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Posted on: 2009-08-23 01:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Hmmm...
Althouh I find the concept worthy and I suppose it fills a need, I can't help but giggle at the following quote:
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Surely the best way to get over something is not to have it taken away for a while but to have it there and gradually cut back?
Though it is funny 
Edit: Wonder if he'll turn up as a troll or a superhero?
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At least he isn't being sent to Chinese boot camp.
Season 1 of Intervention had a kid addicted to video games on it. They wanted to send him away to some camp, but I'm pretty sure he refused to go.
The follow-up text implied that he lost his girlfriend, but is still alive.
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Originally Posted by Lady Athyna
At least he isn't being sent to Chinese boot camp.
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The camp costs $14,500 to attend? Maybe the kid should rethink leaving his computer, if all he's been doing is sitting in front of it and he's still ended up with that much money to burn on a glorified camping trip. Or could be that his parents are both rich and desperate.
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... said Hilarie Cash, a psychotherapist at reStart.
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That would only work if the person had the ability to control his or her desires. I think it's safe to assume anyone in rehab has admitted the inability to do so. Sure, they could have computers you needed supervision to use and some sort of locking system, but then you're investing time and money into the systems, the personnel to monitor them, and other personnel to monitor all the residents to make sure they're not sneaking around or trying to hack whatever system is in place.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Surely the best way to get over something is not to have it taken away for a while but to have it there and gradually cut back?
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Granted, I think it's true one of the reasons rehab doesn't work for many is because it puts them in a bubble where they're not confronted by the temptations of their addictions and don't know how to handle them outside the bubble. But I think it is more beneficial to break the cycle of the addiction first, then gradually expose the person to the temptations with a support system in place than to hope the person will be able to cut back slowly at the beginning. That doesn't work for most people and they won't be able to establish a reasonable amount to cut back by or stick to it.
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Originally Posted by MissInformed
That would only work if the person had the ability to control his or her desires. I think it's safe to assume anyone in rehab has admitted the inability to do so. Sure, they could have computers you needed supervision to use and some sort of locking system, but then you're investing time and money into the systems, the personnel to monitor them, and other personnel to monitor all the residents to make sure they're not sneaking around or trying to hack whatever system is in place.
Granted, I think it's true one of the reasons rehab doesn't work for many is because it puts them in a bubble where they're not confronted by the temptations of their addictions and don't know how to handle them outside the bubble. But I think it is more beneficial to break the cycle of the addiction first, then gradually expose the person to the temptations with a support system in place than to hope the person will be able to cut back slowly at the beginning. That doesn't work for most people and they won't be able to establish a reasonable amount to cut back by or stick to it. |
Thats how i would do it too, just [like you said] putting them in a bubble away from it isnt solving any problem, in fact it has the potential to make it worse for them.
At a guess, if this person is constantly in front of a computer then fitness wise they would be very unfit, so i would personally get them into some form of exercise daily routine. Sure the start would be tough but after a while the feel good factor comes into effect and they would have more confidence in joining the more physical activities. If you are just sitting constantly then you have no real desire/energy to go do anything outside really.
So many different methods of solving a problem like this, but i do think that this particular one has got to be one of the worst ways of dealing with it.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Surely the best way to get over something is not to have it taken away for a while but to have it there and gradually cut back?
Though it is funny Edit: Wonder if he'll turn up as a troll or a superhero? |
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The Dutch (IIRC) have been running internet gaming addiction sessions for a while. There was an article on the BBC website maybe 2 years ago about it
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I think working on other activities is a good plan, but I wouldn't focus too much on any one activity, like a fitness routine. People who become addicted to things like games usually do so because they have an addictive personality. Depending on the extent, some people are likely to just swap one addiction for another, never really getting cured of anything. There are people out there addicted to physical fitness/working out. While it may seem like a "healthy" thing to be addicted to, if it precludes someone from other normal acitivities, interferes with family life, etc, it doesn't matter if it's exercise versus gambling versus gaming; it's bad news.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
At a guess, if this person is constantly in front of a computer then fitness wise they would be very unfit, so i would personally get them into some form of exercise daily routine. Sure the start would be tough but after a while the feel good factor comes into effect and they would have more confidence in joining the more physical activities. If you are just sitting constantly then you have no real desire/energy to go do anything outside really.
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Someone be kind enough to explain to me why playing games can be called an addiction, but doing other recreational activities, like visiting friends, or shooting targets at a firing range, or cleaning (yes, some people clean things for fun), or going out to eat, or any of the million other activities that different people do for fun aren't considered addictions.
It just seems a bit biased to me to see gamers being referred to as addicts, but people who hang out at a friend's apartment every night aren't. Both are engaged in behavior which they enjoy, both can be taken to extremes, but the gamer is the one who's "sick" and the person who goes out every chance he/she gets is "healthy"? Guy who plays chess every night in the park is normal, girl who sits at home playing video games and chatting online is abnormal? Girl who plays bingo nightly is fine but the fellow who murders hordes of zombies needs help?
I don't understand how there's a difference, or how one can be called an addict and the other can't. Enlighten me.
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Originally Posted by Luminara
I don't understand how there's a difference, or how one can be called an addict and the other can't. Enlighten me.
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Originally Posted by The_Vulgarian_EU
The camp costs $14,500 to attend? Maybe the kid should rethink leaving his computer, if all he's been doing is sitting in front of it and he's still ended up with that much money to burn on a glorified camping trip. Or could be that his parents are both rich and desperate.
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And dude, you could buy a sweet gaming rig for $14500.
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Computer + ****** to do stuff to you while you play.
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
And dude, you could buy a sweet gaming rig for $14500.
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Originally Posted by Luminara
Guy who plays chess every night in the park is normal, girl who sits at home playing video games and chatting online is abnormal? Girl who plays bingo nightly is fine but the fellow who murders hordes of zombies needs help?
I don't understand how there's a difference, or how one can be called an addict and the other can't. Enlighten me. |
Someone who plays chess a couple hours every night is no more addicted than someone who plays a video game a couple hours a night. But we're not talking about a couple hours. We're talking about every possible minute - eating at the computer, not meeting with family or friends, neglecting schoolwork, neglecting personal hygiene. If someone spent 12 hours a day playing/studying chess, they'd probably be considered addicted - unless they were making a living at it.
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How does making a living at it make it not an addiction? I work 12 hours a day, and it sure as hell isn't healthy or fun. I have to agree with Lumi on this one...why aren't I addicted to work, but if I spent the same energy on games, I'd be addicted to games.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
If someone spent 12 hours a day playing/studying chess, they'd probably be considered addicted - unless they were making a living at it.
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I think the difference is that people dont take visiting friends, shooting targets at a firing range, cleaning, going out ot eat, or any of the other millions of activities to be the ONLY activity they do outside of eating,sleeping (very little) and voiding their bowels.|
Originally Posted by Luminara
Someone be kind enough to explain to me why playing games can be called an addiction, but doing other recreational activities, like visiting friends, or shooting targets at a firing range, or cleaning (yes, some people clean things for fun), or going out to eat, or any of the million other activities that different people do for fun aren't considered addictions.
I don't understand how there's a difference, or how one can be called an addict and the other can't. Enlighten me. |
This is where the addiction seems to take hold in MMOs- its the fact people play them for hours upon hours instead of taking care of what they need to do to make their real lives productive.
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I agree that earning a living at an activity does not exclude the possibility of addiction to that activity. But, it is the compulsion that defines the addiction. You could be addicted to work. Do you have an irresistible persistent impulse to perform work? Meaning that you go to work because doing so is irresistible? I think you find working resistible. At least, based on your response.|
Originally Posted by Karl_Rove_Man
How does making a living at it make it not an addiction? I work 12 hours a day, and it sure as hell isn't healthy or fun. I have to agree with Lumi on this one...why aren't I addicted to work, but if I spent the same energy on games, I'd be addicted to games.
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All of those things Lumi listed could be an object of someone's addiction, including gaming. No activity is an addiction but, each of them could be a manifestation of one.
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Originally Posted by Luminara
Girl who plays bingo nightly is fine but the fellow who murders hordes of zombies needs help?
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The 'addiction' label is a value judgment applied by others which, by the nature of addiction, it has to be. If you play a game 12 hours a day, it's probably interfering with your life. However, if you're a professional gamer, then playing a game all day *IS* your life and it ENABLES other things in your life by giving you a salary.|
Originally Posted by Karl_Rove_Man
How does making a living at it make it not an addiction? I work 12 hours a day, and it sure as hell isn't healthy or fun. I have to agree with Lumi on this one...why aren't I addicted to work, but if I spent the same energy on games, I'd be addicted to games.
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A flat-out measure of hours spent at an activity does not indicate addiction. It's whether the activity interferes with other aspects of your life. If gaming 10 hours a day makes you drop out of college, it's a problem. If gaming 10 hours a day pays your rent, it's not a problem. Well, it still COULD be, but there's more to it. If you're working 12 hours a day when you could stop at 8, and it destroys your marriage, then it's a problem.
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So addiction is not simply doing something, or doing something to the point of not doing other things, but doing something in a way that makes it detrimental or harmful to your existence.|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
The 'addiction' label is a value judgment applied by others which, by the nature of addiction, it has to be. If you play a game 12 hours a day, it's probably interfering with your life. However, if you're a professional gamer, then playing a game all day *IS* your life and it ENABLES other things in your life by giving you a salary.
A flat-out measure of hours spent at an activity does not indicate addiction. It's whether the activity interferes with other aspects of your life. If gaming 10 hours a day makes you drop out of college, it's a problem. If gaming 10 hours a day pays your rent, it's not a problem. Well, it still COULD be, but there's more to it. If you're working 12 hours a day when you could stop at 8, and it destroys your marriage, then it's a problem. |
To make an example of myself, if I play games for eight hours every night, this activity which would appear to be detrimental or harmful if done by another person would actually be viewed as beneficial for me because it functions as a social outlet and/or relaxation, things which I could not otherwise do if I weren't playing games. But if it reached a point where I quit or lost my job, or my health began to deteriorate specifically due to playing games, it would then be labeled as an addiction.
It is... not the activity itself, but the repercussions of the activity that make it a positive or negative thing.
Am I understanding the concept of addiction better now, or is there still more to it?
You pretty much got it.
I play CoH anywhere from 1 to 3 hours a day, more if my schedule allows. Perfectly normal behavior.
If I were to play CoH 16 hours a day and did nothing else, causing my marriage to fail, loss of income, health deterioration, and unwillingness to leave the computer for more than a few minutes, that would be an indication of a problem.
It's not just the video games, there are millions of people who play them and suffer no adverse consequences. It is when they begin to interfere with an otherwise normal life that they become a problem.
Also, addiction is usually associated with a psychological dependence on whatever it is. A feeling of not being able to live without said object, substance or activity is another sign of addiction. In the case of substances there is sometimes a physical dependence on it, you body grows accustommed to it's presence and there are adverse side effects to halting the intake of said substance. Fortunately video games do not fall into the physical dependence category.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Back in the early 2000's, Ben Stein (comedian, actor, Conservative quasi-pundit, etc) sent his son off to boarding school because Stein was unable to get him to stop playing Everquest. Given options such as say, getting rid of the computer, I always thought that sending your kid away for playing too many video games was exceedingly lame parenting.|
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Daily Telegraph (London):Teenager obsessed by World of Warcraft first to attend US internet addiction retreat
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The original American Spectator article where he talks about it isn't archived but you can read parts of it here and he talked about it way back in 2002 in a CBS News special on the evils of MMORPGs.
Daily Telegraph (London):Teenager obsessed by World of Warcraft first to attend US internet addiction retreat
...he'll just think he's training up as a Shaman.
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