Zombies Attack! - In Real Life?!?
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Agonist_NA,
Posted on: 2009-08-25 11:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Have you run into any MA babies? There you go.|
Originally Posted by Agonist_NA
So, any chance of "infectious" zombies in CoX?
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Personally? I would LOVE a real life zombie attack! Call me sick, call me twisted, but i just cant see me being stupid enough to get bit 
Oh look a zombie!!! It cant run? It can only walk? Im dooomed! 
Would be fun!
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Nice one, NT! It would be fun if in one of the zombie scrums, certain PCs get "infected" (a la Confuse or such) and start attacking other PCs...you know that level 50 blaster on your team - uh oh, ZOMBIEFIED!
Damz, built into the model they put together is a factor for the "transmission" rate. Anything above zero is eventually going to doom humanity, since they keep coming back, and we can only die. It gets worse if you count birthrate, since new humans are just more potential converts to the zombies.
So, while they may just shuffle around, if there are 4 billion zombies, they pretty much have you surrounded and can shuffle up to you, and then you shuffle off your mortal coil!
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Ah but then the smart ones will go somewhere THEY cant go and just pick them off one by one |
Originally Posted by Agonist_NA
Nice one, NT! It would be fun if in one of the zombie scrums, certain PCs get "infected" (a la Confuse or such) and start attacking other PCs...you know that level 50 blaster on your team - uh oh, ZOMBIEFIED!
Damz, built into the model they put together is a factor for the "transmission" rate. Anything above zero is eventually going to doom humanity, since they keep coming back, and we can only die. It gets worse if you count birthrate, since new humans are just more potential converts to the zombies. So, while they may just shuffle around, if there are 4 billion zombies, they pretty much have you surrounded and can shuffle up to you, and then you shuffle off your mortal coil! |
Being not very smart you could just gather a large majority, and collapse a building or something onto them. In a zombie attack you'ld WANT to attract them to you surely, i'ld rather see them out in the open than be by myself wondering where they are
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Zombies don't get tired. You do. |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Oh look a zombie!!! It cant run? It can only walk? Im dooomed!
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If you haven't read Max Brooks' Zombie Survival Guide yet, I'd strongly suggest doing that.
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Originally Posted by The_Vulgarian_EU
Zombies don't get tired. You do.
If you haven't read Max Brooks' Zombie Survival Guide yet, I'd strongly suggest doing that. |
Run around a corner and they'ld be like huh where he go?
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Of course zombies have one major flaw. They need living humans to procreate or to feed themselves. They don't have the society us humans build to feed so many. So, once they have taken control of a population they will rapidly die off.
So, even in the worst apocalyptic scenario. You only need to be out of touch for a couple of weeks to survive this disaster. There are enough remote locations and survival nutters out there to make the survival of the human species possible.
I can see though why superheroes like to destroy as many zombies as possible. I will be there next attack
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Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
Of course zombies have one major flaw. They need living humans to procreate or to feed themselves. They don't have the society us humans build to feed so many. So, once they have taken control of a population they will rapidly die off.
So, even in the worst apocalyptic scenario. You only need to be out of touch for a couple of weeks to survive this disaster. There are enough remote locations and survival nutters out there to make the survival of the human species possible. I can see though why superheroes like to destroy as many zombies as possible. I will be there next attack |
According to resident evil 3 they can survive for decades without feeding
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I don't see resident evil 3 as a reliable scientific approved source |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
According to resident evil 3 they can survive for decades without feeding
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For... zombie facts?|
Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
I don't see resident evil 3 as a reliable scientific approved source
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Damz: What if they were like the zombies from 28 Days Later? Those suckers can run like crazy.
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The paper considers the scenario if zombies can reanimate corpses too. This is zombie genre canon, no?|
Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
Of course zombies have one major flaw. They need living humans to procreate or to feed themselves. They don't have the society us humans build to feed so many. So, once they have taken control of a population they will rapidly die off.
So, even in the worst apocalyptic scenario. You only need to be out of touch for a couple of weeks to survive this disaster. There are enough remote locations and survival nutters out there to make the survival of the human species possible. I can see though why superheroes like to destroy as many zombies as possible. I will be there next attack |
And why rapidly die off? Only in the "28 Days" type scenario. Depending on what is animating them, they might be immortal!
The short story "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson (don't know about the movies) has a nice twist on that topic.
And, if survivalists are the only human beings that survive, can humanity be said to have survived?
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Originally Posted by Brimstone Bruce
For... zombie facts?
Damz: What if they were like the zombies from 28 Days Later? Those suckers can run like crazy. |
Technically they werent zombies though were they, since they werent undead they were just infected. Wasnt the infection called rage or something along those lines? Just like the zombies/monsters in that will smith film which name i cant remember.
But yeah if a zombie COULD run, we would be doomed.
[dont want to sound a wimp, but 28 days/weeks later both scared me to death! lol]
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Run around a corner and they'ld be like huh where he go?
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I am a firm believer that there is not something as a perpetuum mobile. Or free endless sources of power. Whatever drivers these zombies needs energy to do its work. That energy, considering the fact that it targets organics (with a fondness for humans), is probably organic in nature as well. |
Originally Posted by Agonist_NA
The paper considers the scenario if zombies can reanimate corpses too. This is zombie genre canon, no?
And why rapidly die off? Only in the "28 Days" type scenario. Depending on what is animating them, they might be immortal! The short story "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson (don't know about the movies) has a nice twist on that topic. And, if survivalists are the only human beings that survive, can humanity be said to have survived? |
That said, there is theoretically loads of organics to consume. Question is what they can use for fuel source. Luckily we all know they go for the brain
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Originally Posted by Agonist_NA
So, any chance of "infectious" zombies in CoX?
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Originally Posted by NuclearToast
Have you run into any MA babies? There you go.
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I heard about this paper on NPR last week. They intereviewed the professor and he was really interesting. His name name is Robert Smith? - he had it legally changed to include the question mark so he would stand out from all the other Robert Smiths out there.
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Oh sure, NOW bring science into it! :P As a scientist, I have to hypothesize...|
Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
I am a firm believer that there is not something as a perpetuum mobile. Or free endless sources of power. Whatever drivers these zombies needs energy to do its work. That energy, considering the fact that it targets organics (with a fondness for humans), is probably organic in nature as well.
That said, there is theoretically loads of organics to consume. Question is what they can use for fuel source. Luckily we all know they go for the brain |
If they need fresh brains, then they would die out with living humans. (This happens with real diseases that are new to an organism - like what almost happened with the Bubonic Plague, and what maybe could happen with something like an easily transmissible bird flu or ebola.)
The zombie-fier (whatever it is) could evolve into a form that is less virulent (as would happen with a disease after a few generations, like any number of flu viruses). Maybe they just nibble on people's toes or something...
The zombie-fier could consume anything organic, in which case they would be grazing in the fields, not in our heads and attacking us. (Zombies - the new farm pests!) I suppose they could be omnivores with a predilection for human flesh because it is tasty to them. (All the essential nutrients!)
Maybe they are photosynthetic! That is why zombies are green! We only see them at night because they are basking in the sun during the day!
Or they could be "magic" and in violation of every law of thermodynamics, they could go on and on and on....
If you want to learn about real (and really freaky) zombies, check out Parasite Rex by Carl Zimmer:
http://www.amazon.com/Parasite-Rex-B...1239567&sr=8-1
where you will learn about zombie ants and mind-controlled crabs and suchlike....far more frisson-generating than any zombie story!
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Oh thank you Missy! I was wondering how to go about finding out why the guy had a question mark in his name! |
Originally Posted by MissInformed
His name name is Robert Smith? - he had it legally changed to include the question mark so he would stand out from all the other Robert Smiths out there.
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Read the Zombie Survival Guide. Almost nothing eats zombie flesh, this includes most bacteria. Zombies can remain active for years at a time. They also don't need human flesh for sustenance either.
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Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
Of course zombies have one major flaw. They need living humans to procreate or to feed themselves. They don't have the society us humans build to feed so many. So, once they have taken control of a population they will rapidly die off.
So, even in the worst apocalyptic scenario. You only need to be out of touch for a couple of weeks to survive this disaster. There are enough remote locations and survival nutters out there to make the survival of the human species possible. I can see though why superheroes like to destroy as many zombies as possible. I will be there next attack |
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this is a good book, give some good advice, and gives *cough* facts on zombies.
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Originally Posted by The_Vulgarian_EU
Zombies don't get tired. You do.
If you haven't read Max Brooks' Zombie Survival Guide yet, I'd strongly suggest doing that. |
See i've always had a simple idea for a zombie outbreak, if i survive, great! i get experience in guns and how to work in groups, if things go south...well....i don't exactly die, just...lose seintance and gain group skills.
Win/kinda win, imo
Oh well, all speculations aside. I find it amusing that such a paper is written about something like Zombie Apocalypse. As good a subject as any other plague thing.
One of the most important things to know about the Zombie Apocalypse: You don't know anything. Doesn't matter how many movies you've seen, or how many survival guides you've memorized... the reality could be entirely different from what we've seen in fiction. Of course knowing the possibilities and the various different scenarios will be a big help, but relying on them as faultless truths will only get you killed.
Well, simply put, the best survival tool you can develop is versatility. The ability to adjust yourself and your methods to fit any situation. As long as you don't hold too tightly to what you THINK you know and don't refuse to accept the new reality, you should be fine. Or rather, you'll have a better chance than most people.
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How convenient.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Read the Zombie Survival Guide. Almost nothing eats zombie flesh, this includes most bacteria. Zombies can remain active for years at a time. They also don't need human flesh for sustenance either.
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Oh my... won't you be screwed when they turn out to be fast-moving zombies.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Personally? I would LOVE a real life zombie attack! Call me sick, call me twisted, but i just cant see me being stupid enough to get bit
Oh look a zombie!!! It cant run? It can only walk? Im dooomed! Would be fun! |
I found this interesting:
http://www.mathstat.uottawa.ca/~rsmith/Zombies.pdf
It is a research paper investigating the effect different zombie parameters and non-zombie reactions would have on a zombie apocalypse. If you ever wondered just why heroes and villains respond so aggressively to the zombie invasions in Paragon City, the math in the paper shows why: if we don't, we lose.
It concludes, "In summary, a zombie outbreak is likely to lead to the collapse of civilisation, unless it is dealt with quickly. While aggressive quarantine may contain the epidemic, or a cure may lead to coexistence of humans and zombies, the most effective way to contain the rise of the undead is to hit hard and hit often. As seen in the movies, it is imperative that zombies are dealt with quickly, or else we are all in a great deal of trouble."
(The findings are not just silly - the mathematical model they create could be an analog to real-life infectious events.)
So, any chance of "infectious" zombies in CoX?
(I would love to have Arcanaville and/or devs educate on how the formulae at the end of the paper could be incorporated into CoX!!!)