COH2 predicted by Massively
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Alvan,
Posted on: 2008-12-27 20:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Lol tbh I wasn't looking at you Lion - everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to voice them here - regardless of whether other people agree disagree or whatever. Sadly if your opinion is not appreciated there are people who are too quick to jump on said person and tear them to shreds.
However, this being a forum these things will happen, it is just sad that it seems to be happening more and more often! 
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@FloatingFatMan
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I believe he does work in marketing.
But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes) 
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If the gaming industry reflected the film industry it would be RomCom Online that had 11.5 milion subscribers.
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This is precisely why i get criticized so much, Praf.
I dont know why this affects MMOs so much, although I have an inkling, but somehow the connection of profiling seems to escape them. A vast number of people who go the see a super hero film are the exact mirror profile for MMOs.
Therefore, this game should have double or treble its playbase.
All the game has to do is position these people to actually want to play it, in the first instance, then keep on playing it in the second.
That's it. Baboom.
I'm not sure how many people understand what mirror profiling is. Or how powerful it can be.
That's not an insult by the way. It's a specific "science." I dont expect you to necessarily understand that anymore than I understand the technicalities involved in your profession.
But the marketing people at this and other MMOs sure as hell should.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I believe he does work in marketing.
But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes)
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Ah, but does he work in marketing for the videogame industry? I don't think he does, and the techniques used in whatever industry he DOES do marketing for aren't going to work the same for the videogame industry. It's way too fluid.
@FloatingFatMan
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This is precisely why i get criticized so much, Praf.
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Well, no, you get criticised because you come across as an arrogant little know-it-all that never backs up his "factual" claims, but then retreats behind a martyr's shield when called out on your behaviour.
Oddly enough, it wasn't my dashing charisma or love of Team Fortress that got me in a spat with Ravenswing several months ago.
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When the subs rise and i'm critising, then you can tell me im ignorant, big boy.
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I have lol'ed in a suitably hearty fashion.
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Care to qualify that? It was pretty simple statement.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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We understand what mirroring is. My mum loves going to see blockbuster special effects action movies, but she has never read a comic book and won't go near a computer.
If mirroring worked, why aren't 95% of blockbuster movies about orcs?
Oh yeah, and where is Brain Training, the motion picture?
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Care to qualify that? It was pretty simple statement.
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You claim not to be getting aggressive, yet throw out terms like that, in a tone like yours.
As I said, lols ensued.
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I believe he does work in marketing.
But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes)
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Ah, but does he work in marketing for the videogame industry? I don't think he does, and the techniques used in whatever industry he DOES do marketing for aren't going to work the same for the videogame industry. It's way too fluid.
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I'm sure a competant person who worked in marketing would realise that...
I really should do something about this signature.
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I believe he does work in marketing.
But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes)
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Ah, but does he work in marketing for the videogame industry? I don't think he does, and the techniques used in whatever industry he DOES do marketing for aren't going to work the same for the videogame industry. It's way too fluid.
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I'm sure a competant person who worked in marketing would realise that...
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LOL! Thanks Praf... Now I have to wipe coffee off my monitor! 
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I believe he does work in marketing.
But I know a few people who work in in education who don't understand the first thing about it, but believe they are great experts... (you have probably been in a few of thier classes)
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Ah, but does he work in marketing for the videogame industry? I don't think he does, and the techniques used in whatever industry he DOES do marketing for aren't going to work the same for the videogame industry. It's way too fluid.
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Hmmmm. The basics apply to everything. It all comes down to the same thing. Selling your product. And within that the same type of rules apply pretty much for everything.
It's the naunces that are different.
My issue is that the basics are not in place here.
I'm not here to give a deep lesson in marketing. I'm saying that this game should be riding very high on an increasingly powerful wave of super hero attention.
What any product on earth needs is brand awareness.
Nothing anywhere can get better, second stream advertising or encouragement for its product than this game potentially gets from the movies, tv, comics, etc etc etc.
And that awareness doesnt cost this company a penny. All they have to do is scoop it up.
Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.
I can never get my point across here.
Shame cause if there were enough of us chanting from the same hym sheet, maybe something would be done. (although that survey does interest me.)
Finished.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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We understand what mirroring is. My mum loves going to see blockbuster special effects action movies, but she has never read a comic book and won't go near a computer.
If mirroring worked, why aren't 95% of blockbuster movies about orcs?
Oh yeah, and where is Brain Training, the motion picture?
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Huh? you think that's mirroring?
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
Arc 56763 Lord Anarchys heaven
2 mission arc. Bring friends cause Lord Anarchy means business...
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I dont know why this affects MMOs so much, although I have an inkling, but somehow the connection of profiling seems to escape them. A vast number of people who go the see a super hero film are the exact mirror profile for MMOs.
Therefore, this game should have double or treble its playbase.
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I think you go wrong there. The majority of players (i'm talking close to 50 million) are not orc&elf movie fans, or big eye cute little 2d character movie watching people.
Movies and games are totaly unrelated to eachother, lets not forget Matrix Online, Lotro, or any 'movie that tried to make a MMO' game. Major movies, [censored] MMO's. WoW succes was greatly due the insane succes on Warcraft itself, not on some movie or media of such. Succes of maple? For sure not anything media related. Though i still waiting for MapleStory: The Movie.
Perhaps you should make your posts more in a 'imho' way, rather then profiling it as 'facts'.
Nobody can predict the future, neither on the succes of this or CoX2. Perhaps NC even can 'destroy' their own games by making too much of a competition between them and forcing people to choose 1 of their games. They care little, both games will give them the cash.
I assume NC know what they are doing (recent record of NC Korea, several rewards on their games), i still believe there is a rather big chance NC will put CoX on a lower priority rather then fight CO/DCO with every power they have, they got other games that might get a way bigger succes then CoX ever will get. I gues they just wait and see on those 2 hero games, based on their succes they will counteract, be it the sequal of CoX or a new gran update in whatever (masteraccount perhaps?).
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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.
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So instead of maybe listening to other people, or trying to find an other way to explain your points you go and insult all forum members as not understanding you?
And that is even the forum members who never ever replied to a one of your posts?
Who on earth do you think you are?
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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.
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So instead of maybe listening to other people, or trying to find an other way to explain your points you go and insult all forum members as not understanding you?
And that is even the forum members who never ever replied to a one of your posts?
Who on earth do you think you are?
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This is what Lions does. He throws "facts" around in his arrogant fashion, gets more aggressive as people disagree with him, and then storms out of the conversation in a hissy fit, firing a broadside at the entire community in the process.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.
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Oh great, the 'im too smart for you retarts' reply.
So, to the man, what are you references? Played any MMO's apart from CoX and WoW? To play it on the man, i beat you 10 times and back on MMO's, playtime, ammounts and location.
Werent you the one saying AoC was the rox0r box0r WoW killer? (or i may mistaken you with someone else..)
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Movies and games are totaly unrelated to eachother, lets not forget Matrix Online, Lotro, or any 'movie that tried to make a MMO' game.
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It's not the movie thats the key. Its the profile of people watching it that counts.
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WoW succes was greatly due the insane succes on Warcraft itself, not on some movie or media of such. Succes of maple? For sure not anything media related. Though i still waiting for MapleStory: The Movie.
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I dont think Warcraft had 11 million players. I think it more likely got the Harry Potter phenonenom. Which is something you cant predict but you sure as heck can learn from.
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Perhaps you should make your posts more in a 'imho' way, rather then profiling it as 'facts'.
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This is the reason I replied one final time. Every post i do has a byeline saying this is only my opinion.
I cover every single point I make with that line on my sig and I originally put it there to ensure people knew it was only my opinion.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I dont think Warcraft had 11 million players.
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Um, actually...it did. Battle.net was, and still is, an absurdly popular function - it was the basis of a national sport in several countries for crying out loud. No other modern MMO can claim that kind of penetration; even Warhammer online "only" manages about 600k active subscriptions and that's had thirty years to build up a customer base.
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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.
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Oh great, the 'im too smart for you retarts' reply.
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That is not what I meant and I never said it either. I talk high level stuff (rightly or wrongly) and there is always a twerp (like that guy who originally knocked me) who cannot begin to comprehend what I'm saying, even if its wrong, There are the bandwagon merchants who jump on board.
That occurs when you have a cross section like this.
And is why, given that I talk from the hip, I can never really communicate here.
I was not insulting anyone. Except those lower denominator types that fall into those catagories. I guess I was insulting them.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done.
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That is not what I meant and I never said it either. I talk high level stuff (rightly or wrongly) and there is always a twerp (like that guy who originally knocked me) who cannot begin to comprehend what I'm saying, even if its wrong, There are the bandwagon merchants who jump on board.
That occurs when you have a cross section like this.
And is why, given that I talk from the hip, I can never really communicate here.
I was not insulting anyone. Except those lower denominator types that fall into those catagories.
I guess I was insulting them.
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I was not insulting anyone.
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and there is always a twerp (like that guy who originally knocked me)
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Except those lower denominator types that fall into those catagories.
I guess I was insulting them.
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I was not insulting anyone.
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I can never get my point across here.
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Yes, you would think someone who was such a great marketing expert would be able to sell thier ideas, wouldn't you...
I really should do something about this signature.
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Ok. you'll be pleased to know Im done. I keep forgetting I am talking to a forum that is completely across the board from age, to career or school, to mentality.
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So instead of maybe listening to other people, or trying to find an other way to explain your points you go and insult all forum members as not understanding you?
And that is even the forum members who never ever replied to a one of your posts?
Who on earth do you think you are?
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I dont think I'm being disagreed with. I think I'm being downright insulted. Go back a few posts starting with that Raven guy. (or girl)
I'll debate happily, in fact thats what i enjoy, and I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. None. Zip. Nada.
But, I'm not communicating around low level jerks like that. And as for FFM, telling me to go away rather than just counter or (heaven forbid) agree with my point, aint conducive to me wanting to actually debate with him. Or anyone that is insulting or tells me or anyone else to go away.
that's why I'm out of here.
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This is what Lions does. He throws "facts" around in his arrogant fashion, gets more aggressive as people disagree with him, and then storms out of the conversation in a hissy fit, firing a broadside at the entire community in the process.
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Can you please confirm that you dont think I was insulted by Raven, tainted Geek and yourself, to name but three? Did you not tell me to go away? Was that your definition of debate? I "hissy fit" low level forumers. My definition of low level? People who are insulting or rude to others without being directly insulted first.
Dont try throwing stones at me cause you got plenty of glass in the way.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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And sadly once again, what was once a respectable thread with some good content goes down the path of bickering and arguing. The worst thing is, I am not remotely surprised
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It's not Bickering, is Lionsbane baiting. The more you point out how wrong he is, the more wildy preposterous his rants become. Great fun, and entierly within message board rules.
I really should do something about this signature.