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Posted on: 2008-07-22 21:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Awww, fantasy creatures getting homesick? - theres no place like Gnome. 
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I thought Issue 12 taught us there was no place like Rome?
@Golden Girl
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Thats a good point, but we are talking about the mythology here. It may have a bearing but it has no place in a modern setting. It should have remained a myth.
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But superheroes and time travel go together - it's a major source of plots and retcons 
I'm hoping for a lot more non-modern zones we can travel to - like the Middle Ages or ancient Egyptian - stuff like the pyramids are just asking for a visit - it could be in a zone with the sphinx, and a temple and some of those tombs cut into the rocks.
Or a medieval place with a castle and a town and a forest to explore.
If a villain could time travel, then it's only logical that he would try and alter history to help him in the present - it's what villains do 
The game is a sci-fi fantasy, where mythological people and creatures exist alongside modern and futuristic people and creatures, and as time travel is a well-established part of the game, it makes sense to visit periods where there is a lot of strong mythology, like the Greeks and Romans, or Egypt or medieval times.
And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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As a history boy I'd love that!!!! And the two do go together Marvel has time travelled plenty and there's plenty in history to support some sort of evilness happening...even go back to the hayday of nemesis!!!
@SkullFester
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still too young. would have to raise the age to 18 or 21.
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Thats a good point, but we are talking about the mythology here. It may have a bearing but it has no place in a modern setting. It should have remained a myth.
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But superheroes and time travel go together - it's a major source of plots and retcons
I'm hoping for a lot more non-modern zones we can travel to - like the Middle Ages or ancient Egyptian - stuff like the pyramids are just asking for a visit - it could be in a zone with the sphinx, and a temple and some of those tombs cut into the rocks.
Or a medieval place with a castle and a town and a forest to explore.
If a villain could time travel, then it's only logical that he would try and alter history to help him in the present - it's what villains do
The game is a sci-fi fantasy, where mythological people and creatures exist alongside modern and futuristic people and creatures, and as time travel is a well-established part of the game, it makes sense to visit periods where there is a lot of strong mythology, like the Greeks and Romans, or Egypt or medieval times.
And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Over the many years and now several hundred comics that I have collect I can not once re-call a contemporary story line that ever had time travel with in it. Please if you could point one out I would appreciate it.
Further one of the main attractions of this game is that it is firmly entrenched in science fiction NOT fantasy. The very thought of blurring these lines sends shivers through me. These super-cala-fragalistic fatasmagorical flights of fantasy dilute the core of this game and should be left well alone
I thank you!!
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still too young. would have to raise the age to 18 or 21.
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It's only a matter of time before they get that cigar removed from the costume creator, have all the casinoes and bars in St Martial knocked down to make way for churches, and replace all of AR's customisable rifles with walkie-talkies
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And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Awww, fantasy creatures getting homesick? - theres no place like Gnome.
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I thought Issue 12 taught us there was no place like Rome?
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Actually Golden Girl, If you recall your history you'd remember It goes way back to Issue 2 when the Circle of Thorns taught us that in fact; "Theres no place like Tome"
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Thats a good point, but we are talking about the mythology here. It may have a bearing but it has no place in a modern setting. It should have remained a myth.
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But superheroes and time travel go together - it's a major source of plots and retcons
I'm hoping for a lot more non-modern zones we can travel to - like the Middle Ages or ancient Egyptian - stuff like the pyramids are just asking for a visit - it could be in a zone with the sphinx, and a temple and some of those tombs cut into the rocks.
Or a medieval place with a castle and a town and a forest to explore.
If a villain could time travel, then it's only logical that he would try and alter history to help him in the present - it's what villains do
The game is a sci-fi fantasy, where mythological people and creatures exist alongside modern and futuristic people and creatures, and as time travel is a well-established part of the game, it makes sense to visit periods where there is a lot of strong mythology, like the Greeks and Romans, or Egypt or medieval times.
And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Over the many years and now several hundred comics that I have collect I can not once re-call a contemporary story line that ever had time travel with in it. Please if you could point one out I would appreciate it.
Further one of the main attractions of this game is that it is firmly entrenched in science fiction NOT fantasy. The very thought of blurring these lines sends shivers through me. These super-cala-fragalistic fatasmagorical flights of fantasy dilute the core of this game and should be left well alone
I thank you!!
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I disagree, one of the main pulls to this game for me was the fact you could have both fantasy and sci-fi aspects to the game...my alts show this considering I've got a robot, minotaur, orc, elf, vampire, werewolf, robotic suit and contemporary characters!
As for time travelling storylines, the Avengers have done a few...I'd go dig out them out and quote the exact issues but i can't be bothered
@SkullFester
I'm not changing this signature until I'm proclaimed 'King of the World'.
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And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Awww, fantasy creatures getting homesick? - theres no place like Gnome.
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I thought Issue 12 taught us there was no place like Rome?
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Actually Golden Girl, If you recall your history you'd remember It goes way back to Issue 2 when the Circle of Thorns taught us that in fact; "Theres no place like Tome"
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Argh! too many puns!!
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I thought Issue 12 taught us there was no place like Rome?
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Actually Golden Girl, If you recall your history you'd remember It goes way back to Issue 2 when the Circle of Thorns taught us that in fact; "Theres no place like Tome"
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Now you're really stretching it - don't even try and suggest that Issue 4 taught us "there's no place like the Dome"
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Thats a good point, but we are talking about the mythology here. It may have a bearing but it has no place in a modern setting. It should have remained a myth.
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But superheroes and time travel go together - it's a major source of plots and retcons
I'm hoping for a lot more non-modern zones we can travel to - like the Middle Ages or ancient Egyptian - stuff like the pyramids are just asking for a visit - it could be in a zone with the sphinx, and a temple and some of those tombs cut into the rocks.
Or a medieval place with a castle and a town and a forest to explore.
If a villain could time travel, then it's only logical that he would try and alter history to help him in the present - it's what villains do
The game is a sci-fi fantasy, where mythological people and creatures exist alongside modern and futuristic people and creatures, and as time travel is a well-established part of the game, it makes sense to visit periods where there is a lot of strong mythology, like the Greeks and Romans, or Egypt or medieval times.
And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Over the many years and now several hundred comics that I have collect I can not once re-call a contemporary story line that ever had time travel with in it.
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CoH is based a lot of the older style Golden Age and Silver Age comics - that's why we have so much of the mythology and the campness
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Further one of the main attractions of this game is that it is firmly entrenched in science fiction NOT fantasy.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Awww, fantasy creatures getting homesick? - theres no place like Gnome.
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I thought Issue 12 taught us there was no place like Rome?
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Actually Golden Girl, If you recall your history you'd remember It goes way back to Issue 2 when the Circle of Thorns taught us that in fact; "Theres no place like Tome"
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PvP taught us there was no place like drone
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
If it hadn't alread been used I would have said Croatoa and Red Caps told us there's no place like Gnome.
*goes and sulks in the corner*
@SkullFester
I'm not changing this signature until I'm proclaimed 'King of the World'.
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I thought Issue 12 taught us there was no place like Rome?
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Actually Golden Girl, If you recall your history you'd remember It goes way back to Issue 2 when the Circle of Thorns taught us that in fact; "Theres no place like Tome"
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Now you're really stretching it - don't even try and suggest that Issue 4 taught us "there's no place like the Dome"
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Dagnammit Valkryst you stole my I4 pun! 
time-travels back and retcons original pun to fit with next Issue
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forest of dread) - No place like Gnome.
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Over the many years and now several hundred comics that I have collect I can not once re-call a contemporary story line that ever had time travel with in it. Please if you could point one out I would appreciate it.
Further one of the main attractions of this game is that it is firmly entrenched in science fiction NOT fantasy. The very thought of blurring these lines sends shivers through me. These super-cala-fragalistic fatasmagorical flights of fantasy dilute the core of this game and should be left well alone
I thank you!!
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Excuse me, what comic-books have you been reading?
To name a few examples of time travel in super-hero comic-books (the first ones taht pass through my head):
- X-Men's "Days of the Future past" one of the greatest sagas in Marvel mutant-verse. And it's repercussions are still rippling now several years later...
- Dr. Doom (Fantastic Four archnemesis) is well known to have a time travel machine he has used on several occasions to visit the greatest mystics of different times to learn the dark arts... and also for some other evil-deeds of course.
- The fact that Captain Marvel is nowadays alive in Marvel Universe is in itself a form of (quite interesting) time paradox.
My meaning: time travel in superhero comic-books is quite usual. I expect to see more of it in CoX, please.
On the other hand, the line that distinguishes science-fiction and Fantasy is very thin and, on occasions, subjective. I say without shadow of doubt that the original Star Wars saga is more of a typical Fantasy story that a science-fiction one.
Burn me as an heretic, but it is.
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Dagnammit Valkryst you stole my I4 pun!
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Speaking of time-travel I just went forward a couple of years and found that all of GG's dreams come true in I17 - truly "there's no place like comb" 
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If it hadn't alread been used I would have said Croatoa and Red Caps told us there's no place like Gnome.
*goes and sulks in the corner*
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Post-ED, there's no place like moan
But back to the sci-fi fantasy thing - I could see there might be some who'd have a problem if we were going back in tiem and fighing totally unrealted threats to the present day - but by making present day villains travel back in time, it helps keep the continuity of the larger battle.
If Nemesis went back to the Middle Ages, he'd be like a wizard-knight or an alchemist-knight to the people of that time - but for us, he'd still be the AV we've been fighing in the present.
If you take on time-travelling, dimension-hopping supervillains, you should be prepared fopr the fact that some of your fights may not take place in a modern-day Ameircan city
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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- X-Men's "Days of the Future past" one of the greatest sagas in Marvel mutant-verse. And it's repercussions are still rippling now several years later...
On the other hand, the line that distinguishes science-fiction and Fantasy is very thin and, on occasions, subjective. I say without shadow of doubt that the original Star Wars saga is more of a typical Fantasy story that a science-fiction one.
Burn me as an heretic, but it is.
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Ah yea forgot about on of the best x-men saga's!!!
I completely agree with the Star Wars comment too, probably one of the reasons I love Star Wars but not fussed about other big sci-fi titles.
@SkullFester
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On the other hand, the line that distinguishes science-fiction and Fantasy is very thin and, on occasions, subjective. I say without shadow of doubt that the original Star Wars saga is more of a typical Fantasy story that a science-fiction one.
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That's why it succeeded
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Yes it is a FORM of world PvP. you cant integrate the two communities and not expect some form of conflict (conflict between two playable character by definition = PvP).
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Thing is, the PvE majority outnumber the PvP minority. Another reason why I can't see such a thing happening. Not enough people PvP for the Devs to make this game World PvPish.
Oh, and when people do actually make threats that they'll quit the game, they're usually empty threats.
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If it hadn't alread been used I would have said Croatoa and Red Caps told us there's no place like Gnome.
*goes and sulks in the corner*
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Post-ED, there's no place like moan
But back to the sci-fi fantasy thing - I could see there might be some who'd have a problem if we were going back in tiem and fighing totally unrealted threats to the present day - but by making present day villains travel back in time, it helps keep the continuity of the larger battle.
If Nemesis went back to the Middle Ages, he'd be like a wizard-knight or an alchemist-knight to the people of that time - but for us, he'd still be the AV we've been fighing in the present.
If you take on time-travelling, dimension-hopping supervillains, you should be prepared fopr the fact that some of your fights may not take place in a modern-day Ameircan city
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Yea Kang travelled the boundries of time plenty and I kinda see him as nemesis (probably brothers) but I'm on the same wavelength prefer some sort of rich background story rather than "lets go back in time and stop the naughty black knight"...(if the naughty black night was black scorpion then fair do's).
@SkullFester
I'm not changing this signature until I'm proclaimed 'King of the World'.
1. the existence of magic would suggest fantasy
2. the number of sword wielding scrappers and hammer wielding tanks woudl also scream fantasy to me
3. the enemies such as red caps, tuatha de dannan and firbolg are definitely fantasy based.
4. being very much golden age and four colour influenced, time travel is a huge part of the genre of CoH (works of wells and verne were huge influences on classic hero storylines)
5. X-men : jean grey and scott summers went forward to an alternate time when apolacypse ruled. their sone Nate travelled back as did bishop and forge (or was that cable?). A huge part of x-men universe was the alternate timeline where magneto ran the x-men because of a time travelling mishap that resulted in xaviers death.
6. X-men and new mutants travelled to Asgard in the asgardian wars, which was very much fantasy based
dont know much about DC comics unfortunately.
However: the Authority have had time travel (midnighter goes to the future briefly)
basically to saythat time travel has no place in a superhero based game is imho wrong.
to say that CoH/CoV is sci-fi and not fantasy is also imho wrong.
just my .02 euro.
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If it hadn't alread been used I would have said Croatoa and Red Caps told us there's no place like Gnome.
*goes and sulks in the corner*
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Post-ED, there's no place like moan
But back to the sci-fi fantasy thing - I could see there might be some who'd have a problem if we were going back in tiem and fighing totally unrealted threats to the present day - but by making present day villains travel back in time, it helps keep the continuity of the larger battle.
If Nemesis went back to the Middle Ages, he'd be like a wizard-knight or an alchemist-knight to the people of that time - but for us, he'd still be the AV we've been fighing in the present.
If you take on time-travelling, dimension-hopping supervillains, you should be prepared fopr the fact that some of your fights may not take place in a modern-day Ameircan city
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Yea Kang travelled the boundries of time plenty and I kinda see him as nemesis (probably brothers) but I'm on the same wavelength prefer some sort of rich background story rather than "lets go back in time and stop the naughty black knight"...(if the naughty black night was black scorpion then fair do's).
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Yeah - it's like with Cimerora - as you play through the content, it links up more and more with our present day problems.
It's a more interesting way of telling a zone story than if we already know who the main enemy is.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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5. X-men : jean grey and scott summers went forward to an alternate time when apolacypse ruled. their sone Nate travelled back as did bishop and forge (or was that cable?). A huge part of x-men universe was the alternate timeline where magneto ran the x-men because of a time travelling mishap that resulted in xaviers death.
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Ah yea Bishop is from the future and so is Nate (Cable) which is mentioned plenty especially in the Cable and Deadpool series (who also time travels and goes back to spidey issue 1...I think)
Sorry to keep going on about time travel
@SkullFester
I'm not changing this signature until I'm proclaimed 'King of the World'.
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dont know much about DC comics unfortunately.
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Me neither, but I do know that Batman met Judge Dredd,and I'm fairly sure time travel was involved and not just Batman hanging around for long enough. 
Dredd's greatest villain (Judge Death) is a ghost - that's about as hard a mix of SF & Fantasy as you could wish to see.
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And don't forget, the costume creator has given us plenty of knights and witches and Egyptian priests and priestesses running around in a modern city - they must have gotten here somehow - it'd be nice forn them to visit home again
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Awww, fantasy creatures getting homesick? - theres no place like Gnome.