Step by Step how to fix P.V.P

lolwut? This is just completely, 100% wrong.

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

I did, and my constructive suggestion was: TRY AGAIN.


And I meant it.


Your suggestions, insight, and ideas are all crap, and half of them have been suggested in the past and shot down. In fact, much of what you say shows that you actually know very very little of pvp at all. Did you just recently step foot into a pvp zone or something? Like maybe a week ago? And now you feel entitled to give "how to fix pvp" suggestions? And shoot down those who think your suggestions are weak and wrong?


it is to LOL bud. I wish you the best of luck with this, but you'll soon come to realize, as we have, that the dev's don't listen to us here. In fact, they "split up" the boards in the fashion they did (splitting PvP boards from Archetype and other sections) so that they NEVER have to click the PvP Boards tab in the first place lol! Jk, but boy are we separated now, and I doubt they ever enter this section of the boards now. They just click the other tabs and never have to even SEE the PvP tab anymore! Haha, so sad, so sad.

lol all i have to say is you fail kaatrina, But good try in being a smart ***.


I have never played a blaster and don't pay much attention to them but i was wondering about how much dmg dose there snipe do?

Can do upwards of 400-500 before procs if they've got some extra damage (Aim, BU, reds) running. That figure is after factoring in the 40% resists squishies have (40% base + 40% epic/patron shield - DR).

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

Funnily everyone who replied to you that you think is being a smart *** I actually see pvp on freedom. I haven't been on as much the last couple weeks as normal but on the average I pvp in freedoms rv 10-20 hours a week.

Some truths you need to accept. You are pretty bad at pvp. And you are pretty wrong about the way it works. Stalkers are not op pvp gods. Even before they were pretty simple to deal with. Now they are just as simple but hurt even less when you go brain dead.

PBs are great in pvp. It is not our fault you don't play your well. Seeing you are spewing about playing on freedom follow Dawun around and tell us how much his pb needs a buff.

Saying brutes are more survivable than hero melee is hilarious, hilarious but wrong.


So here is my take on your real point. You pvp mainly hero side. You like your rp/concepts for being a hero and think the game should meet your expectations. Here is how it really works. The devs created this pvp specifically for people like you. Its not going to change any time soon. You need to suck it up and go learn how to play and build better.


And just so you know the reason ther are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a much better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players once already. Back then we kinda chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we had known that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed and educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then.

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City of What Was That?

No wait...City of Spies...

STALKER SAPPIN MAH PILLBOX!

And one lone Widow sobbing in the corner out of fright, with just enough stacked perception to see an ocean of orange names...

Dont forget the token DB/WP brute that sometimes shows his/her face in PVP zones saying "lOl wuz dat ur lookin at? ARRRRRRGGG! I HAVE EXPIRED!!!!!!!"

Here's the thing - given the way DR, heal decay, and travel suppression work, it seems as though they are trying to balance PvP for 1v1 scenarios. It's the only reason I can think of that would make the changes completely ruin the effectiveness of some entire sets (hello, Kins and Sonics) or change other sets into one-trick ponies (hello, FFs and TAs). That mentality's gotta change - in a multiplayer game, there needs to be some impetus to team or everyone will just end up soloing because they have no reason to team. One lucky person will get the rep and drop chance in zone kills instead of the chances being split among a team - which seems more fair?

I agree with your list, to an extent - here's what I'd change (and keep) about it.

* Buffable travel suppression - yes please. Kins need to have a use again. Problem then is every damn power that isn't a buff causes suppression. An Emp shouldn't be suppressed for healing.

* If a power doesn't target an enemy, it shouldn't cause suppression. This applies to buffs, ally heals, self-heals, and pet summons. Targeted location debuffs like Freezing Rain... maybe.

* Heal decay sucks. If people complain because they can't out-damage someone through their heals that means the healer is doing their job and the enemy should be trying to take the healer out first. Heal decay for green inspirations would be alright, I suppose, but in-set self/ally heals should not trigger heal decay.

* The mez system needs to find a middle ground between the I12 system and the I13 system. There are two ways this could happen: change mez resistance back into protection globally, and also give squishies mag 3 mez protection (enough to stop a non-crit Controller hold, or a non-Domination Dom hold). At the same time, cut the PvP duration of mezzes in half - hell, standardize them if you want, but make them last a duration that'd be long enough to be meaningful. Maybe something like 20 seconds, which gives enough time to stack the two holds needed to break a squishy's protection and keep them held for a while, but at the same time not necessarily spelling a death sentence if the squishy didn't have Break Frees or some other mez protection source. Another way to do this is like Emp mentioned - keep mez resistance, but ally-granted anti-mez should give limited protection. There needs to be a way to consistently keep offensive toggles up in a mez-heavy environment, and that fits the bill just fine.

* Speaking of offensive toggles, enemy-targeted toggles (Radiation Infection, Enervating Field, Darkest Night, Snow Storm) shouldn't cause travel suppression on their target. Their debuff effects are bad enough, being perma-suppressed while they're toggled on you is downright sad.

* There should be an option to completely turn off global base resistances in the arena, which would make external resistance buffs useful again, and Sonics might find a place on lineups and Therms might take their shields. Outside of the arena, that 40% base resistance should be lowered to 20 or even 30%, which would allow external resistance buffs to be useful while still fitting into the DR curves. What a solo squishy would lose in survivability (very little I'd guesstimate), an entire powerset would gain in PvP viability.

* Agreed about the unresisted damage, at least somewhat. Blasters should get their 10% back and the critical portion of Stalker, Scrapper, and VEAT attacks should bypass resistances. Assassin's Strike needs its damage scalar increased - maybe not back to 6x, but perhaps to 3x or 4x. My most powerful attack barely hits for 800-900 damage with Build Up, which means if my target's not already mostly dead I just end up with a Blaster at half health who can now see me. AS is interruptible and has a long, unenhanceable, interrupt period, and against competent teams is often risky to execute. For the constraints given to AS, and because of how incredibly easy it is to avoid, it needs to be more powerful.

* Slows need fixing. They need to be made more effective while still fitting into the confines of travel suppression (assuming zone PvP here). Adding back the -max speed attribute would be a good idea were it not for the fact that travel suppression already does the same thing. Increase the slow values by quite a bit and see what happens - having someone just run through your Tar Patch or Caltrops is pretty damn frustrating. Recharge slows seem to be working fine.

* -Range needs to be looked at. Previously you could debuff someone's range to zero, which wasn't exactly fair, but the lower limit's too high now. Stick the -range cap to something like 15 feet, or about twice melee range.

* Knockback - wha? It's not at all balanced that squishy ATs need to spend many millions to buy enhancements to stop powers that are completely effective using only SOs. Currently the only grantable ally knockback protection buff is Increase Density, which you won't see too often since the addition of forced travel suppression. Add KB protection in limited amounts (maybe 10 points per application) to all grantable anti-mez powers (CM, EM, Clarity, etc) in a PvP situation only.

I'm sure I'm missing something here, someone fill me in. Oh yeah, TK's broken, the Defender version still does repel and it's awful long duration for a toggle autohit hold...

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

I don't think it would be that much work, PvP 1.0 still exists outside in normal zones. When the devs made a glitch that put an unfinished zone live, we had PvP 1.0 in there.

Id rather see someone with extensive PvP experience from All MMO's to have that job. Arcana is good with numbers and makes sense sometimes, but Castle is as well and he knows the layout of the game a little better (as he should)

I think they need a Project manager PvP Dev. Doesn't have to be someone who can program, but someone who can visualize a balanced PvP and describe it to the programmers to make it happen.

I don't think the game needs a "PvP dev" much less me as it. Moving forward, I think the main thing CoX PvP needs is a middle ground between the test server and the live game that can be used to test PvP evolutionary changes over longer periods of time than beta tests normally allow for, and to allow for changes to be propagated in a manner that doesn't instantly displace people from one set of rules to another.

A combination of a cross-server PvP arena plus an expansion of the arena settings could allow the devs to introduce PvP changes as optional settings, and see over longer periods of time which ones are more acceptable to the PvP community in general. And moreover you'd have the additional option to detect segmentation in the PvP players, in terms of whether different groups of players prefer different PvP "rules" than others.

Over time you could in a more graceful manner introduce and migrate PvP mechanics to something that both caters to the established PvP community while looking for changes that would make it more palatable to players outside that community.

This would lower the "cost" of adopting player-driven suggestions for improving PvP, because no suggestion would automatically orphan other PvP players and the devs would have a way to know if that player's suggestion is in fact acceptable to the players (because they would increasingly use that setting).

It is in many ways highly suboptimal, and probably more confusing, but it also seems to be the safest way to proceed given the current circumstances. The main point is to create a marketplace of ideas where the devs' ideas of how PvP should work and various players' ideas of how PvP should work would have a chance to compete on a level playing field, and hopefully open the door for more experimentation with player-promoted ideas.

In many ways, I don't think CoX's PvP problems are mechanical problems at this point. I think they are community-based problems. I think any solution has to address the player community more, and in a way that is still acceptable to the devs given their design requirements.

Didn't they teach you anything in PB school? PBs are underpowered. They need a nice big fat damage buff and mez duration reduction as well as ranged holds for squid form. Work with me here

Ok.
Step 1 - Cut a hole in the box
Step 2 - Put PvP in the box
Step 3 - Have her open the box