And the devs wonder why people are in AE
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Posted on: 2009-09-04 15:42 in Suggestions and Ideas
Play villain side. And when did the devs "wonder why people are in AE"?
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Lack of Defenders, Scrappers, Blasters, Controllers, Tanks, Kheldians, Atlas Park, Kings Row, Steel Canyon, Skyway City, Faultline, Boomtown, Talos, Dark Astoria, Founders Falls, Eden, Brickstown, Crey's Folley, The Hollows, The Sewers, .........
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Wish granted. One of the major bullet points the devs showed in their San Diego Comicon panel discussion as a key goal for Going Rogue was to reinvigorate the early level game play experience. |
Originally Posted by Minotaur
Please sort this crap out if you want people to actually play dev created content.
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If you look at low level villain content, it's really much better put together than the equivalent hero content. I expect a similar leap forward with the new low level Going Rogue content.
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You forgot to list the cons of playing redside though. Kinda important for a comparison.
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Originally Posted by Snakebit
Lack of Defenders, Scrappers, Blasters, Controllers, Tanks, Kheldians, Atlas Park, Kings Row, Steel Canyon, Skyway City, Faultline, Boomtown, Talos, Dark Astoria, Founders Falls, Eden, Brickstown, Crey's Folley, The Hollows, The Sewers, .........
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#1: With my Shader Quality on high I can't see my own character standing in the starting zone next to Kalinda. No, I'm not playing a stalker. But unless my outfit is Eye-Bleeding bright (which doesn't show up as anything higher than muted, thanks to the Villainside lighting) I'm nearly invisible. Same thing happens to me on the Western end of Sharkhead Islke, near the Coal.|
Originally Posted by Rikis
You forgot to list the cons of playing redside though. Kinda important for a comparison.
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I -could- turn up my gamma or brightness, but then I get blinded when I play heroside or exit to my desktop.
-Rachel-
I wasn't comparing, just listing reasons why "play villians" isn't really that attractive to me. I should have been more verbose.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
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That's an issue with your computer or your eyes (not criticizing, some people have different sensitivities). I can see my character fine without squinting or alternately being blinded on both hero and villain sides.|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
#1: With my Shader Quality on high I can't see my own character standing in the starting zone next to Kalinda. No, I'm not playing a stalker. But unless my outfit is Eye-Bleeding bright (which doesn't show up as anything higher than muted, thanks to the Villainside lighting) I'm nearly invisible. Same thing happens to me on the Western end of Sharkhead Islke, near the Coal.
I -could- turn up my gamma or brightness, but then I get blinded when I play heroside or exit to my desktop. -Rachel- |
On the original topic, I've been saying for a while now that blueside needs to be revamped. I just had a contact in Steel Canyon send me to talk to a Hero Corps Rep. In Kings Row. The contact network/mission progression needs serious pruning. I know GR is supposed to "reinvigorate the low-level experience", but I doubt a boxed set is going to fix any existing content, just introduce new content, which will likely be worthless to any (low-level) character who chooses not to switch sides.
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
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And most of those I'd list as reasons why blue side isn't attractive to me (don't forget the OP's complaint!). |
Originally Posted by Snakebit
I wasn't comparing, just listing reasons why "play villians" isn't really that attractive to me. I should have been more verbose.
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And you miss the best zone on blue side: Croatoa!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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If you had't put that "*" there, you would have been in big trouble |
Originally Posted by Folonius
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@Golden Girl
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Technically, he did include it |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If you had't put that "*" there, you would have been in big trouble
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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LoL, that and the shard are my least favorite. |
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
And most of those I'd list as reasons why blue side isn't attractive to me (don't forget the OP's complaint!).
And you miss the best zone on blue side: Croatoa! |
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
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Altering the game's Gamma option shouldn't affect your Desktop at all. I could see how it might make Paragon unbearable if your characters are invisible in Mercy without modifying your Gamma.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
I -could- turn up my gamma or brightness, but then I get blinded when I play heroside or exit to my desktop.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If you had't put that "*" there, you would have been in big trouble
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Originally Posted by Folonius
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Not liking Croatoa = wrongness |
Originally Posted by Snakebit
LoL, that and the shard are my least favorite.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Somebody else who doesn't adore Croatoa?|
Originally Posted by Snakebit
LoL, that and the shard are my least favorite.
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We have to form a club or something!
Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
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Please do so. It'll make it all the easier to slaughter you in your sleep.
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
Somebody else who doesn't adore Croatoa?
We have to form a club or something! |
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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A valid point. The bulk of the Heroside content was made a million years ago. Really, what you need to do is avoid the standard contact chain completely. It's sad that we need to do this, but Going Rogue has been said (officially) to include another content track that starts at a low level.
If this is the first time your friends have played CoH, get them up to level 5 and start doing the Hollows stuff. That stuff was revamped recently (missions relocated to near contacts, enemies put into alleys rather than on the streets, enemy mob size reduced, more varied mob 'types' put in), so it's actually a pleasure to play through. When you all get your first police radios, start doing those 'til you can do a Safeguard for temp travel powers.
When you hit level 10, run the first Midnighter arc for all of you; it's well-written, fun to play, and unlocks the Midnighter Club. Continue with these and Hollows missions. At level 15, head straight for Faultline; everything there is as polished as the very latest in Midnight Club / Cimerora missions. At level 20, you have another story arc available in the Midnighter Club. By the time you're done with Faultline, you should be level 25 or thereabouts. At that point, your friends should easily be familiar enough with the game. The next track of arcs can be found in Striga Isle; also, don't forget Ouroborous at 25.
With the Hollows, Faultline, and Striga giving you a solid backbone for 5-29, any gaps left can be filled in by radio missions, Safeguards, midnighter stuff, or even task forces and trials.
When you hit 35, you get hit in the face with a twenty foot saucepan, serving up delicious content. RWZ and Cimerora are the beefiest of the lot. They will take you to 50 without complaint.
All that said... I do wish it wasn't necessary to ignore huge bits of the game. I'd love it if the old 1-40 content in CoH was given a do-over to match CoV.
EDIT: I completely forgot about Croatoa. Completely, utterly forgot. ...Make of that what you will. >_>
Necrobond - 50 BS/Inv Scrapper made in I1
Rickar - 50 Bots/FF Mastermind
Anti-Muon - 42 Warshade
Ivory Sicarius - 45 Crab Spider
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Ran into that issue last night. I was 1 level away from getting my next Warshade arc and all the contacts I did have wanted to give me filler after filler. Fortunately Christine Lansdale gave up the General Z arc after only 1 mission, though her contact bar had only filled up by [ ] much.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
Teamed with a couple of friends, I'm magic origin so have the right contact at level 12 to get the fortune teller mission.
So I go to Trevor Seaborn and get in order: Go see David Wincott Hunt 10 CoT Hunt 10 hellions Hunt 10 hellions Security chief for Boom/10 clocks in Boom Hero Corps analyst Security chief for Skyway/hunt 10 trolls This is not what we were after, my friends gave up and logged half way through. Please sort this crap out if you want people to actually play dev created content. |
Problem is that by then my friends had to log off for the night.
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Originally Posted by Sardan
If you look at low level villain content, it's really much better put together than the equivalent hero content. I expect a similar leap forward with the new low level Going Rogue content.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
That's an issue with your computer or your eyes (not criticizing, some people have different sensitivities). I can see my character fine without squinting or alternately being blinded on both hero and villain sides.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
On the original topic, I've been saying for a while now that blueside needs to be revamped. I just had a contact in Steel Canyon send me to talk to a Hero Corps Rep. In Kings Row. The contact network/mission progression needs serious pruning. I know GR is supposed to "reinvigorate the low-level experience", but I doubt a boxed set is going to fix any existing content, just introduce new content, which will likely be worthless to any (low-level) character who chooses not to switch sides.
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
Somebody else who doesn't adore Croatoa?
We have to form a club or something! |
Also, Striga Island needed a hospital several issues ago. Come on already!
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Bocor doesn't have one, just the boss-level version of Sea Witch. I've also never had a problem with the low-level EBs once I learned of the 'soft-cap yourself with defense inspirations and then wail on them' method. The EBs that can still mess you up if you do that don't really hit until the mid-20s. That said, yeah, having EBs start at like level 5 seems a bit excessive to me. Bosses are still a challenge to a lot of characters at that point.
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
Lowbie villain content is better with the exception of the overuse of Elite Bosses in Port Oakes arcs. Every single arc there has at least one EB, which is not amusing to squishier characters at such a low level. Unlike in AE, running at Diff 1 doesn't downgrade them into Bosses either.
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Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
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Me and my friends are all 60+ month vets, we know all this, we just wanted the spelunker mish at the level you're supposed to do it, and will then probably get going on the TFs.|
Originally Posted by Necrotron
A valid point. The bulk of the Heroside content was made a million years ago. Really, what you need to do is avoid the standard contact chain completely. It's sad that we need to do this, but Going Rogue has been said (officially) to include another content track that starts at a low level.
If this is the first time your friends have played CoH, get them up to level 5 and start doing the Hollows stuff. That stuff was revamped recently (missions relocated to near contacts, enemies put into alleys rather than on the streets, enemy mob size reduced, more varied mob 'types' put in), so it's actually a pleasure to play through. When you all get your first police radios, start doing those 'til you can do a Safeguard for temp travel powers. When you hit level 10, run the first Midnighter arc for all of you; it's well-written, fun to play, and unlocks the Midnighter Club. Continue with these and Hollows missions. At level 15, head straight for Faultline; everything there is as polished as the very latest in Midnight Club / Cimerora missions. At level 20, you have another story arc available in the Midnighter Club. By the time you're done with Faultline, you should be level 25 or thereabouts. At that point, your friends should easily be familiar enough with the game. The next track of arcs can be found in Striga Isle; also, don't forget Ouroborous at 25. With the Hollows, Faultline, and Striga giving you a solid backbone for 5-29, any gaps left can be filled in by radio missions, Safeguards, midnighter stuff, or even task forces and trials. When you hit 35, you get hit in the face with a twenty foot saucepan, serving up delicious content. RWZ and Cimerora are the beefiest of the lot. They will take you to 50 without complaint. All that said... I do wish it wasn't necessary to ignore huge bits of the game. I'd love it if the old 1-40 content in CoH was given a do-over to match CoV. EDIT: I completely forgot about Croatoa. Completely, utterly forgot. ...Make of that what you will. >_> |
I'm more worried about the effect this sort of crap will have on newbies. It's not an issue if you're solo, but if you're teamed, a series of dull missions that only reward the owner are very offputting.
It's true. This game is NOT rocket surgery. - BillZBubba
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Ah, fair enough. You shoulda left it til later and used Ouroborous for it.
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Originally Posted by Minotaur
Me and my friends are all 60+ month vets, we know all this, we just wanted the spelunker mish at the level you're supposed to do it, and will then probably get going on the TFs.
I'm more worried about the effect this sort of crap will have on newbies. It's not an issue if you're solo, but if you're teamed, a series of dull missions that only reward the owner are very offputting. |
Necrobond - 50 BS/Inv Scrapper made in I1
Rickar - 50 Bots/FF Mastermind
Anti-Muon - 42 Warshade
Ivory Sicarius - 45 Crab Spider
Aber ja, nat�rlich Hans nass ist, er steht unter einem Wasserfall.
The devs know darn well why people are in AE.
Some segments of the playerbase are still in the dark, but I'm sure the devs know how badly the hero-side early game has aged.
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Teamed with a couple of friends, I'm magic origin so have the right contact at level 12 to get the fortune teller mission.
So I go to Trevor Seaborn and get in order:
Go see David Wincott
Hunt 10 CoT
Hunt 10 hellions
Hunt 10 hellions
Security chief for Boom/10 clocks in Boom
Hero Corps analyst
Security chief for Skyway/hunt 10 trolls
This is not what we were after, my friends gave up and logged half way through.
Please sort this crap out if you want people to actually play dev created content.
It's true. This game is NOT rocket surgery. - BillZBubba