Law of Fives.

Greetings all. Recently I discovered this horrible thing:

Any given specific set bonus that is granted from slotting enhancement sets can be applied to a character only five times. This is known as the Law of Fives.

There are many different enhancement sets in the game that will provide identical bonuses to a character's attributes. A character may have up to five copies of the same bonus and still get the benefit, however any additional bonuses to that attribute in that amount will not be counted.

For example: The Triage set provides +4% to Regeneration when two enhancements from the set are slotted in the same power. So a character can slot five Triage sets and get +4% from each, totaling +20% to their Regeneration. However if they slot a sixth Triage set, the bonus will not be applied.

The Law of Fives also takes affect even if the bonuses come from completely different sets, but still provide the same numerical benefit to the same attribute.

For example: The Brilliant Leadership set also provides +4% to Regeneration when two enhancements are slotted in the same power. If a character has three Triage sets and two Brilliant Leadership sets, they will get +4% to their Regeneration from each. However the character now has five copies of the exact same benefit, so if another Triage or Brilliant Leadership set is slotted, the Regeneration bonus will not be applied. If another set is slotted that provides a bonus to Regeneration with a value other than +4%, then that will be applied.


Please be aware of this wretched law, as I was not. Don't purp out anything or slot multiple enh without doing the math. You might be spending inf and wasting time. On a more personal note, I feel that this law should be done away with. With the exception of rares, procs, and purple sets themselves, this Law of Fives is nothing more than a thorn in everyones side.

I do not mean to be rude, but this has been known since inventions came out. It was even stated in the issue patch notes, and I think is mentioned in the invention tutorial. I think you'll be pretty much preaching to the choir here.

But, always good to teach newer players some things.

Also, the rule should NOT be done away with. Otherwise, it would be even easier to trivially get a lot of bonuses that can imbalance the game. It was put in to specifically not let you easily rack up a ton of big bonuses just by slotting the same set 10 times, or something like that.

I missed that bus, or I forgot about it. how does that saying go ? "Iv'e forgotten more than you will ever learn" So many teachers have told me that. Now I too can say this! Yippie!

I just dont want others making mistakes that could possible sour their gaming experience.

the Law of Fives is definitely souring.

edit: I understand that there could be an inbalance when slotting multiple times, however, that is debatable. doing so really would make all of your other powers ineffective, and when GR is released with all the new ways to increase your lvl 50's powers, the subject would become even more debatable.

I like to say debatable. its almost a vegetable.

how many times is the word "table" used?

Edited to remove false information.

The Invention System must have had, at some point, a design goal that said or implied, "Give people the ability to get this much power AND NO MORE."

I think stacking more than five of the same set bonus would be part of the "MORE" that they're talking about...

or are you suggesting that repealing the law of fives would NOT gain you any more power ?

Edited to note: There are a whole lot of sets that give the exact same bonus- a lot of 5% recharge, a lot of 1.5% HP - and it would be foolish to think that was an accident.

I woke up this morning, and found my acct was deactivated, so during the reactivation process, I went over everything and found a response to a ticket I filed a long time ago.

The "law of five" was one of the "possible solutions" to one of my problems, since then Iv'e gone over my builds and They all work within the Law of Five.

The set bonuses for impervium armor are broke. Those bonuses dont show under combat attributes and arent being applied to my character. That is my problem.

I thought the "Law of Five" was to blame...which is what kinda set this thread off, I also cut/pasted it here, so if any information regaurding the Law of Five is incorrect... its not my fault.

so,

Apologies if anyone was rubbed the wrong way, and thank you all for your help.


edit: Mids cant hold what I build these days, it needs an update. My brute cant be duplicated in mids, yet here I am with it.

two slotted should have a return of 2.5% improved recovery.

they dont show anywhere.

its possibe that the set wont return unless more are slotted.

its been /bugged.

edit: since the ticket was escalated and returned with "software not functioning as it should" points to bug. either that or im a big ball of retarded. I dont have resources to test the set, <got +100mill?> I cant get on the test server to test it, so, if anyone has any input/feedback about that, please share. Ive got two of the set in fire shields, plasma shields, and tough. a total of 7.5% should be in combat attributes... nowhere to be seen. I hope i16 has a fix for it.

Ive gone over attributes before and after slotting. I wrote them down. they simply dont show up..

the exact same thing it did before slotting enh. My numbers are all still the same, instead of writing it down on paper, I should have taken screenies I know...

Star's asking for what it actually says, not what you have already said (we know you think it hasn't changed). What the exact stats that are listed, like
Small Recovery Bonus .042

That kind of thing.

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The Law of Five is not a Nemisis plot, and I would know.

>.>

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I know that the information about the Rule of Five is out there, but I do see how it would be pretty easy for non-forumites to miss. I'd be all sorts of in favor of the sixth of any particular set bonus "redding out", maybe with a hover tip explaining the rule of five. At least that might stop some confusion on this issue.

Perhaps the bonus from Enforced Morale is flagged as a temporary Large Recharge Bonus?

That would explain why it's behaving like that. If it IS flagged as such it would be therefore subject to the law of 5.

update!

guess what everyone! I re-tested on a tank, taken screenies of before and after, compared the numbers, and found that the sets arent broken, my perception was way off, <because combat attributes arent clearly labeled, and rearrange themselves upon slotting> and all things are working as intended. If this brings any joy to anyone: I'm sure that the gm's and dev's and everyone else ive been bugging about this are quite insane from me making them chase their tails...have a laugh.

Ah well, at least I learned something.

I'm so very glad that I was wrong.

Sorry for wasting everyones time.

I feel your pain OP, I tripped over the law of five once. Mids has been a huge help