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Alvan

By Alvan,
Posted on: 2009-04-29 19:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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There was a time when leaving posts were banned. Presumably that time has passed along with any other semblance of customer service.

I was looking forward to the reactivation as I've missed the last couple of issues. I can safely say that I can understand peoples reaction in realtion to the development. So little has been done these past 2 issues its laughable. I'm currently playing Lord of The Rings Online and there is just so much more to do. City of Heroes is an old game and I feel that is now showing, its very one dimensional with bits and pieces bolted on. I'm not sure CO will be the right game for me, the play system looks too console oriented. My big hope is for The Old Republic. I can't wait for it, despite previous hopes being dash by WAR, Vanguard, AOC, Tabula Rasa etc. In the meantime I may pass time in Jumpgate Evolution

 

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It seems players leave due to being bored of 5 years of paragon, not because the games pants.

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Exactly. Furthermore loads of other long-term players have got bored of CoX before now and have left and returned (some loads of times) without any kind of forum drama, and they returned because the game is great. I think some of those who left over the past couple of days put too much on the devs to alleviate their boredom instead of taking a break, doing something different, and thereby fixing it themselves.

On a cheerier note, the US forums haven't suffered any of the nonsense we have over here, probably because their population is bigger and not so dominated by a handful of personalities.

Also, all the drama here has overshadowed some of the more interesting things that came out of Posi's Q&A thing. For example the dev team has grown from the 10-15 that kept the lights on since CoV up to 50. That's 50. 50. Five-zero. Ten times five.

And that's a shed-load of developers for a game that is apparently planning on trundling into the future with nothing new or exciting on the horizon.

 

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Furthermore loads of other long-term players have got bored of CoX before now and have left and returned (some loads of times) without any kind of forum drama, and they returned because the game is great.

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This needs to be stressed, I take breaks from CoX all the time, mostly playing different things in parellel with it, even when I left furious at the game and for the first and only time since august 2004 I was without a CoX account, I did not make a post or drama about it. When the situation was ractified and the offending problem was solved I came back without fanfare.

I am damn sure I am not unique in this.

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There was a time when leaving posts were banned. Presumably that time has passed along with any other semblance of customer service.

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That actually lasted all of 24 hours, and happened because some leavers at the time were really spitting vitriol at the game and the developers. Then it was pointed out by everyone here that actually the community is a big part of what makes this game great, so the ability to say goodbye is a good thing, and GR agreed, lifting that ban... within a day.

At the end of the day, if people want to say goodbye, let them. If you hate them, ignore them. If you think they're trying to make a sympathy call, that's your prerogative.

I wrote a blog post utterly slating the I15 announcement. There's a link to it in one of those other threads. The reason for my emotional response is the same as that from many of those who are leaving. I'm not planning on leaving any time soon, but I'm probably going to close one of my accounts.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to several statements from the devs a while back that offered general detail on what the next "couple of issues" (which were I13 and I14) were going to do. I don't remember the exact words, but the phrases used were something along the lines of "innovative new system in the first one, and a huge storyline issue for the second". Then I13 got split into I13 (small) and I14 (pretty damn huge, really). Which, if they stuck to that plan, meant that I15 was the "huge storyline issue"... and it hasn't been delivered. Not only has it not been delivered, but there has been no indication from the devs about why.

If Issue 15: Anniversary is so small because they just wanted an issue out for the anniversary of the game, and Issue 16 is due to follow swiftly, with the "big storyline" advancements, then I'd be utterly happy, and a lot of the people leaving would be, too.

As it is, it feels like the devs have lied. Soon™ doesn't cut it when soon™ never seems to arrive. Perhaps I'm a little more patient than some other players, because I don't plan on leaving, because I still enjoy the game, I still love playing it... but I would really like to see that "big storyline" issue arrive. And it hasn't arrived when the devs said it would. Maybe they don't owe us an explanation, but it would be nice to get one. That's all we wanted from Positron's 5th Anniversary announcement, really, but we didn't get it. Some of us are leaving, because the delays and lack of information have sucked some enjoyment out of the game, so there's less reason to stay. They might come back. They might not.

There's nothing depressing about saying goodbye and saying why - that's what I call constructive criticism, actually. It's just a little sad because some of the names that are saying it are from people I've been reading posts from for a hefty chunk of my life, and love 'em or hate 'em, they've made my time in CoH a little brighter and more fun, so I'm sad to see them go. That doesn't make me love the game any less, of course.

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Furthermore loads of other long-term players have got bored of CoX before now and have left and returned (some loads of times) without any kind of forum drama, and they returned because the game is great.

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This needs to be stressed, I take breaks from CoX all the time, mostly playing different things in parellel with it, even when I left furious at the game and for the first and only time since august 2004 I was without a CoX account, I did not make a post or drama about it. When the situation was ractified and the offending problem was solved I came back without fanfare.

I am damn sure I am not unique in this.

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I'm starting to wonder if I know what drama and fanfare is (and, more importantly, isn't); when I made my post I made an effort to be as uncontentious as possible, thanked the devs and friends, said I'd most likely be back and wished everyone continuing fun.

Because saying goodbye to friends is what you do when you're about to leave for a while.

From responses, direct and implied, it seems I'm an attention-seeking drama queen member of a self-important clique, who's gone off to stab effigies of the hated devs and wishes the game would fail.

Sometimes a "cheers and all the best" post is exactly what it seems - no hidden agenda.

 

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all the drama here

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Strangely enough, the only 'drama' has come from those trying to put down the people who felt they wanted to say a public goodbye to their friends here.

Personally I think the game still has a lot to offer new players. There's a lot of fun to be had seeing all those mobs for the first time and getting a decent travel power that lets you speed about faster than any other game I've come across. But...once you've seen it all and done it all dozens of times, what is there to look forward to when you log on?

People come and go all the time in games of this type. For every veteran that leaves, someone will replace them and some of those might last long enough to gain a bunch of vet badges then when they eventually decide to leave someone who's been here five minutes will have a go at them too. Some things never change...

 

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I agree, there has been rather a lot of unessassary bashing of people who have made great contributions to the comunity and are mearly posting to say goodbye because they where bored.

I really should do something about this signature.

 

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I agree, there has been rather a lot of unessassary bashing of people who have made great contributions to the comunity and are mearly posting to say goodbye because they where bored.

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Yup, and this bashing came from a very small, vindictive minority of this forum as well.

It was sad to see, but I shouldn't have expected anything less from them I suppose.

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I agree, there has been rather a lot of unessassary bashing of people who have made great contributions to the comunity and are mearly posting to say goodbye because they where bored.

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Yup, and this bashing came from a very small, vindictive minority of this forum as well.

It was sad to see, but I shouldn't have expected anything less from them I suppose.

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I was actually fully expecting it, and from the same people. Some people just can't resist being themselves.

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I agree, there has been rather a lot of unessassary bashing of people who have made great contributions to the comunity and are mearly posting to say goodbye because they where bored.

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Yup, and this bashing came from a very small, vindictive minority of this forum as well.

It was sad to see, but I shouldn't have expected anything less from them I suppose.

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Hope non of those bashings were my posts as that wasn't what i was intending. Was just making observations but i have a tendency to get side tracked and type massive walls of txt when a simple paragraph would do, so sorry if i came across as bashing i will miss the familiar faces i need some one to argue with after all

 

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I've read that on CO you can't have your own name, others can steal it an impersonate you or whatever. Which sucks, an means we will see loads of heroes called wonder women or whatever, wheres the indiviuality whats the point in the cjarachter customisation if your name can be copied :S

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See, I read it the other way around, in CO you CAN have your own name, despite someone having taken it 3 years ago and left the game, which is the situation here.

I've lost count of the number of times I've thought of a name that has made me enthusiastic to roll a new character, only to find the name was taken, so I couldn't use it. I've lost count of the number of characters I've made with names I wasn't really happy with, only for that feeling to grow until at level 10 I delete them.

I don't care if there are 50 players all called Sugar Rush in CO - heck, a supergroup full of characters with the same name might be fun, and has been done here using mis-spellings.

What I care about is if I come up with a name, a costume, a concept, I can flippin' well use the name I want to use.

Getting the name first does not make you any more creative than someone else who independently thought of the same name 2 minutes later.

Non-unique names FTW.

 

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COH is awesome it has faults, but i think CO will help people realise how great the game is. It seems players leave due to being bored of 5 years of paragon, not because the games pants.

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Ah young padawan, the faith of the newer playing invigorates the game. As someone new you would not have seen the promises, deceptions and lost hope. We the older ones have lived through the alterations and the nerfings. Yet still we stayed. We saw disappointment in what could have been, and yet we stayed. Now after many moons have passed we grow tired of the words that turn to ash in our ears, of the nirvana in the distance that never approaches, of the fallen promises that rot by the wayside. To you the game is fresh and young, we yearn for more and are offered reskins, and emotes.

I wish any new player well and hope that you get as much joy from CoX as I have, but at some point you too will tire and move away, this is the way of the MMO. The fact that we say goodbye in public is twofold, one so that our compatriots can see that we are leaving and maybe say goodbye, and also so that the developers can see that shiny baubles and gewgaws do not retention keep.

I once played star wars online, I could not see what was so bad about the game, I heard stories of the destruction wrought by developers that changed the game from a once proud state into the parody of itself that it was. I had never experienced the highs so the lows seemed like a high to me. This is merely the low for us that choose to depart.

 

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I'm starting to wonder if I know what drama and fanfare is (and, more importantly, isn't); when I made my post I made an effort to be as uncontentious as possible, thanked the devs and friends, said I'd most likely be back and wished everyone continuing fun.

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When a lot of players choose to leave at the same time, for the same reason and as a reaction to the same event, there's always going to be a dramatic impact. And, let's be honest, some (not all!) of those leaving posts certainly seemed measured for dramatic impact. Heat of the moment and all that, we've all done it I'm sure.

These forums have a tiny community and things that are said and done have an impact beyond their weight. How many times have we seen that happen over the years?

Anyway, to everyone who's leaving, good luck, have fun and all that stuff, and if you come back you'll probably find that, for all its faults, CoX is a great game all over again.

 

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And, let's be honest, some (not all!) of those leaving posts certainly seemed measured for dramatic impact.

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Pretty much. Drama was demanded either way, I'd rather have it happen on more representative terms than trying to make the Devs think the whole EU community is up in arms against them, which it quite clearly isn't.

Allow me to make the most pertinent point possible about this; it takes two to tango. I handed over the opportunity for drama, everyone ran with it. Feel free to blame me if it makes anyone feel better, but me and everyone else wading in on 'my side' simply couldn't have managed anything at all if we hadn't been given a load of ammo by the....heh, 'innocent victims'.

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And, let's be honest, some (not all!) of those leaving posts certainly seemed measured for dramatic impact.

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Pretty much. Drama was demanded either way, I'd rather have it happen on more representative terms than trying to make the Devs think the whole EU community is up in arms against them, which it quite clearly isn't.

Allow me to make the most pertinent point possible about this; it takes two to tango. I handed over the opportunity for drama, everyone ran with it. Feel free to blame me if it makes anyone feel better, but me and everyone else wading in on 'my side' simply couldn't have managed anything at all if we hadn't been given a load of ammo by the....heh, 'innocent victims'.

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I handed over the opportunity for drama, everyone ran with it.

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Exactly. YOU started all the drama. We just said bye bye.

@FloatingFatMan

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

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I handed over the opportunity for drama, everyone ran with it.

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Exactly. YOU started all the drama. We just said bye bye.

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Come on, FFM, your leaving post wasn't just saying goodbye was it? It was classic internet drama, right from the first few words.

Not that I don't understand why you posted that stuff, we've all posted things in the heat of the moment that we maybe wish we hadn't, but it's disengenuous to try and shift the blame and play the innocent.

Put your hand up to it or say nothing, but don't wriggle; people aren't that stupid and it makes you look bad.