Shield Defense Power Descriptions

British_Beetle · 10-09-2008 11:13 AM

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Shield charge has the potential to become my new favourite power. RAGING BULLRING!!! *plows through shoppers*

Carnifax · 10-09-2008 11:25 AM

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Against all odds
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Wow? 25% bonus dmg per mob? We're talking 250% raw bonus damage to every single attack with 10 mobs. Add buildup and enchancements and we're going 450%ish?

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The first enemy gives you 25%, the others give you less. According to the description anyway.

SinergyX_EU · 10-09-2008 11:32 AM

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The second toggle has Ranged AND AoE.

And did anyone SERIOUSLY expect a SHIELD set to have a self heal or regeneration in it? Seriously?

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Why not? Captain America, Mr Shield himself also have an increased health regen. Wonder Woman i can recall having a shield once in a while has powers close to Hercules himself, not some stupid defense.

Added, if you prefer more realistic, whielding a shield in such maner requires great training (as seen for example on 300), thus increased natural strength would be logical.

Gamewise, take a look at Paladin (WoW), Paragon (GW), Guardian (AoC), and sortlike.

@above, ah i misread the power then

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Evangel · 10-09-2008 11:33 AM

dreams of a phalanx of shield tankers advancing through RWZ are drifting through my mind. enough auras and you just need to sit there until everythign is dead!

SinergyX_EU · 10-09-2008 11:52 AM

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dreams of a phalanx of shield tankers advancing through RWZ are drifting through my mind. enough auras and you just need to sit there until everythign is dead!

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Indeed, sounds like the VEAT full teams, having softcap defence due 1 power alone. But it has no active damage aura, so you need to wack stuff

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Days_ · 10-09-2008 12:32 PM

Ooh, anyone care to start a shield super team? Would be so awesome, and I for one would be desperate to take part in it!

Sapphic_Neko · 10-09-2008 12:39 PM

Looks cool. will deffo make a shield/sword scrapper. now... just to figure out a nice cossie and name and story!

poptart_fairy1 · 10-09-2008 12:51 PM

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Why not? Captain America, Mr Shield himself also have an increased health regen. Wonder Woman i can recall having a shield once in a while has powers close to Hercules himself, not some stupid defense.

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If you want to get technical, neither of those people you mentioned have their regeneration bolstered by a shield.

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Added, if you prefer more realistic, whielding a shield in such maner requires great training (as seen for example on 300), thus increased natural strength would be logical.

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You can keep running without ever taking a break, leap over vehicles in a single bound, get into extended fights with super humans and still have enough left in you to /em dance afterwards. Let's see the Spartans do that.

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Gamewise, take a look at Paladin (WoW), Paragon (GW), Guardian (AoC), and sortlike.

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None of those classes regenerated because of their shield. They regenerated because they had other abilities.

Coin · 10-09-2008 01:19 PM

Are people really arguing realism in a game about superheroes??

Seriously, surely it's up to the player to come up with the reason why the shield helps regenerate helth, I could come up with numerous off the top of my head, (magic, technologcal etc) so it's not beyond the realms of possibilty.....within the game itself!!

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SinergyX_EU · 10-09-2008 01:37 PM

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None of those classes regenerated because of their shield. They regenerated because they had other abilities.

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Such line, i never seen a katana or broadsword give the whielder a super damage boost, neither a gun spray unlimited bullets.

Then, along your line of view, several powers of this set have NOTHING to do with a shield: Phalanx, active, AaO (except the deflect, but inv/wp/ice does the same) and offcourse One with the shield, wich is basicly the WP/Inv combo tier9.

Even, remove the shield and you got a VEAT/Inv/SR set that can gain the deflection by its armor.

As i said on DB, if i want to play a proper set, i play another game.

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New Dawn · 10-09-2008 01:55 PM

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Grant Cover: You are able to use your sheild to defend nearby allies. Any teammates who remain nearby gain a bonus to their defense. (NOTE: The defense bonus from this power is only applied to nearby team mates, but not yourself.) Recharge slow

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I like this, but find it odd that it only applies to teammates, do they think it would be overpowered otherwise? It doesn't seem to make logical sense unless you turn around with your back to the enemy hold the shield in front of your friends...

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That really is based on making a Phalanx where you protect the guy to the left and clearly behind. Teaming up with other shield players would be playing as intended. I would have to give in and play with other Shield Tankers as a Tanker but I would prefer Scrappers. These Scrappers are extra team friendly so one such "anti scrapper" who keeps harping on that scrappers are useless in teams might make one now.

On a side note:

The shield set isn't totally about protection from the shield itself unless one wants it to be. Your character is entitled to superhuman qualities too. Active Defense, Against all Odds and True Grit can have nothing to do with the shield whilst One with the Shield is part shield and part your character hence being one with so I disagree on having to think that the shield is providing +regen and +end recov.

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poptart_fairy1 · 10-09-2008 02:01 PM

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Such line, i never seen a katana or broadsword give the whielder a super damage boost, neither a gun spray unlimited bullets.

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Lovely strawman you have there. Nobody was defending those powersets. You, however, were bringing up irrelevant comparisons.

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Then, along your line of view, several powers of this set have NOTHING to do with a shield: Phalanx, active, AaO (except the deflect, but inv/wp/ice does the same) and offcourse One with the shield, wich is basicly the WP/Inv combo tier9.

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I haven't given my view. I was merely pointing out the horrific flaws in your own.

SinergyX_EU · 10-09-2008 02:46 PM

I gues you just failed reading the replies then.

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GhostRaptor_EU · 10-09-2008 02:51 PM

*cough* Let's not get personal, people.

JawDropper_EU · 10-09-2008 02:58 PM

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*cough* Let's not get personal, people.

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Golden Girl · 10-09-2008 03:05 PM

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Sheild Charge: You can throw all of your might behind your sheild and charge through ranks of foes in the blink of an eye. Using this power allows you to teleport to a selected area to deal significant smashing damage to all foes in a long cone in front of you, most foes that are struck by your sheild charge will be knocked down. Damage: Superior Recharge: Very Long

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I so hope we see our character "charge" through the enemies when doing this

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Best way to deal with the next Rikti invasion - get all the shield Heroes to line up and then charge

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poptart_fairy1 · 10-09-2008 03:18 PM

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I gues you just failed reading the replies then.

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Nope, I read them perfectly - which is why I find them so flawed.

SinergyX_EU · 10-09-2008 03:22 PM

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Nope, I read them perfectly - which is why I find them so flawed.

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*tap on the forehead.*
Good for you.

Regarding AV's, how did Ice for example handle versus Recluse or any high hitting mob? Other sets have rather high (if not capped) SL resist, would help big time on incomming damage while tanking 1-2 AV's.

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poptart_fairy1 · 10-09-2008 03:26 PM

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Good for you.

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I'm glad we agree.

Claiming Shields should have high levels of regeneration because comic heroes had it - from sources that weren't a shield at that - is inherently flawed.

EU_Damz · 10-09-2008 06:59 PM

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Best way to deal with the next Rikti invasion - get all the shield Heroes to line up and then charge

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Just read on the US boards that if castle cant sort out the damage problem of of the shield charge attack it might get changed hope not, thats the one power thats sold the set to me.

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Evils · 10-09-2008 09:16 PM

Regarding Shield Charge, I'm already imagining clever keybinds to alert fellow shielders to prepare for said charge.

/bind <keystroke> "local Ready your shields! Charge them on my command!$$powexec_name Shield Charge"

/bind <keystroke2> local Chaaarge!!

*cue clicking of target-area*

Now imagine a superteam, plus a few more superteams, all with shields. Gods... the imagery... ;drools

Vox_Doom · 10-09-2008 11:33 PM

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Sheild Charge: You can throw all of your might behind your sheild and charge through ranks of foes in the blink of an eye. Using this power allows you to teleport to a selected area to deal significant smashing damage to all foes in a long cone in front of you, most foes that are struck by your sheild charge will be knocked down. Damage: Superior Recharge: Very Long

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I so hope we see our character "charge" through the enemies when doing this

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Best way to deal with the next Rikti invasion - get all the shield Heroes to line up and then charge

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Oh god I want that now.

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New Dawn · 10-09-2008 11:59 PM

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Nope, I read them perfectly - which is why I find them so flawed.

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*tap on the forehead.*
Good for you.

Regarding AV's, how did Ice for example handle versus Recluse or any high hitting mob? Other sets have rather high (if not capped) SL resist, would help big time on incomming damage while tanking 1-2 AV's.

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You could of been shown that.

Edit: Just on an extra note, Fight Pool is something I would consider on this as, unless people can handle the damage on me I won't like anyone near me. The buff to and from teams is going to be of situational benefit and although I might possibly want team mates offering me extra defense from nearness I'd sooner be able to get the equivalent without too..tff dual builds aye. In fact at 8ft radius why bother with Phalanx fighting? That should be 7% def for 1 target XD

I have been trying to make an Unofficial one on Mids but some unenhandled exception thing, I don't know what, is coming from somewhere abouts Grant Cover* on me.

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PRAF68_EU · 10-10-2008 05:42 AM

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Best way to deal with the next Rikti invasion - get all the shield Heroes to line up and then charge

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Just read on the US boards that if castle cant sort out the damage problem of of the shield charge attack it might get changed hope not, thats the one power thats sold the set to me.

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Yeah, it's bound to be a burger to get the timing right, with having to fire the cone knockdown, then move the player to the target location, and have the knockdown effect co-inside with the movement. All this with variable amounts of latency.

Another quirk that might be causing problems with this, is you could charge 2 feet, and still knock down someone 60 feet away.

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SinergyX_EU · 10-10-2008 06:07 AM

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Now imagine a superteam, plus a few more superteams, all with shields. Gods... the imagery... ;drools

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I forsee alot of new shouts:

-at my command, unleash hell!
-Tonight we dine in hell!
-THIS IS SPARTA!

(or any random taken from the GW shouts - its just a fleshwound, never surrender, incomming, dodge this)

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