I want Ninjitsu for scrapper

Fire/Nin would be a scary thing.

Uno, if we get enough people backin this, we could get it to happen... take 'Claws 4 Brutes' for example.... im sooo game for a */nin scrap

NO

Reasons below

FIRST: You folks want a PBAOE flash arrow like power with -tohit? HELLO Blinding Powder, exactly the same as you asked for, but as a Cone & has Confusion & Sleep Proc. in it. Next, lets look at Ninjitsu's List.

Hide 1 Toggle: Self Stealth, +DEF(Melee, Ranged, AoE)
Ninja Reflexes 2 Toggle: Self +DEF(Melee), +Res(DEF Debuff)
Danger Sense 4 Toggle: Self +DEF(Ranged, AoE), +Res(DEF Debuff),
+Perception
Caltrops 10 Ranged (Location AoE), Minor DoT(Lethal), Foe -SPD, -Jump
Kuji-In Rin 16 Self +Res(Psionics, Disorient, Hold, Sleep, Immobilize,
Confusion, Fear)
Kuji-In Sha 20 Self Heal, +Res(Toxic)
Smoke Flash 28 PBAoE, Foe Placate
Blinding Powder 35 Ranged (Cone), Foe Sleep, Confuse, -To-Hit, -Perception
Kuji-In Retsu 38 Self +DEF(Melee, Ranged, AoE), +Res(DEF Debuff),
+Recovery, +SPD, +Jump


Sorry, NO Hide for you guys, so that needs replaced & retooled,

Now ya'll say no Caltrops, cuz you can get it in a Power Pool, doubt that would be removed, because of that, if anything they would do they did with Shield Secondary, make said power unable to be gotten if you got the original.

You Self heal can be 6 slotted with 5 pieces of Something heal/recharge, last piece can have the Res/+3% Def piece. NO

Smoke Flash, again since you shouldn't get hide, this has to be removed or retooled. The rate we are going here, might as well just make whole new Set.


I just do not seeing this going to Scrappers, it was "specifically" made for Stalkers in mind & only stalkers, while other Stalker secondaries are mish-mashes of other secondaries, this was something unique to them.


Instead you guys can have Energy Armor instead. -snickers-


JJ

I'm thinking this

Scrapper /Nin

1) Ninja Reflexes
2) Danger Sense
4) Kuji-in Sha
10) Kuji-in Rin
16) Caltrops
20) Kuji-in Kawa (Same as Device's Cloaking Device)
28) Smoke Flash
35) Blinding Powder
38) Kuji-in Retsu

Scrappers need their defenses and heal early, status protection after that. Tools come later, and finally tier9.

Caltrops should stay, it and a Stealth-type power are sort of...well...they just wouldn't be ninjas without them. And /Ninjitsu seems perfectly suited to Scrappers, IE: Flip out, go crazy, kill things.

The problem with caltrops is just that the devs really do seem unwilling to break their 'no duplicate powers' rule. Conserve power -> energize is a two birds with one stone change - boost survivability and avoid duplicating the energy epic conserve power. They just don't want duplicates. One of the two would have to go, and given a choice between replacing it in the proliferated set and ripping it away from every scrapper currently using it, the /nin version would get axed. If /nin ever gets proliferated, caltrops just isn't going to be there, at least in its current form. We'd be better off trying to figure out something interesting to replace it with.

As for the rest of it, I think the stalkers would have a justified complaint if scrappers were allowed to get the critical tools of mez protection and the self-heal so much earlier. For better or worse, I think the set needs to stay in the same order from 16 up. In my mind 4 and 10 are the two open levels to stick in the generic stealth and the caltrops replacement, in whichever order. Pound home early the fact that the powerset is about gadgets and steath as well as traditional tools.

I think Caltrops would change to a taunt aura with a tohit debuff or something.

You do know one of the reasons they had to change Electric armor and drop conserve power?

Its in a scrapper epic pool.

Yes, I think they knew.

Yeah, that is definitely an important part - whatever you replace caltrops with can't be *too* strong, because /nin is already a very good set. My current thought would be something like:

Sleep Dart: 40 foot range, 0.25 lethal damage, scale 10 (11.92s @ lvl 50) mag 3 sleep, 7.5% damage debuff (20s), 40s recharge, 10.19 end.

Minor disruption, take one foe out of commision for a short time, minor debuff, but long recharge. Can be useful, but not overly powerful.

I personally don't actually want /nin for the concepts it brings. I am just mechanically fed up with /sr. I'm tired of the super-tight builds and feeling like I'm forced into taking pool powers on top of that. If I had /nin, I probably wouldn't even be taking the steath. For the concept of a non-superpowered fighter who mostly avoids damage, SR is the only current secondary that fits. Nin would work, and allow for a lot easier build and satisfying experience.

I can haz Shields for Stalkers?

requires too many compromises to proliferate correctly, it wont be "Ninjitsu" if it comes to scrappers

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Hide -> Assassin Cloak

Okay, I'll bite for the "Disagreement".

No, I don't want Scrappers to have Ninjitsu. I entirely refuse to accept this as a possibility.

If it happens I'd be forced. FORCED I tell you. To delete my Elec/Nin Stalker and reroll it into a Scrapper and the thought of wasting all those levels because the Developers decided to beat me spastically with a proliferation would sadden me.

Save the Stalker, don't Proliferate.

I think Ninjitsu for Scrappers is only fair, considering Stalkers got our Broad Sword.