Originally Posted by Kryhavoc
Since a lot of players hang out in Atlas/Cap, have you gone there to recruit for your teams? Some players will jump at the chance to leave the AE building and do regular content.
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I used to form teams almost every day, using /search, sending out waves of messages for people to join, etc. But now... now even that doesnt work. This new generation of players has no clue how to play, some of them have never left Atlas Park. It was depressing to get a 5 man team together at level 28ish the other day and have someone leave because there wasnt a /kin on the team. We had a /Dark and a /Cold. Apparently that wasnt enough for him.
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I used to form teams almost every day, using /search, sending out waves of messages for people to join, etc. But now... now even that doesnt work. This new generation of players has no clue how to play, some of them have never left Atlas Park. It was depressing to get a 5 man team together at level 28ish the other day and have someone leave because there wasnt a /kin on the team. We had a /Dark and a /Cold. Apparently that wasnt enough for him. |
It's also odd that so many people suddenly have trouble finding teams outside of AE. I haven't experienced this phenomenon on one of the lightest servers (Triumph).
I don't really understand why people hate forming their own teams. If there were three other people broadcasting at the same time for a similar-level team, that would have been a four-person team (which is fine in this game), and you could have all been off.
All it would have taken is for one of those four people to start inviting. Whenever I see that kind of thing, I start inviting, and it's amazing how fast a team will form. |
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I feel the original poster's pain. I much prefer playing redside. I just find the ATs there much more enjoyable. However, good luck finding a team. Before the Mission Architect, finding teams was difficult, but doable. Now? Pfft. Before level 35, the only available teaming option is AE farms in Cap au Diable. After level 35, it's either ITF runs or AE farms in Cap au Diable.
"Well, make your own team!"
I tried, repeatedly. I spent quite a few of my evenings just standing around, searching, and asking anyone that shows up in my search window within five levels of my character that isn't already teamed if they'd be interested in teaming. Most of the times, I'd only find three to five people in one night that fit that criteria, and only once was anyone interested in doing non-AE farm missions.
People said that the newness of the Mission Architect would wear off after a while and I'd be able to find teams again. I've waited four months, and I still am not finding anyone willing to team outside of AE farms.
Sorry, but I'm done waiting and soloing. I already purchased a lifetime subscription to Champions Online. Just a few more weeks, and I'll be able to play with others again.
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After seeing the replies, I can say this.
I know how to create teams. I do it when necessary. Last night no one wanted to be on my team. I asked politely and either I got no answer or 'no'. Well, no, that's not entirely accurate -- I got one guy who said yes, but he left almost immediately for an AE team.
The problem is not that I don't know how to start teams. It's that in Cap au Diable, on the Virtue Server at that time, there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute.
Is it that I should have gone back to Port Oakes and tried there?
Maybe it was just that time of night. (11 PM CST)
Or maybe something else.
After seeing the replies, I can say this.
I know how to create teams. I do it when necessary. Last night no one wanted to be on my team. I asked politely and either I got no answer or 'no'. Well, no, that's not entirely accurate -- I got one guy who said yes, but he left almost immediately for an AE team. The problem is not that I don't know how to start teams. It's that in Cap au Diable, on the Virtue Server at that time, there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute. Is it that I should have gone back to Port Oakes and tried there? Maybe it was just that time of night. (11 PM CST) Or maybe something else. |
Honestly, it could have been one of those things or all of those things. There isn't much you can do about it other than shrug it off and solo.
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Perception = reality. The perception is that when you attempt to build a pick up team for AE, or join one, most of the team tends to want to farm, and most farms are boss farms. True this is not always the case, and no one is disputing that. It is the norm and an overwhelming norm. Rare are those AE players, and teams that are not expecting or anticipating farms.
Many are the ones on the boards who will say "I have no problem getting on, or making teams" but I wonder if the circumstances are the same. Aside from friends and SG mates, building teams, especially red side, has become much more difficult for someone who wants to run regular content. But, if what you want to do is PL in AE... building teams is much much easier. People beg to get on teams there.
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While I agree with the whole "form your own team using all peoplefinding tools available"...
It's fricking impossible to get a team going Redside. Nobody is looking, nobody wants to join, nobody will join if asked. Add in that I don't want to have to do all the team leader crap EVERY time I play a villain, and it's downright painful. I'm finally to the point where I want to complain about this ****. I can find teams or form teams heroside- it's not the easiest, but at least it's possible. Redside? Yeah, it was tough enough before AE came around, and now it's basically "throw yourself at crappy AE things or play your villains solo" All the advice like "form your own team" is great and all, but it doesn't necessarily work. |
Let's all hope while you're selling people on the idea of joining you, the marketing team is working on selling people the idea of joining all of us.
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Then take some additional steps. Look for your server forum and post a message asking people to join you in running missions for Contact X or whatever you want to do that night. Include a time and place to meet and your global handle. If you want a team, you're going to have to work harder to sell people on why they should team with you instead of doing whatever else they wanted to do. Once you get one team, friend the people so you know who was open to teaming and who was fun to team with. Sure it's harder, but it's always been harder on the red side. If it wasn't the AE, it would be the fact that the game is 5 years old and there's been little marketing done to get new players to come onboard in the last 3 or more of those years.
Let's all hope while you're selling people on the idea of joining you, the marketing team is working on selling people the idea of joining all of us. |
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There are DOZENS of valuable posts here already, I only want to add...
that I form really fun 8-man teams EVERY SINGLE time I log on (the only exception being dbl-xp weekend - THAT was a chore).
I lead teams primarily because I don't trust anyone else (barring a select few) to do it as efficiently and enjoyably as I.
But LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, forming and running teams gets easier and easier every time you do it.
Just gotta jump in, make some mistakes, learn from those mistakes, and keep pluggin away.
When forming teams, a polite, literate Bind is MANDATORY, I use:
/bind x "tell $target, Level $level-ish team LFM - would you like to join us?"
I never begin forming a team until I have AT LEAST one of my own, level-appropriate missions ready-to-go (meaning I already have it selected as the active mish before I invite the first member).
I often try to run around and grab 2 or 3 good mish before forming my team, so we can steam-roller right along with mere seconds between exiting the finished mish and moving to the next.
Beyond FORMING a team, I've found that most players respond well to an actual LEADER, who leads by example and provides solid direction and commands WHEN APPROPRIATE.
When Leading I usually have the map open, constantly checking for SPLIT teams and turned-around stragglers. Stragglers get a TP, Split teams get a:
"REGROUP on **(tank, scrap, or Kheld meat shield)** pls".
Keep an eye out for inadvertant mega-aggro (more groups than intended) and let fly:
"Fall back & Regroup NOW pls" if it looks too dangerous (I usually wait until 2 heroes are down before issuing this request).
Leading can be a chore, but it can also be extremely rewarding. I get private Tells as they are leaving, thanking me for inviting them, from heroes on just about every team I form.
BOTTOM LINE: Like everything in life, PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT.
Start forming and leading teams... you may not be great at it, at first, but you will improve, and it will make the game more fun, in the long run, I promise.
"Hey! This isn't a farm!" <quit>
one of the remaining players: "you really should have specified this wasn't a farm"
Oh, now *I* have to specify it's NOT a farm?!?!?
Ridiculous.
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Tell that to the 5 out of 8 players who quit my team running a non-farm AE arc when we got inside....
"Hey! This isn't a farm!" <quit> one of the remaining players: "you really should have specified this wasn't a farm" Oh, now *I* have to specify it's NOT a farm?!?!? Ridiculous. |
I'm also curious as to what constitutes the "leadership crap" that no one wants to do? How hard is it to say "we are doing X", "head to X" and maybe once in a mission "follow the tank" or simply state some simple tactics. I like to PUG and have been on many a PUG where not much is said, even from the player with the star and we steam rolled missions. This game isn't very complicated.
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Majority of the time though, its just a case of set mission and go.
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Originally Posted by OP
there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute.
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People running missions will have different criteria.
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When in doubt, spam the Search window. Start with the LFT-flagged players first, then work your way down others who match your level range, throwing in sidekicks as the mentor situation allows. Be polite and informative - start with a greeting {hey, hi, hello, etc.} and follow through with what kind of missions you're running {arcs, radios etc} and what type of enemies you expect to encounter. Throw in the actual story arc premise if you feel like it.
Takes me about five minutes to assemble a team of three or four that way, with more becoming available as time passes and new players log on. A modicum of politeness and showing that you know what you're doing {or faking it convincingly} can go quite a long way.
AE XP. Nerf It. Hard.
I used to form teams almost every day, using /search, sending out waves of messages for people to join, etc. But now... now even that doesnt work. This new generation of players has no clue how to play, some of them have never left Atlas Park. It was depressing to get a 5 man team together at level 28ish the other day and have someone leave because there wasnt a /kin on the team. We had a /Dark and a /Cold. Apparently that wasnt enough for him. |
I feel the original poster's pain. I much prefer playing redside. I just find the ATs there much more enjoyable. However, good luck finding a team. Before the Mission Architect, finding teams was difficult, but doable. Now? Pfft. Before level 35, the only available teaming option is AE farms in Cap au Diable. After level 35, it's either ITF runs or AE farms in Cap au Diable.
"Well, make your own team!" I tried, repeatedly. I spent quite a few of my evenings just standing around, searching, and asking anyone that shows up in my search window within five levels of my character that isn't already teamed if they'd be interested in teaming. Most of the times, I'd only find three to five people in one night that fit that criteria, and only once was anyone interested in doing non-AE farm missions. People said that the newness of the Mission Architect would wear off after a while and I'd be able to find teams again. I've waited four months, and I still am not finding anyone willing to team outside of AE farms. Sorry, but I'm done waiting and soloing. I already purchased a lifetime subscription to Champions Online. Just a few more weeks, and I'll be able to play with others again. |
What's funny to me is, people play these games and verbally castigate people who prefer to play solo using that "it's a multiplayer game. You need to be social!". But it's often those same 'antisocial' types who seem to have zero trouble putting together teams whenever they feel like it. If your social network can't provide a team for you at your beck and call, that's a personal problem, I think.
After seeing the replies, I can say this.
I know how to create teams. I do it when necessary. Last night no one wanted to be on my team. I asked politely and either I got no answer or 'no'. Well, no, that's not entirely accurate -- I got one guy who said yes, but he left almost immediately for an AE team. The problem is not that I don't know how to start teams. It's that in Cap au Diable, on the Virtue Server at that time, there were no players willing to team with a measly 17th level brute. Is it that I should have gone back to Port Oakes and tried there? Maybe it was just that time of night. (11 PM CST) Or maybe something else. |
Many are the ones on the boards who will say "I have no problem getting on, or making teams" but I wonder if the circumstances are the same. Aside from friends and SG mates, building teams, especially red side, has become much more difficult for someone who wants to run regular content. But, if what you want to do is PL in AE... building teams is much much easier. People beg to get on teams there.
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Celestial_Lord, I've done the same thing in every MMO I've played since EverQuest in 99. I don't consider it 'work'. I consider it the best way to get the kind of team I want. It's the same as only recruiting groupmates from guilds of your raiding tier. If you're planning to run for 3 hours, you really don't want to invite the person who can only play uninterrupted for 30 minutes. Likewise, if I want a particular kind of team here, I put it together myself. I don't wait around expecting others to do it for me. Because of my experiences playing various powersets, I tend to look for those sets when I'm building a team (or even when I'm not). If I'm on my ice tanker, I look specifically for a force field defender because I know how people discriminate against that set ("OMG no healz?!?").
I think the reason some people are unable to find teams is because they're either not using the tools available to them (notes, friends list, search, etc) or....well, other people are using the tools against them.
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Great advice in this post. I'd team with this person!
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