Complain, moan, gripe...

Predatory_Sock · 04-08-2009 05:43 PM

Damn you NC! Damn you!

*reactivates account*

To the mission thingy!!

Golden Girl · 04-08-2009 07:02 PM

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If I'm honest, my renewed sub was depending on whether MA brought enough back to the game to tempt me back.

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Will you take our word for it that it's totally awesome?

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Predatory_Sock · 04-08-2009 07:37 PM

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Will you take our word for it that it's totally awesome?

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Too late GG... I'm back, for a month at least... and yes, it's pretty cool

Golden Girl · 04-08-2009 07:59 PM

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Will you take our word for it that it's totally awesome?

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Too late GG... I'm back, for a month at least... and yes, it's pretty cool

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Then welcome home

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LunaWisp · 04-09-2009 06:42 AM

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raspberry vodka

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OMG YUCK BLEUGH You have to wonder who was the first try that stuff...must have been blindfolded with a peg on his nose. I'll have a pint of Guinness please...

As far as the mission architect goes, I'll have visitors later today and they're staying for the weekend so I won't be on at all till next week. I'll take a look at some arcs that people have created and take a look at the MA itself next week before I decide whether it's worth trying to do one myself. Have no idea what it's capable of, didn't look at it on test...

Not sure about thre barring of trial accounts, they seem to be doing their best to encourage people to try out the game then blocking off as much of the content as they possibly can. I'm sure they have their reasons but it seems counter productive to me.

Athalwolf · 04-09-2009 09:41 AM

I tried it late last night making a new short 2 mission shiny defeat badge mission arc for Trolls and skulls for us poor abused villians to get them.

1. no badge count.
2. no ability to up the level of the npc's.

So, what the hell is the point as these missions do nothing?

Brutes: Doc O'Bay (yup, was me lvl2-48) Doc O'Bay Jr., Sihing, Belphanior, Mr. Lich & Joker's Wylde MMs, Rad'Man Corr, Lockup Dom, Suicide King Stalker, Lord Florentine DB/WP Brute, Tygercide Scrapper......Scrapper?? what the heck is he doing here???

Wilfred · 04-09-2009 09:49 AM

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So, what the hell is the point as these missions do nothing?

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Off the top of my head, I'd say original content, the chance to give something back, option to earn... god knows how many MA-related badges, another route to earning pool-select recipes, original storytelling and other mob types.

You can make the NPC's harder, if you like; you can't increase their level in the rest of the game, apart from adjusting your challenge settings, why on earth would the MA be any different?

The MA's benefit is mostly for those whose reward from the game comes from engaging storytelling, intelligent plotlines or imaginative enemy groups. If you get your kicks from the game in other ways, there's obviously going to be less there for you. But if the rest of the game's clientelle can look up from grubbing for XP for a while, they may just get back to why this game first captured them; for the fun, for the setting, for the plots. Rather than from the constant quest for more and better XP gain.

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Athalwolf · 04-09-2009 09:57 AM

I see that, boredom hits a lot in games like this, but there is a lot to do, I'm just saying for ppl like me who have found ways to break that boredom and thought MA would get me badges Villians are Forced to farm by the makers that are easy pick-ups for heroes this would be neat = but if nothing done in them "Counts" why bother?

Brutes: Doc O'Bay (yup, was me lvl2-48) Doc O'Bay Jr., Sihing, Belphanior, Mr. Lich & Joker's Wylde MMs, Rad'Man Corr, Lockup Dom, Suicide King Stalker, Lord Florentine DB/WP Brute, Tygercide Scrapper......Scrapper?? what the heck is he doing here???

Wilfred · 04-09-2009 10:00 AM

Issue 14 badges

I'd have thought these would keep you busy, for a while.

DON'T eat muffins while I'm developing you.

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Athalwolf · 04-09-2009 10:05 AM

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Issue 14 badges

I'd have thought these would keep you busy, for a while.

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NOPE!

After the Orobo FB to get badges thing so every lazy PLer could get the badges they Skipped and with all the mulitple "do x in FB mode with x limits for this badge" BS, I quit getting Every badge, now I just want a full defeat list, no empty spaces, no half tapes = everything must die and be accounted for!

Brutes: Doc O'Bay (yup, was me lvl2-48) Doc O'Bay Jr., Sihing, Belphanior, Mr. Lich & Joker's Wylde MMs, Rad'Man Corr, Lockup Dom, Suicide King Stalker, Lord Florentine DB/WP Brute, Tygercide Scrapper......Scrapper?? what the heck is he doing here???

Athalwolf · 04-09-2009 10:09 AM

PS: I want to kill EVERY GM Heroes got just sitting around in almost all their zones and they don't bother with also!

It's my pokey-mon: "Got to Kill them ALL"!

Brutes: Doc O'Bay (yup, was me lvl2-48) Doc O'Bay Jr., Sihing, Belphanior, Mr. Lich & Joker's Wylde MMs, Rad'Man Corr, Lockup Dom, Suicide King Stalker, Lord Florentine DB/WP Brute, Tygercide Scrapper......Scrapper?? what the heck is he doing here???

Days_ · 04-09-2009 10:20 AM

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After the Orobo FB to get badges thing so every lazy PLer could get the badges...[snip]

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You complain that Ouroborous made getting badges easier but all you want to use the MA for is to make getting badges easier?

I am actually glad that they made defeats in the MA not count towards the badge.

I will find a use for the MA but can fully understand why others may not find a satisfactory use for it.

Edit: Looking back at that comment it looks like I am trolling. I don't mean to be, I just found it vaguely amusing and should probaly have resisted commenting

Liz Bathory · 04-09-2009 10:21 AM

From day one there was said that the MA system was not and will never be an easy way to get defeat badges.

So... it is not.

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Athalwolf · 04-09-2009 10:34 AM

Flashback is and has been used for nothing but taking a shortcut to badges after being PL'd passed them, no mission or contact arcs needing to be made or done.
Those that Play the game get most on the way.
Villians Who have Always been on the short end of the stick with no access to defeat badges Without being Forced to farm low lvl paper missions should be able to get a 'count' for defeat As It Is Missions Involving these critters in them = if not then again it's the 'powers that be' Forcing farming on villians to get their badges.
And if you think that is Not the case look at the whole FB badge system = it is a forced farming on badgers = "now do this mission x number of times this way for this badge, now do x missions this way for this badge".
After that happen I quit trying to get every badge = why bother?, but I still want the defeats, why keep them as a Forced low lvl farming for villians?

Brutes: Doc O'Bay (yup, was me lvl2-48) Doc O'Bay Jr., Sihing, Belphanior, Mr. Lich & Joker's Wylde MMs, Rad'Man Corr, Lockup Dom, Suicide King Stalker, Lord Florentine DB/WP Brute, Tygercide Scrapper......Scrapper?? what the heck is he doing here???

FloatingFatMan · 04-09-2009 10:42 AM

Because... it's not? Just because people use Ourobouros for farming badges, doesn't meant that's what it's intended for. You lot are simply leveraging the system for something other than it's design purpose. Leave the tinfoil hat at home, please.

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Baby_Phoenix · 04-09-2009 10:57 AM

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Flashback is and has been used for nothing but taking a shortcut to badges after being PL'd passed them,

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I have to disagree here, when I first started playing many moons ago badges were a closed book to me and they only became of interest once I had reached 50 (before the days of PL) and so Ouroborous gave me a chance to go back and get the mission badges I never knew existed first time round.

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Ghost · 04-09-2009 11:01 AM

The MA is cannonly pitched as virtual entertainment.

Badges are for real enemy defeats.
Even if those defeats happen in the past.

MA = no defeat count

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EU_Damz · 04-09-2009 11:01 AM

Love the new badge names btw!

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Athalwolf · 04-09-2009 11:03 AM

Then G.P. your not who I'm talking about and my comment was not for those who FB because they missed a few on the way or never knew they were there = it's for those that Don't do real missioning themselves but go from breakout right to Grand or outbreak right to PI = then go FB to shore-up what they missed.

Brutes: Doc O'Bay (yup, was me lvl2-48) Doc O'Bay Jr., Sihing, Belphanior, Mr. Lich & Joker's Wylde MMs, Rad'Man Corr, Lockup Dom, Suicide King Stalker, Lord Florentine DB/WP Brute, Tygercide Scrapper......Scrapper?? what the heck is he doing here???

FloatingFatMan · 04-09-2009 11:04 AM

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Then G.P. your not who I'm talking about and my comment was not for those who FB because they missed a few on the way or never knew they were there = it's for those that Don't do real missioning themselves but go from breakout right to Grand or outbreak right to PI = then go FB to shore-up what they missed.

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Such people are the minority, and aren't using the system for what it's designed for.

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Ghost · 04-09-2009 11:15 AM

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Then G.P. your not who I'm talking about and my comment was not for those who FB because they missed a few on the way or never knew they were there = it's for those that Don't do real missioning themselves but go from breakout right to Grand or outbreak right to PI = then go FB to shore-up what they missed.

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That is of course the only way to play.
Either PL to 50, or grind away solo. (inaccurate and intentional twisting/exaggeration of your words) And the FlashBack system is only useful for badges. There are no nonbadge missions in there, of course, as that'd defeat the purpose.

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EU_Damz · 04-09-2009 11:20 AM

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There are no nonbadge missions in there, of course, as that'd defeat the purpose.

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Well technically . . . . . . . every mission gives you a badge if you set restrictions (i couldnt resist!!!! )

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Shadowe · 04-09-2009 11:54 AM

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Flashback is and has been used for nothing but taking a shortcut to badges after being PL'd passed them, no mission or contact arcs needing to be made or done.

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I would love to dispute this.

So I'm gonna.

That is the biggest load of tripe it's been my displeasure to read for an absolute age.

Let me see... what have I used Ouroboros for?

Flashback IC roleplaying using appropriate arcs springs to mind.

Flashbacking for the Ouroboros badges is another.

What else...

Oh, yeah, badgehunting for missed badges when I most assuredly did not PL past them. Well, unless you consider 7 months for my main badge toon to get to 50 an example of PLing.

So, to be only mildly picky with what you assert, there... your statement is false. It has been and in fact is used for purposes other than "taking a shortcut to badges after being PL'd passed[sic] them".

Simply put - I use Ouroboros regularly for purposes other than that which you claim. You are therefore wrong.

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Dr_MechanoEU · 04-09-2009 12:12 PM

There is, of course, another major thing the Flashback system is used for...

Merits.

For those people who don't have the time (you can take break up a Story arc over several days if needed) or are dedicated soloist the Flashback system is the only way to earn merits.

Some people have worked out a way where it's actually quicker to do flashback to earn all your merits than it is to do some of the more rewarding TFs (a better Merits Per Hour (MPH hehe) ratio than any of the more rewarding TF) if they have a very solocapable toon.

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Cynic · 04-09-2009 12:21 PM

Merits and being able to take a different path through the low levels and still get spellunker is all I've used Oro for. Oh and I did the content that came with it once two, except for that jade spider thingy, I need to get around to that

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They were appropriately appalled
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They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
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