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Since a lot of players hang out in Atlas/Cap, have you gone there to recruit for your teams? Some players will jump at the chance to leave the AE building and do regular content.
I've made this suggestion with my supergroup several times and we always had a blast doing it as well. We'd do a few AE missions, start getting bored, someone asks what mission to do next, I suggest some of the 'real' missions out there, and its off to PI, RWZ, Cim, G-Ville, or the Shard we go. Most of the time I'm playing AE missions its just cause I enjoy playing on a team, whatever the team is doing, over solo and would gladly go run some radios or a TF if someone else wanted to. I'd imagine there are a lot of people out there in the same boat that are just running AE missions there because its the easiest place to get on a team and just want to play, but would jump at the chance to go do something else in the other zones if they had a team.


 

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AE XP. Nerf It. Hard.

I used to form teams almost every day, using /search, sending out waves of messages for people to join, etc. But now... now even that doesnt work. This new generation of players has no clue how to play, some of them have never left Atlas Park. It was depressing to get a 5 man team together at level 28ish the other day and have someone leave because there wasnt a /kin on the team. We had a /Dark and a /Cold. Apparently that wasnt enough for him.


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AE XP. Nerf It. Hard.

I used to form teams almost every day, using /search, sending out waves of messages for people to join, etc. But now... now even that doesnt work. This new generation of players has no clue how to play, some of them have never left Atlas Park. It was depressing to get a 5 man team together at level 28ish the other day and have someone leave because there wasnt a /kin on the team. We had a /Dark and a /Cold. Apparently that wasnt enough for him.
It's funny that people assume this never happened on teams before AE.

It's also odd that so many people suddenly have trouble finding teams outside of AE. I haven't experienced this phenomenon on one of the lightest servers (Triumph).


 

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I don't really understand why people hate forming their own teams. If there were three other people broadcasting at the same time for a similar-level team, that would have been a four-person team (which is fine in this game), and you could have all been off.

All it would have taken is for one of those four people to start inviting. Whenever I see that kind of thing, I start inviting, and it's amazing how fast a team will form.
I'm also curious as to what constitutes the "leadership crap" that no one wants to do? How hard is it to say "we are doing X", "head to X" and maybe once in a mission "follow the tank" or simply state some simple tactics. I like to PUG and have been on many a PUG where not much is said, even from the player with the star and we steam rolled missions. This game isn't very complicated.


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For me, yes. AE boss missions are truly boring.
There is more to AE than boss missions. A *lot* more.


 

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I feel the original poster's pain. I much prefer playing redside. I just find the ATs there much more enjoyable. However, good luck finding a team. Before the Mission Architect, finding teams was difficult, but doable. Now? Pfft. Before level 35, the only available teaming option is AE farms in Cap au Diable. After level 35, it's either ITF runs or AE farms in Cap au Diable.

"Well, make your own team!"

I tried, repeatedly. I spent quite a few of my evenings just standing around, searching, and asking anyone that shows up in my search window within five levels of my character that isn't already teamed if they'd be interested in teaming. Most of the times, I'd only find three to five people in one night that fit that criteria, and only once was anyone interested in doing non-AE farm missions.

People said that the newness of the Mission Architect would wear off after a while and I'd be able to find teams again. I've waited four months, and I still am not finding anyone willing to team outside of AE farms.

Sorry, but I'm done waiting and soloing. I already purchased a lifetime subscription to Champions Online. Just a few more weeks, and I'll be able to play with others again.


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After seeing the replies, I can say this.

I know how to create teams. I do it when necessary. Last night no one wanted to be on my team. I asked politely and either I got no answer or 'no'. Well, no, that's not entirely accurate -- I got one guy who said yes, but he left almost immediately for an AE team.

The problem is not that I don't know how to start teams. It's that in Cap au Diable, on the Virtue Server at that time, there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute.

Is it that I should have gone back to Port Oakes and tried there?

Maybe it was just that time of night. (11 PM CST)

Or maybe something else.


 

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After seeing the replies, I can say this.

I know how to create teams. I do it when necessary. Last night no one wanted to be on my team. I asked politely and either I got no answer or 'no'. Well, no, that's not entirely accurate -- I got one guy who said yes, but he left almost immediately for an AE team.

The problem is not that I don't know how to start teams. It's that in Cap au Diable, on the Virtue Server at that time, there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute.

Is it that I should have gone back to Port Oakes and tried there?

Maybe it was just that time of night. (11 PM CST)

Or maybe something else.

Honestly, it could have been one of those things or all of those things. There isn't much you can do about it other than shrug it off and solo.


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There is more to AE than boss missions. A *lot* more.
I agree. Unfortunately, the focus for most AE players is boss farming.


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In addition to using the Search Function I also have a macro which broadcasts "Level x-ish team, running regular (NON-AE) missions. Looking for more teammates" As a macro I can easily edit it to repace the x with whatever level our team is tunning at.
Edit your macro to replace x with $level and it will always shout out your level.


 

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There is more to AE than boss missions. A *lot* more.
True. But so what?
Perception = reality. The perception is that when you attempt to build a pick up team for AE, or join one, most of the team tends to want to farm, and most farms are boss farms. True this is not always the case, and no one is disputing that. It is the norm and an overwhelming norm. Rare are those AE players, and teams that are not expecting or anticipating farms.

Many are the ones on the boards who will say "I have no problem getting on, or making teams" but I wonder if the circumstances are the same. Aside from friends and SG mates, building teams, especially red side, has become much more difficult for someone who wants to run regular content. But, if what you want to do is PL in AE... building teams is much much easier. People beg to get on teams there.


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Edit your macro to replace x with $level and it will always shout out your level.
Did that initially, but I learned I didn't always want to shout my level. Sometimes the missions we were running were a level or two higher then me.


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While I agree with the whole "form your own team using all peoplefinding tools available"...

It's fricking impossible to get a team going Redside. Nobody is looking, nobody wants to join, nobody will join if asked. Add in that I don't want to have to do all the team leader crap EVERY time I play a villain, and it's downright painful.

I'm finally to the point where I want to complain about this ****. I can find teams or form teams heroside- it's not the easiest, but at least it's possible. Redside? Yeah, it was tough enough before AE came around, and now it's basically "throw yourself at crappy AE things or play your villains solo"


All the advice like "form your own team" is great and all, but it doesn't necessarily work.
Then take some additional steps. Look for your server forum and post a message asking people to join you in running missions for Contact X or whatever you want to do that night. Include a time and place to meet and your global handle. If you want a team, you're going to have to work harder to sell people on why they should team with you instead of doing whatever else they wanted to do. Once you get one team, friend the people so you know who was open to teaming and who was fun to team with. Sure it's harder, but it's always been harder on the red side. If it wasn't the AE, it would be the fact that the game is 5 years old and there's been little marketing done to get new players to come onboard in the last 3 or more of those years.

Let's all hope while you're selling people on the idea of joining you, the marketing team is working on selling people the idea of joining all of us.


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Then take some additional steps. Look for your server forum and post a message asking people to join you in running missions for Contact X or whatever you want to do that night. Include a time and place to meet and your global handle. If you want a team, you're going to have to work harder to sell people on why they should team with you instead of doing whatever else they wanted to do. Once you get one team, friend the people so you know who was open to teaming and who was fun to team with. Sure it's harder, but it's always been harder on the red side. If it wasn't the AE, it would be the fact that the game is 5 years old and there's been little marketing done to get new players to come onboard in the last 3 or more of those years.

Let's all hope while you're selling people on the idea of joining you, the marketing team is working on selling people the idea of joining all of us.
Sorry, but if you have to put in all that work just to find a team to play with, then the game is dead. It's sad. I still love City of Villains, but it's obvious that redside at least has been dead for some time and rigor mortis has set in.


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There are DOZENS of valuable posts here already, I only want to add...

that I form really fun 8-man teams EVERY SINGLE time I log on (the only exception being dbl-xp weekend - THAT was a chore).

I lead teams primarily because I don't trust anyone else (barring a select few) to do it as efficiently and enjoyably as I.

But LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, forming and running teams gets easier and easier every time you do it.

Just gotta jump in, make some mistakes, learn from those mistakes, and keep pluggin away.

When forming teams, a polite, literate Bind is MANDATORY, I use:

/bind x "tell $target, Level $level-ish team LFM - would you like to join us?"

I never begin forming a team until I have AT LEAST one of my own, level-appropriate missions ready-to-go (meaning I already have it selected as the active mish before I invite the first member).

I often try to run around and grab 2 or 3 good mish before forming my team, so we can steam-roller right along with mere seconds between exiting the finished mish and moving to the next.

Beyond FORMING a team, I've found that most players respond well to an actual LEADER, who leads by example and provides solid direction and commands WHEN APPROPRIATE.

When Leading I usually have the map open, constantly checking for SPLIT teams and turned-around stragglers. Stragglers get a TP, Split teams get a:

"REGROUP on **(tank, scrap, or Kheld meat shield)** pls".

Keep an eye out for inadvertant mega-aggro (more groups than intended) and let fly:

"Fall back & Regroup NOW pls" if it looks too dangerous (I usually wait until 2 heroes are down before issuing this request).

Leading can be a chore, but it can also be extremely rewarding. I get private Tells as they are leaving, thanking me for inviting them, from heroes on just about every team I form.

BOTTOM LINE: Like everything in life, PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT.

Start forming and leading teams... you may not be great at it, at first, but you will improve, and it will make the game more fun, in the long run, I promise.


 

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There is more to AE than boss missions. A *lot* more.
Tell that to the 5 out of 8 players who quit my team running a non-farm AE arc when we got inside....

"Hey! This isn't a farm!" <quit>

one of the remaining players: "you really should have specified this wasn't a farm"

Oh, now *I* have to specify it's NOT a farm?!?!?

Ridiculous.


 

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Try soloing a Kin/Rad Defender.
I have a kin/rad defender, and a rad/kin corruptor. I solo about 80% of the time on any character I make.

What of it?


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Tell that to the 5 out of 8 players who quit my team running a non-farm AE arc when we got inside....

"Hey! This isn't a farm!" <quit>

one of the remaining players: "you really should have specified this wasn't a farm"

Oh, now *I* have to specify it's NOT a farm?!?!?

Ridiculous.
*shrug* That's still 3 people to team with. There's nothing saying that you have to team with 8-man groups all the time.


 

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Is there a solution to my problem?
Find out what channels your server has for people looking to team. Add people who you team with and they don't annoy you to your global friends list.


 

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*shrug* That's still 3 people to team with. There's nothing saying that you have to team with 8-man groups all the time.
QFT

Yesterday morning, I played a tanker and duoed with a scrapper and we had a lot of fun, just the two of us.


 

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I'm also curious as to what constitutes the "leadership crap" that no one wants to do? How hard is it to say "we are doing X", "head to X" and maybe once in a mission "follow the tank" or simply state some simple tactics. I like to PUG and have been on many a PUG where not much is said, even from the player with the star and we steam rolled missions. This game isn't very complicated.
Though I agree, some experiences with leading teams is well, less than pleasant. People demanding their way of play, or hassling for certain missions/team make up etc can be hard for some types of people to manage in their 'relax' time.

Majority of the time though, its just a case of set mission and go.

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there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute.
The farm spam is mostly for 30+ yes.
People running missions will have different criteria.


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Since a lot of players hang out in Atlas/Cap, have you gone there to recruit for your teams? Some players will jump at the chance to leave the AE building and do regular content.
Actually, this is really clever. I usually jump with joy when I see a non-AE broadcast in Atlas and join almost anything if I find that I can get a team that has nothing to do with AE. I have also started broadcasting in Atlas for almost anything. It is convenient to have everyone gathered in the same spot, but I still feel that it is inappropriate that it should be the starting zone and the first thing new players encounter.


 

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When in doubt, spam the Search window. Start with the LFT-flagged players first, then work your way down others who match your level range, throwing in sidekicks as the mentor situation allows. Be polite and informative - start with a greeting {hey, hi, hello, etc.} and follow through with what kind of missions you're running {arcs, radios etc} and what type of enemies you expect to encounter. Throw in the actual story arc premise if you feel like it.

Takes me about five minutes to assemble a team of three or four that way, with more becoming available as time passes and new players log on. A modicum of politeness and showing that you know what you're doing {or faking it convincingly} can go quite a long way.


 

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Originally Posted by Black_Marrow View Post
AE XP. Nerf It. Hard.

I used to form teams almost every day, using /search, sending out waves of messages for people to join, etc. But now... now even that doesnt work. This new generation of players has no clue how to play, some of them have never left Atlas Park. It was depressing to get a 5 man team together at level 28ish the other day and have someone leave because there wasnt a /kin on the team. We had a /Dark and a /Cold. Apparently that wasnt enough for him.
Are you new? That exact same thing happened before AE. Jeez, have you never played a Dark/Dark Defender? Have you never had anyone say 'We need a healer' while you're on the team already? Those same morons existed prior to AE, prior to WW/BM, prior to, hell, when level 40 was the cap they existed.

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I feel the original poster's pain. I much prefer playing redside. I just find the ATs there much more enjoyable. However, good luck finding a team. Before the Mission Architect, finding teams was difficult, but doable. Now? Pfft. Before level 35, the only available teaming option is AE farms in Cap au Diable. After level 35, it's either ITF runs or AE farms in Cap au Diable.

"Well, make your own team!"

I tried, repeatedly. I spent quite a few of my evenings just standing around, searching, and asking anyone that shows up in my search window within five levels of my character that isn't already teamed if they'd be interested in teaming. Most of the times, I'd only find three to five people in one night that fit that criteria, and only once was anyone interested in doing non-AE farm missions.

People said that the newness of the Mission Architect would wear off after a while and I'd be able to find teams again. I've waited four months, and I still am not finding anyone willing to team outside of AE farms.

Sorry, but I'm done waiting and soloing. I already purchased a lifetime subscription to Champions Online. Just a few more weeks, and I'll be able to play with others again.
Please begone. I too bought a lifetime sub to Champions. But I also re-upped both my accounts here for a year (and would've added two years if NCSoft allowed it. But they don't, which boggles the mind). Y'see, I've been playing these games long enough to know how they work. People said the same thing about Age of Conan....and Warhammer, hell, let's go back further, EQ2, DAoC, Anarchy Online. Y'know, I'm gonna use an old school acronym that most people here probably won't even recognize: GQLLFM. So yeah, when the 'new car smell' wears off of CO (like it did with AoC and WAR and AO and EQ2 and DAoC and...) and folks start filtering back to the game they prefer, tune up the whine time band and play that song on that game's message board.

What's funny to me is, people play these games and verbally castigate people who prefer to play solo using that "it's a multiplayer game. You need to be social!". But it's often those same 'antisocial' types who seem to have zero trouble putting together teams whenever they feel like it. If your social network can't provide a team for you at your beck and call, that's a personal problem, I think.

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After seeing the replies, I can say this.

I know how to create teams. I do it when necessary. Last night no one wanted to be on my team. I asked politely and either I got no answer or 'no'. Well, no, that's not entirely accurate -- I got one guy who said yes, but he left almost immediately for an AE team.

The problem is not that I don't know how to start teams. It's that in Cap au Diable, on the Virtue Server at that time, there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute.

Is it that I should have gone back to Port Oakes and tried there?

Maybe it was just that time of night. (11 PM CST)

Or maybe something else.
Hello, I play on Virtue too and have zero trouble putting together groups at any and all times of the day. I prefer to solo (because PUG are such a mixed bag) though I team with friends fairly frequently. However, I almost never try to team with my brute prior to level 20 or so. Those levels fly by too quickly and teaming often has me at level 22 with little inf due to the loot split in teams. No one's going to ensure my characters are "equipped" but me so that's a bad thing.

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Many are the ones on the boards who will say "I have no problem getting on, or making teams" but I wonder if the circumstances are the same. Aside from friends and SG mates, building teams, especially red side, has become much more difficult for someone who wants to run regular content. But, if what you want to do is PL in AE... building teams is much much easier. People beg to get on teams there.
Sorry, I am probably THE most particular group leader in this game. I won't even send a tell to someone with a name I don't like (all lower case, period at the beginning or end, blatant copyright rip, etc). If I do invite and someone says (seriously) "We need a healer", I use the /kick button with extreme prejudice. Even with all that, I can put together a group of 4 with little trouble, doing regular content. If it's a low level team blueside (and a few times, even redside), I do the Nuclear in 90 arc Cavatina made and a few other non-farm AE missions. Like Snakebit mentioned, I'm not one of those people who thinks an 8 person team is the only viable team. In fact, many times, 8 person pickup teams can be a huge headache since you have no idea how competent all of your teammates are.

Celestial_Lord, I've done the same thing in every MMO I've played since EverQuest in 99. I don't consider it 'work'. I consider it the best way to get the kind of team I want. It's the same as only recruiting groupmates from guilds of your raiding tier. If you're planning to run for 3 hours, you really don't want to invite the person who can only play uninterrupted for 30 minutes. Likewise, if I want a particular kind of team here, I put it together myself. I don't wait around expecting others to do it for me. Because of my experiences playing various powersets, I tend to look for those sets when I'm building a team (or even when I'm not). If I'm on my ice tanker, I look specifically for a force field defender because I know how people discriminate against that set ("OMG no healz?!?").

I think the reason some people are unable to find teams is because they're either not using the tools available to them (notes, friends list, search, etc) or....well, other people are using the tools against them.


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Great advice in this post. I'd team with this person!


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