Whips... coming soon to a dom near you?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-06 22:26 in Dominators
I can understand the cool factor in a whip set, but frankly i dont see potential for it. Were talking super heroes and villians, unless it is some kinda cool laser whip i dont picture it doing a ton of damage, and at that probably leathal damage (yuck). As far as chains go, i would much rather see either a dark control set, or a totally new but cooler option like a true water set. Not ice water. As far as an assualt set goes, now that they have said the blasters are getting dual pistols, i would like to see a hybrid of like dual pistols and Super strenght attacks made into a natural assualt set.
I guess there are just so many things i would rather see then whips and chains in the game that even the prospect of it being true is really underwhelming.
I'd rather have device control than chains, but any new control set would be fun.
What about this? Whip attacks has -RES secondary effect? And perhaps they have a combo system like dual blades where if you hit with a certain combo, your target 'submits'.
Please buff Ice Control.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
I can understand the cool factor in a whip set, but frankly i dont see potential for it. Were talking super heroes and villians...
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- Zorro
- Catwoman
- that scrawny vampire from Underworld in his fight with the big bad werewolf
Please buff Ice Control.
You sure he doesn't mean using the whip in the upgrade animation like how the thugs MM throws somthing to his minions the demon MM pulls out a whip and whips the demon to upgrade it?
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Iron Man's enemy Whiplash had a whip specially composed to break through his armor.
This is comic book combat. Whips do a metric ton of damage in comic book combat. And they are a comic book classic.
Whips and chains?
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That sounds more likely, and pretty cool, actually. Bonus points if it's a flame whip or something of the like. ^_^
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Originally Posted by CyWolf
You sure he doesn't mean using the whip in the upgrade animation like how the thugs MM throws somthing to his minions the demon MM pulls out a whip and whips the demon to upgrade it?
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Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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Check the post that the OP linked to. BaBs says that he is testing them and thinking of making them the upgrade animation as well. That implies that there will be some sort of whip based attack somewhere in the game (probably for the Demon MMs attacks).
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Originally Posted by CyWolf
You sure he doesn't mean using the whip in the upgrade animation like how the thugs MM throws somthing to his minions the demon MM pulls out a whip and whips the demon to upgrade it?
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Yes, this is what I was taking out of his twitter post. Flaming whip attack ftw.
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Originally Posted by Adeon_Hawkwood
Check the post that the OP linked to. BaBs says that he is testing them and thinking of making them the upgrade animation as well. That implies that there will be some sort of whip based attack somewhere in the game (probably for the Demon MMs attacks).
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Please buff Ice Control.
we will see, flexables would be quite interesting, most games avoid them because they have kind of wonky animations, but i really would like to see them as part of a natural assault set, maybe pistols/whips? we know nothing now, but i plan on making a demon mm(who turns good) and if whips come to doms in some form of assault set, im rolling one.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Iron Man's enemy Whiplash had a whip specially composed to break through his armor.
This is comic book combat. Whips do a metric ton of damage in comic book combat. And they are a comic book classic. Whips and chains? /SIGNED! |
And here's Backlash.
Please buff Ice Control.
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Omega Red.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
I can think of 3 real quick:
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
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OK but i think that whiplash and backlash are kinda making my point for me. They dont just "use" whips. The whips, even in the photos you show of them, are basicly a conduit for transferance of another effect. Be it an energy attack or whatever.
That now might be more fun to play, a whipe set that you can pick the effect for be it electricity, energy, fire etc. But just a strait leather whip ala catwoman is, or should, be laughed at when going up against just about any set in this game if designed with any kinda of real world effects to it. (and i know not real world its a game but still there is only so much i can suspend of my disbelief.)
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In the real world, whips are a very very potent weapon in the hands of an expert. In the hands of a superhero, I'd be disappointed if it weren't a high-powered set.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
OK but i think that whiplash and backlash are kinda making my point for me. They dont just "use" whips. The whips, even in the photos you show of them, are basicly a conduit for transferance of another effect. Be it an energy attack or whatever.
That now might be more fun to play, a whipe set that you can pick the effect for be it electricity, energy, fire etc. But just a strait leather whip ala catwoman is, or should, be laughed at when going up against just about any set in this game if designed with any kinda of real world effects to it. (and i know not real world its a game but still there is only so much i can suspend of my disbelief.) |
In the real world, whips are not in fact, 'very potent weapons,' unless you're using them as the baseline, in which case things like knives and guns become 'COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS' weapons.
Whips don't really do a hell of a lot to people, they need a lot of area to be useful, and the primary force of the thing is dispersed.
Just use a gun already.
Far as a whip set goes... Yes. The presence of a whip set in the game might make a whip set more likely.
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Ur hur. I'd like to see you versus a martial whip.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
In the real world, whips are not in fact, 'very potent weapons,' unless you're using them as the baseline, in which case things like knives and guns become 'COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS' weapons.
Whips don't really do a hell of a lot to people, they need a lot of area to be useful, and the primary force of the thing is dispersed. Just use a gun already. Far as a whip set goes... Yes. The presence of a whip set in the game might make a whip set more likely. |
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Why, so you can watch a trained combat expert kick the **** out of a skinny nerd? What I can do is immaterial. You merely have to point out the widespread use of the whip by police forces to reinforce your point, or the way most countries have stringent whip control laws, or to quote the statistic on yearly deaths in whip fights.
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Originally Posted by Ahmon
Ur hur. I'd like to see you versus a martial whip.
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I was not trying to infer that you would get ***-kicked. I was trying to infer that you would suffer many broken bones and most likely die outright, as would I. And no, the whip is not a "pick it up and use it" weapon. Difficulty of use does not make it any less deadly, however. In fact, it's probably one of the least user-friendly weapons.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Why, so you can watch a trained combat expert kick the **** out of a skinny nerd? What I can do is immaterial. You merely have to point out the widespread use of the whip by police forces to reinforce your point, or the way most countries have stringent whip control laws, or to quote the statistic on yearly deaths in whip fights.
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Wait, sorry, many broken bones and potential death isn't an ***-kicking where you come from?
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Wait wait, whips don't do a lot? What world do you come from? Whips don't just bruise. And they can also be used to immobilize your opponent as well as disarm them. A gun won't do you a lot of good if it's yanked out of your hands.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
In the real world, whips are not in fact, 'very potent weapons,' unless you're using them as the baseline, in which case things like knives and guns become 'COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS' weapons.
Whips don't really do a hell of a lot to people, they need a lot of area to be useful, and the primary force of the thing is dispersed. Just use a gun already. Far as a whip set goes... Yes. The presence of a whip set in the game might make a whip set more likely. |
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I'm sorry, I'm talking about actual combat.
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Originally Posted by Cawshun
Wait wait, whips don't do a lot? What world do you come from? Whips don't just bruise. And they can also be used to immobilize your opponent as well as disarm them. A gun won't do you a lot of good if it's yanked out of your hands.
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Why not do web-slinging instead & use the whip attack animations for the obligatory rubbish powerpool attack powers.
First Tier: Vertical Teleportation Power
First Tier: Whip Strike
Second Tier: Whip Travel / Web Slinging / Rope Swinging / etc.
Third Tier: Assemble the team (long animation to balance with TP)
Disarm them, stun them, then make them confess their horrible secrets...
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Much more importantly I really hope the wHip set is rendering akin to stone melee rather than a drawn weapon set. That alone would probably make it a pass or fail in my eyes along with making it way more fluid when used as an actual build (ie attacking and debuffing w/ the secondary)
It's been talked about before: whip assault and chain control for the ultimate dominat(o)rix. Apparently it was something discussed by the devs back during CoV Beta, but they didn't have the ability to make the animations right.
Well BaB's IS working on whip animations now in relation to the new Demon Summoning set for MMs coming with GR. His twitter page talks about making it part of the upgrade, so i'm imagining it's the MM attack (like arrows for ninjas, pistols for thugs, etc).
So what about doms? Who better to use a whip?
Please buff Ice Control.