Like I said earlier, with no gender bias or any [censored] like that - A wizard did it.
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I think the word "angel" can cause problems sometimes, because people think of it as being about these guys with long hair and wings watching over and helping people - the word angel is linked in peoples minds to the idea of goodness and morality.
Rather than "angel", the word "spirit" might be better - Satan is a spirit, a divine power, a son/creation of God who turned to evil.
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Rather than "angel", the word "spirit" might be better - Satan is a spirit, a divine power, a son/creation of God who turned to evil.
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Yeah. Pretty much this. But what I was pointing to was the "Angels are sons of god, Satan is a fallen angel, thus Satan is Male" argument, which is flawed logic if Satan is "a fallen divine power"
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There are some other stuff in the bible which would suggest he's male (From top of my head what comes to mind is Satan tempting Jesus with the right to govern all the lands he can see from the mountaintop, with big J turning the offer down for the moment.
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Which is hilarious, as it is also mentioned that Satan cannot directly lie, only deceive. So, to offer the world, he must own it, making Hell on Earth correct as defined by The Bible 
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Yeah. Pretty much this. But what I was pointing to was the "Angels are sons of god, Satan is a fallen angel, thus Satan is Male" argument, which is flawed logic if Satan is "a fallen divine power"
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But divine power does = male - the whole setup is male until the creation of Eve.
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There are some other stuff in the bible which would suggest he's male (From top of my head what comes to mind is Satan tempting Jesus with the right to govern all the lands he can see from the mountaintop, with big J turning the offer down for the moment.
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Which is hilarious, as it is also mentioned that Satan cannot directly lie, only deceive. So, to offer the world, he must own it, making Hell on Earth correct as defined by The Bible
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Which sort of makes sense, if you read the "man" created in Genesis 1 as Satan (as an image of God himself, both male and female), who is given the lands to rule as he sees fit, and the Genesis 2 "man from dust" as the man that later turns into us.
This way, Satan really has dominion over all lands to rule as he sees fit, and actually had the power to turn that power to Jesus at the desert.
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But divine power does = male - the whole setup is male until the creation of Eve.
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Lilth?
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That's a later addition - plus, her story still says that she was created after Adam - the difference between her and Eve being that while Eve was created from Adam, Lilith was created in the same way as Adam.
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That's a later addition - plus, her story still says that she was created after Adam - the difference between her and Eve being that while Eve was created from Adam, Lilith was created in the same way as Adam.
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Depends quite a lot on which of the folk tales you're reading into. 
But ignoring Lilith (as she's a nice diversion while I read the English translation) sticking to the traditional English Bible (KJB, first I could find), Gen 1 has God creating man in his image as something with dominion over all he's made that has both the sexes in it.
Hardly "a whole male setup until Eve" even with just the basic books of the modern bible.
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Yadda yadda persecution, blah blah discrimination.
Oh hey, anyone catch the British Olympic team's scorechart? Two golds and a bronze - all won by women.
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Yadda yadda persecution, blah blah discrimination.
Oh hey, anyone catch the British Olympic team's scorechart? Two golds and a bronze - all won by women.
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Finns got a gold as well! By a woman, in skeet shooting or whatever it's called in English, non the less.
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Oh hey, anyone catch the British Olympic team's scorechart? Two golds and a bronze - all won by women.
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That's male persecution that is. I'm pretty sure someone will come up with a reason why shortly.
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Your logic is so bizarre it hurts.
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Maybe it's *dun dun dun* Women's Logic 
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Angels = male (male names, and called the Sons of God)
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Either way, they're still male - male angels give their names to human men, or human men give their names to male angels.
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Your logic is so bizarre it hurts.
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Maybe it's *dun dun dun* Women's Logic
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You're pretty talkative for a frog 
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Angels = male (male names, and called the Sons of God)
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Either way, they're still male - male angels give their names to human men, or human men give their names to male angels.
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Maybe it's *dun dun dun* Women's Logic
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You're pretty talkative for a frog
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*ribbit*
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Angels = male (male names, and called the Sons of God)
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Either way, they're still male - male angels give their names to human men, or human men give their names to male angels.
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So there's boy angels and girl angels? And hence baby angels, who they give bows and arrows to on the 14th of Febuary with orders to Go Hunt. Shoot Humans.
It all makes sense now.
I assume this is also why we have boy hurricanes and girl hurricanes. Although interestingly they were all girl hurricanes until a few years ago when the weather people started using male labels for them as well.
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Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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Either way, they're still male - male angels give their names to human men, or human men give their names to male angels.
[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, and if we name a ship after a woman that ship will be female, eh?
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In a symbolic way, yes - just like countries are usually thought of as being female.
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Either way, they're still male - male angels give their names to human men, or human men give their names to male angels.
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So there's boy angels and girl angels? And hence baby angels, who they give bows and arrows to on the 14th of Febuary with orders to Go Hunt. Shoot Humans.
It all makes sense now.
I assume this is also why we have boy hurricanes and girl hurricanes. Although interestingly they were all girl hurricanes until a few years ago when the weather people started using male labels for them as well.
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Well, female angels are never mentioned, and the only time angels are described as reproducing is when male angels married human women in Genesis - "son sof God" marrying "daughters of men".
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Angels = male (male names, and called the Sons of God)
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Either way, they're still male - male angels give their names to human men, or human men give their names to male angels.
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So there's boy angels and girl angels? And hence baby angels, who they give bows and arrows to on the 14th of Febuary with orders to Go Hunt. Shoot Humans.
It all makes sense now.
I assume this is also why we have boy hurricanes and girl hurricanes. Although interestingly they were all girl hurricanes until a few years ago when the weather people started using male labels for them as well.
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Well, female angels are never mentioned, and the only time angels are described as reproducing is when male angels married human women in Genesis - "son sof God" marrying "daughters of men".
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That's all very Zeus of them, flying down from heaven and stealing our wimmins! Did they pose as golden showers?
I'm beginning to think this Genesis thingy might have all been made up (or stolen off other religons). But why?
What would the churches have to gain from massive wealth and hordes of zealot believers hanging on their every word?
Back to the OP. The reason Cimorea doesn't count as time travel is because the Ouroborous portals came first, and forgot to count Cimorea as a way of unlocking the portals when they then added that.
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Going on a vague memory here, but isn't it in written in Revelations that the fallen are "Satan's Angels" (maybe something like "satan and his angels") or something to similar effect, separating Satan from the angels altogether.
There are some other stuff in the bible which would suggest he's male (From top of my head what comes to mind is Satan tempting Jesus with the right to govern all the lands he can see from the mountaintop, with big J turning the offer down for the moment, and then a while later when J talks to his disciples he says how "his father" has given him right to govern over the lands..), but the satan-is-an-angel thing has always been a bit of a stretch.
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