrecked.
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I have had many laughs reading this thread.
Just to sum it up:
PvP zones are No holds barred anything goes zone.
Arena is more structured place to have PvP events/practices that can be held with rules.
If you want RULES then go to the arena. (simple) Note* on justice on Saturdays nights the arena used to be pretty full of events in pocket D. (not sure if it still is since JustJoan has not been in game in a while and would lead various event matches. Maybe you will find some fun there )
But to go deeper to the root of a more disturbing problem, Why are we comparing REAL LIFE stuff in a video game? Come on gimme a break.. go outside get some air or friggin get laid already it will do you some good 
Life is too short to bicker over this type of stuff.
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I guess FC is just huge show off. Only reason they refuse so much to leave train station is not even because of long loads honestly, but rather the fact that not so many people can observe their fight and they can't stroke their e-peen. Well, LOL.
On the other note, this guy is retarded. And if Frost Elf D said so then it is really bad case. I am sorry for people around him (if he got any, what i doubt).
Yo, sentry dude do you go to Freedom RV? I would love to get rep off ya son.
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I just want all you guys to know you made my day lolzy. <3
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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
I guess FC is just huge show off. Only reason they refuse so much to leave train station is not even because of long loads honestly, but rather the fact that not so many people can observe their fight and they can't stroke their e-peen. Well, LOL.
On the other note, this guy is retarded. And if Frost Elf D said so then it is really bad case. I am sorry for people around him (if he got any, what i doubt). Yo, sentry dude do you go to Freedom RV? I would love to get rep off ya son. |
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It's like walking out of ur house and a sign pops up that says "You are now exiting your house and can be beaten to death by the next person you see"
^ basically whats happening.
Your complaint is more like walking out into stormy weather, then complaining when it rains on you.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict