Why do Weapons = Fantasy
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Baby_Phoenix,
Posted on: 2008-12-08 09:35 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Green Lantern.
'Magic' ring.
'nuff said.
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Golden age green lanterns ring is magic yes, green lanter corps rings are crafted.
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Green Lantern.
'Magic' ring.
'nuff said.
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...and powers don't work on anything yellow. . That's Python fantasy.
Nuff said.
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That rule is long gone.
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Not for newbies or if you scare them.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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Green Lantern.
'Magic' ring.
'nuff said.
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Golden age green lanterns ring is magic yes, green lanter corps rings are crafted.
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And magic weapons aren't crafted?
Besides, you missed the point, it's a ring that does amazing things that rings normally can't do. It's a magic ring.
Also "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Not true! you an tell the difference by the interchagable words used to explain what it does.
Nanomachines = Polymorphing/Healing Spells
Energy Discharge = Magic Missile
Monomolecular Sword = Enchanted Sword
and so on 
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Also "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Ahem: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20081205
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I'l argue for the other side then 
look at the past few issues since the games change of hands, its all involved weapons , now a superhero doesnt always use weapons yet this is all we have seen except for the exception of willpower.
Plus as has been mentioned, 75% of the available options are fantasy ones. So most of the time, yes weapons do = fantasy in CoH but isnt the entire game fantasy anyway? :P its not everyday you see a man in lycra flying around before heading into a mob of gun wielding thugs.
Sigh real life is boring :P
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except for the exception of willpower
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And Pain Domination...
And actually, a shield isn't a weapon...
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Plus as has been mentioned, 75% of the available options are fantasy ones
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No, most of them are actually real-world weapons, nothing to do with any form of 'fantasy.'
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Sigh real life is boring
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It quite often sucks too 
Someone get me a doubly whiskey, with a whiskey chaser and a pint of whiskey to follow!
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Someone get me a doubly whiskey, with a whiskey chaser and a pint of whiskey to follow!
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*hunts down the Lagavulin*
No, wait, you asked for whiskey. I'm saving the Scotch Whisky for myself, then.
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Possibly worth pointing out here that for many many years Marvel owned the rights to Conan, and Roy Thomas & John Buscema did some wonderful adaptations of the orignal Robert E. Howard tales. Not to mention Krull and Red Sonja.
Many comicbook characters use weapons, and have origins in what we may consider to be "Sword & Sorcery" backgrounds (to differentiate between "sf/superhero fantasy" and "medieval/magic Tolkieneque" fantasy.
People have already mentioned the Asgardian plagiarism that is Marvel's Thor, which works as well as Jack Kirby's Eternals - a scientific based reworking of ancient Greek legend - and one of Marvel's best selling books currently is "The Incredible Herc" - Hercules, son of Zeus takes on the role of the Hulk, whilst the Avengers (the Mighty, not the New) feature a psychopathic Ares, God of War.
Blade's also a good example of how the mighty warrior feeds into a quasi-modern myth - he was a character created by Gene Colan and Marv Wolfman especially for the Tomb of Dracula series, with a different slant for a wider audience.
Bottom line? In comicbooks, you can take your pick, or cudgel, or longsword, or Uru Hammer, or Lightning Lance or... but whatever you do, just enjoy
Thelonious Monk
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Someone get me a doubly whiskey, with a whiskey chaser and a pint of whiskey to follow!
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*hunts down the Lagavulin*
No, wait, you asked for whiskey. I'm saving the Scotch Whisky for myself, then.
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Prefer Jura, tbh, and I barely ever drink anything these days.
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Talisker FTW!
There's only one thing better than Talisker... lots of Talisker
I did once cure a cold by consuming about a half a bottle of Jura. Yes, I spent the next day feeling very grim anyway, but the cold was toast!
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I did once cure a cold by consuming about a half a bottle of Jura. Yes, I spent the next day feeling very grim anyway, but the cold was toast!
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You sure you didn't just sleep for about a week, so the cold would've been gone anyway?
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I did once cure a cold by consuming about a half a bottle of Jura. Yes, I spent the next day feeling very grim anyway, but the cold was toast!
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You sure you didn't just sleep for about a week, so the cold would've been gone anyway?
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Sleep?! I was too busy throwing up to sleep!
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I guess my problem with it is they're all weapons that feel archaic. Sure people do still use clubs and shields in modern days and god knows swords turn up plenty enoguh in sci fi, but they're not common enough to justify the number of sets given to them!
In short, where the hell is our dual pistols set?
True, but then again who uses 'pistols' nowadays? Surely 'Dual AK-47' is more apt for the time period?
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Talisker FTW!
There's only one thing better than Talisker... lots of Talisker
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Now, I quite like Talisker, so I'm not going to knock that opinion, NM, but it's flavour is a little too strong for it to meet my feelings of "the best" when it comes to Scotch. I personally find that Lagavulin has just the right touch of peatiness to it to stimulate my tastebuds, and isn't at all bitter going down. Of course, the stuff is a pain to get your hands on. Damnit.
And before anyone thinks we've drifted too far off-topic: Broken bottles are an excellent medieval and/or modern weapon, but anyone who uses a bottle of Scotch before the contents have been drunk needs to have their head seen to!
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; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
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I guess my problem with it is they're all weapons that feel archaic. Sure people do still use clubs and shields in modern days and god knows swords turn up plenty enoguh in sci fi, but they're not common enough to justify the number of sets given to them!
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Ah, but as someone, somewhere, pointed out, there is the issue that, really, sword and mace and axe could have been one set, if you could customise the weapon model (which you now can) and the damage type (which you can't, currently). They could be two sets now, one for Lethal, one for Smashing. (Well, it doesn't quite work due to the different animations for katana, but it's the thought that counts).
If the power system were less hard wired, you'd see a lot more sets in the 'not-weapon' category.
Also, whenever people do this comparison, they tend to look only at Scrappers/Tanks/Brutes/Stalkers and totally ignore all the other ATs, who frankly have very few weapon-based powers. What is there? AR and Dev on Blasters, Archery and Trick Arrow, Masterminds tend to be kind of gadget-based on their secondary...
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In short, where the hell is our dual pistols set?
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I think the problem with 'dual pistols' is that it doesn't fit the AT system.
Pistols are ranged, so they aren't scrapper weapons.
Pistols have short range and if you aren't treating them as a melee weapon, they aren't really different enough from AR.
Would be my guess.
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I guess my problem with it is they're all weapons that feel archaic. Sure people do still use clubs and shields in modern days and god knows swords turn up plenty enoguh in sci fi, but they're not common enough to justify the number of sets given to them!
In short, where the hell is our dual pistols set?
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Really? From earlier in the thread... not that many really.
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As a side note CoH has 74 power sets of which 18 are weapon based (that's counting traps, devices and AR) so less than a third of the coh power sets actually use weapons.
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I think that most people would like to see more modern versions of the weapons. They have done that with the mace. You can use a lead pipe a nightsick or even a shovel. The axes got some modern equivalent as well. And lets be honest, a katana is still considered a modern weapon thanks to numerous movies. Dual blades got modern choices like fencing blades. The only category that seems to be feeling true fanatasy is the broadsword. Perhaps they could give us more modern but not high tech choices there. Things like machettes or wickedly long knifes.
Personally I would love to see the chainsaw
chainsaw should be a temp for the next round of zombie invasions.
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I guess my problem with it is they're all weapons that feel archaic. Sure people do still use clubs and shields in modern days and god knows swords turn up plenty enoguh in sci fi, but they're not common enough to justify the number of sets given to them!
In short, where the hell is our dual pistols set?
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A lot of old style weapons are still pretty neutral until you see what the avatar using them looks like.
A sword is just a strip of sharp metal, and can be used by a robot or someone in a tunic and armor - it's just that most people think that the tunic and armor look for a sword user is more suitable than the robot look.
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City of Heroes comics and artwork
Character 1: Dressed up as a medieval knight using the standard broadsword option.
Character 2: Dressed up as a futuristic warrior with winged boots and a time traveller feel to him, also uses standard broadsword option.
Character 3: A fully metalic person who got transformed into some super being thanks to an experiment gone wrong, was able to "morth" the metal of his body into the standard broadsword option too.
Are they all fantasy based? Are they all the same?
Customisation is what sells this game Whatever concept you can think of in this game that you want your character to be, its more than likely possible.
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My complaint isn't that it's too Fantasy, it's not.
It's that other than Assault Rifle, they're all melee weapons! Since when did we use them anymore with any regularity? Where's my oversized, compensating for something, Rocket Pods / Rocket Launcher / Harkonnen set?
Or my ray gun / crazy tech device set? It freezes, it heats, it spews acid, it reverses gravity and dislocates them from reality! Truly a weapon of kings.
Or a throwing weapons set? Bolas, knives, boomerangs, nets, grenades, shurikens, javelins and chakram hooo!
And if you say pistols are too short range for the setting, it's worth pointing out that the normal blasts have a range of 80ft which is well within effective range and this isn't even counting in the fact that gun slinging heroes are likely using guns that are better than average.
If we're getting realistic then it's more that rifles and bows have a ridiculously short range in the game!
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So basically, peeps have grown up learning to associate melee weapons and ranged weapons that don't go BANG! with King Arthur and Lord of the Rings, et al, right? At its most basic of explanations, of course.
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some people have
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