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Have people never gone back and played old games on things like the PS1, gameboy, that sorta thing?
Graphics, when it relaly, really comes down to it, doesnt matter. A game is defined by the gameplay. We have a lot of games that come out these days that have 'cutting edge' graphics...but someone kinda forgot about the gameplay.
I still have to play CoX on minimum settings. I've never seen the game at full potential. And I still like it, because it plays well.
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I frequently play old games.
Dune 2/Dune 2000/Emperor: Battle for Dune
Command & Conquer (from Tib Sun onwards).
Total Annihilation (Both OTA and Spring).
XCOM: Terror From the Deep, Enemy Unknown & Apocalypse (all available on Steam 
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And many others.
I never owned a console so that comparison isn't for me... though the various Sonic games I have played and enjoyed are still great games (on emulator 
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And while I wouldn't go as far as to say that they are all better than modern games. They certainly aren't much worse either.
I play CoH on the recommended settings slider, but have three PCs of varying 'leet'ness and one won't handle anything over minimum and the other while better than that isn't hugely better.
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I recently found a good old arcade game at the local run-down pub (you know the one with the ball you guide by rolling an actual ball, can't remember the name for some reason)
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Marble Madness? Brilliant game... Have a version on my PDA which uses the accelerometer to control it. Huge fun!
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Marble Madness? Brilliant game... Have a version on my PDA which uses the accelerometer to control it. Huge fun!
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Indeed! Innovative, different! I've found that I thorougly enjoy several Android games just because the need to be...different! In that way I mess the good old days. But there's not much special about CoX that way: Click - power, click - power. It does what it does very well, mind you, but there's nothing special about it. And compared to other MMOs I consider it to be small when it comes to content. In light of that, any inventive news would be good and help sales.
The truth is, you don't buy a great, ugly looking, old game when there's a shiny new one out there. You may return to one, but you wouldn't buy it if you hadn't already played it. Although I found doom more fun than quake, I'd still rather buy a full-price new FPS for my PC than get a cheap, even free doom-clone for my android phone.
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..but on the other hand, whenever I try another "normal" game on my PS3 or PC I'm totally blown away by how good they look, how responsive they are and how immersive they are. I usually play them for hours and when I stop for the day(night) the endorfines are pumping, I'm happy.
I usually don't give them a second go, the next day I'm back to CoX, "grinding" because it makes me feel I'm "getting something" for my effort since it's an MMO. The thing is, I'm never happy after a CoX session anymore. I enjoy the time, chatting with the team on Skype, but even after a well run 43 minute SF/TF I feel... nothing..
...back again next evening with some friends I fire up the PS3 and have a go at even oldies like Burnout Paradise and I just love it instantly. Later on I fire up CoX again and it's the old pal, it's like going to work. You know what you're doing, you're good at it, it's a no brainer and feels necessary.
I guess I'm stabbing at more than just graphics with this post. On one hand I do agree, graphics isn't enough. On the other hand I'm also saying CoX isn't enough either and graphics does indeed matter. CoX looks good with everything on when you're not moving. ...and the engine needs an update anyway because it's not optimised for modern cards etc. WIth the basic stuff it has, it really, really shouldn't be that "laggy"
...also I really hate those terrible shadows and light f.x. clearly shown in Grandville plaza. I never go to Grandville anymore, unless really necessary. Can't stand it.
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It really sounds like your experiencing CoX burn out and I think GG is right you need a brake after all whats the point of playing if you no longer get any fun out of it.
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let's just say that, if CO is to my liking, COX is no more.
i got enough to pay for and currently i have to see how things go in the CCS, if the CCS of CO is even worse then COX then i stay with COX.
if it's way better, then i have to say bye bye COX.
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I was of the same mind about CoX vs CO.
I'll be sticking with CoX.
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I still enjoy it, or the company really...
...but I don't get that endorfine kick out of it!
(Point being, it's not all black or white, as the reverend Jackson said)
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I still enjoy it, or the company really...
...but I don't get that endorfine kick out of it!
(Point being, it's not all black or white, as the reverend Jackson said)
I need something new and shiny!
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This has happened to me about every 4-5 months. I get insanely bored of the actual game and while the community keeps me for a bit longer after a bit of this I disappear off to WoW (I used to fit in EVE as well but that game is even more boring in many aspects), where the process repeats. Normally giving me time to get a character to cap and do a bit of end game. Then I come back to CoH all refreshed and raring to go again.
It does nothing for your vet rewards, been playing since EU beta yet only just hit 30 months. 
Another thing I do to eliminate some of the tediousness is to dual/triple box, that is to play 2 or 3 accounts at the same time. Generally playing normal content rather than farming. Whatever GG says.
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XCOM: Terror From the Deep, Enemy Unknown & Apocalypse (all available on Steam ).
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Oooooo, it is??? Is it one of their free games or do you have to pay? SAnd if so, how much??? Loved those games!!!
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The truth is, you don't buy a great, ugly looking, old game when there's a shiny new one out there.
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Far from true! I have bough many "old" games in favour of some newer "all graphics and no gameplay" games. As some people have said, shiney graphics does not a good game make... yes, nice graphics can enhance a good game greatly, but if the other elements are lacking then it is just dire. some of my favourite all time games are on the SNES, final fantasy VI and chrono trigger to name but 2, both of which later got a re-release on the PSX, (And CT recently on the DS) and with the exception of a few nice looking cut scenes to please the 10 second attention span generation players, largely remained untouched. (CT did get an optional extra final dungeon on the DS, but nothing else)
I frequently trawl through the pre-owned sections of game and gamestation, as well as a few others for games i missed out on when they were first released, mainly because they appeal to me more then a lot of the new titles coming out. and about the only new game i have bought recently was fallout 3, which i didn't buy for the graphic, which, although nice, paled in comparison to the the open world, free roaming gamplay where decissions you make though the course of your adventure effect the game world around you.
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XCOM: Terror From the Deep, Enemy Unknown & Apocalypse (all available on Steam ).
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Oooooo, it is??? Is it one of their free games or do you have to pay? SAnd if so, how much??? Loved those games!!!
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No idea, it was a while ago, but its part of a pack. Also get Enforcer and Interceptor.
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Oooooo, it is??? Is it one of their free games or do you have to pay? SAnd if so, how much??? Loved those games!!!
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You can buy each game for about 5 euros, or the whole pack of all 5 games for 15 euros.
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You can buy each game for about 5 euros, or the whole pack of all 5 games for 15 euros.
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Whats that in real money?
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You can buy each game for about 5 euros, or the whole pack of all 5 games for 15 euros.
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Whats that in real money?
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About 20 bucks, I think.
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Far from true! I have bough many "old" games in favour of some newer "all graphics and no gameplay" games. As some people have said, shiney graphics does not a good game make... yes, nice graphics can enhance a good game greatly, but if the other elements are lacking then it is just dire. some of my favourite all time games are on the SNES, final fantasy VI and chrono trigger to name but 2, both of which later got a re-release on the PSX, (And CT recently on the DS) and with the exception of a few nice looking cut scenes to please the 10 second attention span generation players, largely remained untouched. (CT did get an optional extra final dungeon on the DS, but nothing else)
I frequently trawl through the pre-owned sections of game and gamestation, as well as a few others for games i missed out on when they were first released, mainly because they appeal to me more then a lot of the new titles coming out. and about the only new game i have bought recently was fallout 3, which i didn't buy for the graphic, which, although nice, paled in comparison to the the open world, free roaming gamplay where decissions you make though the course of your adventure effect the game world around you.
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Now that was taking a quote out of its context! ...rather big time!
...stuff like that makes me give up trying to get my point out and I go say silly stuff like: If you like doom, then play doom. 99.9% will buy the new shiny FPS, but you go ahead and play doom all alone! It's d0000m time again! ...or you could go play the MA once they've nerfed it back to useless with the other 3 ppl still using it.
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The truth is, you don't buy a great, ugly looking, old game when there's a shiny new one out there.
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Far from true! I have bough many "old" games in favour of some newer "all graphics and no gameplay" games. As some people have said, shiney graphics does not a good game make... yes, nice graphics can enhance a good game greatly, but if the other elements are lacking then it is just dire. some of my favourite all time games are on the SNES, final fantasy VI and chrono trigger to name but 2, both of which later got a re-release on the PSX, (And CT recently on the DS) and with the exception of a few nice looking cut scenes to please the 10 second attention span generation players, largely remained untouched. (CT did get an optional extra final dungeon on the DS, but nothing else)
I frequently trawl through the pre-owned sections of game and gamestation, as well as a few others for games i missed out on when they were first released, mainly because they appeal to me more then a lot of the new titles coming out. and about the only new game i have bought recently was fallout 3, which i didn't buy for the graphic, which, although nice, paled in comparison to the the open world, free roaming gamplay where decissions you make though the course of your adventure effect the game world around you.
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Now that was taking a quote out of its context! ...rather big time!
...stuff like that makes me give up trying to get my point out and I go say silly stuff like: If you like doom, then play doom. 99.9% will buy the new shiny FPS, but you go ahead and play doom all alone! It's d0000m time again! ...or you could go play the MA once they've nerfed it back to useless with the other 3 ppl still using it.
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No, i don't think i was taking it out of context... you were makking the point that people don't choose to buy old games they have never played over the newer big releases, and i am saying i have done so very often... being of a limited disposable income i often dont get to buy games when they are first released... there are still games that are 5+ years old that i would like to try out that i would rather spend my money on than a lot of releases from the last 3 months!
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£2.99 per game or £8.99 for all of them
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I was of the same mind about CoX vs CO.
I'll be sticking with CoX.
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With the way things are with the current run of MMOs you can never expect a new one to put in a performance close to one that has been around for 5 years (Maybe SWTOR will buck that trend but Bioware are special).
The key thing will be how the developers react after the maelstrom of lauch has died down. In the case of Funcom and AoC it took a whole year and a change of director before they got their butts in gear and started hauling the game towards it's potential. They have a ways to go yet but it does look promising.
If you're going to compare CO with CoX then do it with CoX when it was at the same publication age.
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Whats the point of doing that they'll never be at the same point CoX will always have X months/years on CO so its pointless comparison CoX at launch to CO at launch because that's never going to be the case. that's why new MMOs have to work all the harder to compete.
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Whats the point of doing that they'll never be at the same point CoX will always have X months/years on CO so its pointless comparison CoX at launch to CO at launch because that's never going to be the case. that's why new MMOs have to work all the harder to compete.
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Also somewhat pointless as the market has changed and lessons have been learnt since the pre-WoW days when CoH launched.
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meh, its only about expectations and comparsation.
Old days you never expected things in a game, the mass (sheeps eh) proclaim WoW as 'standard' so everyone expect every new MMO to have at least the same. I am _happy_ not every MMO is the same like WoW, if so i would've quit the MMO scene the very same moment.
But ironic enough, they think 'their' vision and their friends is leading for rest of the world. 99% of the time its their first MMO so they dont know jack. (not even to mention they hardly know any big MMO titles, let alone knowing what is released ourside their 'little world').
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I fail to see whats wrong with calling WoW the "standard" its clearly done something right or it wouldn't be the monster that it is.
CO is sufficiently similar to WoW in places that it's likely to appeal to the WoW player who wants something a bit more science fictiony to play. Whether it has enough appeal to take players from CoX is a different question.
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its clearly done something right or it wouldn't be the monster that it is.
[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, it's called a well supported and relentless marketing campaign covering TV, internet and printed media. Only EvE rivals them on the internet marketing and almost matches them in the printed media, nobody matches them by having a TV advert.
You can bet that these days the most common first sight of an MMO is WoW.
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People tend to prefer "We have more features than this game!" over "We have more features that this game had several years ago!"
People don't care about if the game is better than the competitor when it was released in the past. They care about if the game is better than the competitor now, so all comparisons between products will come with that because we aren't playing 2004/5 CoH. We're playing 2009 CoH. And it'll be facing 2009 CO.
Then take a break
The game will still be here for you - and it might even be shinier when you get back
A gmae is for fun - if you're not having fun, then you should try something else for a bit.
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